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[Soy]

Really regret not using the James Earl Jones quote now in retrospect.

Villz, good comment ofc.

[PEEFsmash]

Bumpit Extreme

[Villz]

really sick video shows just what ppc's actually are.

[B0oN]

Remake the PPC into what it was in MW2 ... a deadly ball of pure energy, taking its time towards the enemy, always shimmering so beautifully, so mesmerizing.

"... and the PPC shall have it´s rightful place inside the horrifying arsenal of weaponry a Mech can wield, but I shall see to it that it won´t become your only weapon, for in uni-dimensionality shall lie doom, failure and immense HEAT which will scour your cockpit free of your insolence ! "

So it was spoken by Odin, the God of Thunder, and jest aside´n all he pretty much should know what he is talking about (inherent dangers) since you know, him being in the business of throwing lightning bolts .

Props for that eerie video, Soy.

[Ralgas]

The sad part is anything runs multiples of the effectively atm. Hell as much as everyone laughed at it i'm leveling my QD's with quad ppc builds atm, coz it's simply the fastest way to get the job done.

On the info side Rus did mention in the last ngng podcast they liked the idea of a 25% splash dmg they are looking at it....

[Nebelfeuer]

Nice vid and good shooting.
I wonder though, if people stopped making vids and threads about cheesbuilds, would people stop playing them so exessively..?

[StonedVet]

Ok so I watched .. am I impressed? not so much. 90% of that video is you using the almighty alpha strike and bam shutdown ... fire again .. bam shutdown. Skill is managing heat with max dps .. not how much dmg you can do in between shutdowns. Just wait until your mech starts melting. I don't mind PPC's but almost all boat builds I see have no clue how to use them without going alpha strike crazy. Nice vid and all but the only good shots I saw were the headshots brought upon by the almighty Alpha.

[stjobe]

Ralgas, on 02 July 2013 - 02:43 AM, said:

On the info side Rus did mention in the last ngng podcast they liked the idea of a 25% splash dmg they are looking at it....

You *know* how that will end up: PPCs doing 10 damage PLUS 2.5 splash damage to about four hit locations, effectively doubling the damage of the PPC.

No, what the PPC needs - like all the energy weapons - is for the heat system to be redesigned. The current heat system isn't offering the balancing factors that the TT heat system did, and energy weapons will *never* be balanced until it does.

[Roland]

Lowridah, on 02 July 2013 - 03:15 AM, said:

Ok so I watched .. am I impressed? not so much. 90% of that video is you using the almighty alpha strike and bam shutdown ... fire again .. bam shutdown.

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Skill is managing heat with max dps .. not how much dmg you can do in between shutdowns.

Shutting down every shot IS maximizing your damage output. You will do less damage from not shutting down. This is part of the problem. Unless you are facing a good team who will headshot you when you shut down, you are free to just fire alpha strikes all the time.

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I don't mind PPC's but almost all boat builds I see have no clue how to use them without going alpha strike crazy.

THAT IS HOW YOU USE THEM.

Periodically, I see folks chainfiring their weapons, seemingly for no reason. You are doing it wrong.
Generally, in Mechwarrior, you want to alphastrike most of the time, because that will let you get one shot kills on mechs.

[PanzerMagier]

It's kinda sad that gameplay balance has gone so far up s*** creek that someone had to go make a mentally disturbed video about it.

Hay PGI, you still think the current meta doesn't need much attention? That gameplay balance is great?

[El Bandito]

Soy, on 01 July 2013 - 11:11 PM, said:

Really regret not using the James Earl Jones quote now in retrospect. Villz, good comment ofc.

PEEFsmash, on 02 July 2013 - 01:05 AM, said:

Bumpit Extreme

Villz, on 02 July 2013 - 01:05 AM, said:

really sick video shows just what ppc's actually are.

Oh, its the poptart PPC trio. So you guys were group dropping. Had fun playing against you today.

Edited by El Bandito, 02 July 2013 - 06:07 AM.

[BlackIronTarkus]

Great video, I especialy love the idea of making the PPC something horrific, because it is in every sense. From a balance perspective to the havoc it can create on the battlefield in good hands.

It is so much easier to use than any other weapon its not even funny.

[Trauglodyte]

Until they fix heat and make it so that the concept of alpha nuking, shutting down, and rinsing and repeating gets fixed, this is what we're stuck with. Change the PPC and people will do it with Lrg Lasers. And so the meta keeps on rolling.

But, I offer two things out of respect for Conan:

1) http://video.adultsw...st-in-life.html

and

2) [Mongol General] Hao! Dai ye! We won again! This is good, but what is best in life?
[Mongol Peon 001] The open steppe, fleet horse, falcons at your wrist, and the wind in your hair.
[Mongol General] Wrong! Conan! What is