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[Nothing Whatsoever]

Looking forward to seeing the Battlemaster.

Found this neat pic, so thought I'd share here:

[Medi0cr3]

Anybody know when the limited offer ends? Or will they announce it?

[Medi0cr3]

Anybody know when the limited offer ends? Or will they announce it?

[SgtMagor]

Medi0cr3, on 16 August 2013 - 03:28 AM, said:

Anybody know when the limited offer ends? Or will they announce it?

offered ended for the 30 days xtra premium time july 25th! total was 120 days.

[Will9761]

Pendraco, on 08 August 2013 - 08:44 PM, said:

Each package comes with predetermined Mechs. If you want the Battlemaster you have to purchase the $80 package. But it's still a great deal! Here is a link to the details, it shows you which Mechs are included in each package. http://mwomercs.com/phoenix

I was referring to the other Macross unseen designs like the Warhammer, Rifleman, Marauder,etc. I already bought Project Phoenix already.

Edited by Will9761, 16 August 2013 - 06:07 AM.

[Xeno Phalcon]

Its funny how much trouble they have been able to put in front of the unseens, given ALOT of mechs in BT share traits taken right from those puppies.

Hell even now, if you snap the arms off a rifleman it could almost pass for a MWO Blackjack.



The bigger problem lies in not what we could get away with, but what we (We being PGI/IGN) are willing to financially fight for, even though HG wouldn't have a soap box to stand on if alex did his own take on the Unseens but HG would still try, likely costing time and funding to swat that annoying parasite.

A good example is the original MWO trailer with the Warhammer, to put all that work into creating it for the trailer then make zero mention of it (to the point we dont even see concept art) means HG popped their heads out of the trashcan, worse yet the big fishes adamantly deny anything occured which means they are still worried about legal repercussions so avoid anything that could be construed as slander.

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To reiterate, in the games current condition its not practical to beat down that dog yet, but should MWO rise enough to have the backing other "well off" f2p games then it might become financially prudent to rub HG into the ground, for that to happen however the money they would make off the reseens would need to trump the legal cost to make use of them.


Come to think of it, Project Phoenix could be construed as a testbed for such a scenario, food for thought.

[stjobe]

Xeno Phalcon, on 16 August 2013 - 06:23 AM, said:

A good example is the original MWO trailer with the Warhammer, to put all that work into creating it for the trailer then make zero mention of it (to the point we dont even see concept art) means HG popped their heads out of the trashcan, worse yet the big fishes adamantly deny anything occured which means they are still worried about legal repercussions so avoid anything that could be construed as slander.

It's a bit disingenuous to state that they "denied anything occurred" when it's even on MWO's wikipedia page:

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On September 3, 2009, shortly after posting preview videos and images of the game, IGN was issued a cease and desist order by Harmony Gold USA (owners of the Robotech franchise), citing copyright infringement. This was over the use of several ‘Mech designs allegedly based on mecha designs derived from the “Macross” series. Specifically, the trailer for MechWarrior featured the Warhammer, which is similar in design to the Destroid Tomahawk from the Macross and Robotech Series

It's more likely that they don't want to talk about it so as not to incur any more wrath from HG's rabid commando-trained attack lawyers of DOOM! (which seems to be HG's core competence these days - oh how I wish that company would burn...).

Either way, until HG dies the fiery death they so rightfully deserve, we're unlikely in the extreme to see any of the Unseen Macross designs.

Edited by stjobe, 16 August 2013 - 06:48 AM.

[Xeno Phalcon]

I never said specifically who denied it, not to mention citing a wiki page does little to shed light on the matter beyond what we already knew (from said wiki page, ironically).

Rather beyond whats been added to said wiki we know very little if anything, with the exception that HG didnt directly interact with PGI(at least thats what was said by one of the devs, but hell if I can find the actual reference to that statement), instead poking at IGN so its likely IGN may need to grow a spine on this one.

[Mason Grimm]

stjobe, on 16 August 2013 - 06:46 AM, said:

oh how I wish that company would burn...).

Get your match/lighters ready!!!

http://www.animenews...gement-over-toy

Harmony Gold is taking on Hasbro. You know the company that makes everything cool?

I have been eagerly following this. The last time HG did anything other than show up at a Con was in 2006 and even that I wouldn't call worthwhile. This year they put out Love Live Alive which is recycled trash as far as I am concerned. Then there is Shadow Rising which is listed as "Planned" but "Delayed" and has been for a while now.

If you read up on HG, in terms of their products, they are essentially squatting on an IP. They simply don't have the money to do anything with it. Now if you read up on their litigious side you will see they sue anyone and anything they can in an attempt to raise enough venture capital to do something with their IP.

Oh and that "Robotech Film" that we've all heard so much about? Been the talk around the Water Cooler since 2008. But wait, this very year "Leonardo DiCaprio has show interest in the upcoming big screen version of Robotech". There simply isnt enough vomit in my system to show my thoughts on that particular nugget.

Edited by Mason Grimm, 16 August 2013 - 07:13 AM.

[Belorion]

Do they seriously think they are going to win against Hasbro?

They may as well put Disney (I think they had some Warhammer looking thing on something) on their radar and really lose.

[Will9761]

Harmony Gold are a bunch of idiots who thinks that using lawsuits instead of reasonable marketing strategies would give them profit.

Pathetic...

Edited by Will9761, 16 August 2013 - 09:27 AM.

[Trifler]

The Marauder is the #1 thing I want now that this Phoenix package has been made. It's listed as Reseen on the Sarna wiki, so it should be legal. If there's still a problem with Harmony Gold, it's worth negotiating a license just for the rights to use that one mech in this game. Editing the look slightly is another option.

Edited by Trifler, 18 August 2013 - 06:22 PM.

[Belorion]

Trifler, on 18 August 2013 - 06:21 PM, said:

The Marauder is the #1 thing I want now that this Phoenix package has been made. It's listed as Reseen on the Sarna wiki, so it should be legal. If there's still a problem with Harmony Gold, it's worth negotiating a license just for the rights to use that one mech in this game. Editing the look slightly is another option.

Russ said it is highly unlikely that the Marauder will ever make it in, but never say never...

[DirePhoenix]

Trifler, on 18 August 2013 - 06:21 PM, said:

The Marauder is the #1 thing I want now that this Phoenix package has been made. It's listed as Reseen on the Sarna wiki, so it should be legal. If there's still a problem with Harmony Gold, it's worth negotiating a license just for the rights to use that one mech in this game. Editing the look slightly is another option.

There was never any issue with having a Marauder in any game. The issue with Harmony Gold lay entirely in the usage of art that they claim rights to.

Use new art and there is no issue with Harmony Gold. However, many of the "ReSeen" 'mechs in the Table Top game's "Technical Readout: Project Phoenix" (2003) never gained full acceptance from the community because 1) it wasn't the original art, and how dare anyone change the looks of our most sacred 'mechs, and 2) the art was actually pretty bad.

I mean they took the original Marauder art:



and turned it into this:



But I have confidence that MWO's art team can create new designs that don't infringe on the claimed artwork. I mean FD even managed to make this "ReSeen" Marauder look not so horrible:



So maybe it's not the design so much as the artist bringing it to life.

[Jesus Box]

Aniquilator6, on 17 July 2013 - 11:22 PM, said:

Yes, this person is complaining. But oh look! No founders tag. And even if he/she had one, it represents the opinion of one person.
Not all the founders.

Don't like the decisions they are making? Don't buy their stuff. Simple.

I actually have a 120 Founders on another name. I just don't post with it anymore. As for "not buying", that's exactly what I'm doing with Phoenix. Too bad I didn't know in advance for the first time though. Assuming you did want one; this one is much cheaper but with lot more Mechs. So ya, they ripped us off.

[Scarcer]

CRYTEK & AMD Project Phoenix?

What?

http://mycryengine.c...id=64&newsid=73

[BulletChief]

Scarcer, on 26 August 2013 - 08:32 PM, said:

CRYTEK & AMD Project Phoenix?

What?

http://mycryengine.c...id=64&newsid=73

not related

[Xeno Phalcon]

Hope hasbro bankrupts HG in legal fees, or at least keeps them so busy for the next decade they wont have time to pick on other companies.

[Hexenhammer]

Sue Hasbro. Sue HG. Going to sue LucasFilms as well? They sued FASA and over the word droid and that's why we have the word BattleMech. While everyone is living in the past Palladium games is laughing all the way to the bank with Robototech Tactics. http://www.kickstart...-rpg-tacticstm.

Oh! Palladium has had the rights to Robotech since 1986.

Edited by Hexenhammer, 27 August 2013 - 04:55 AM.

[Latorque]

No matter what is currently happening in regards to 3PV / gauss charge-up time and coming release, i would pay for a Marauder. God, i would pay hard! Unfortunately, the PP mechs don't pique my interest; but there are so many good redesigns close enough to the classic Macross-Marauder... *wipes foam from mouth*.

Edited by Latorque, 27 August 2013 - 06:12 AM.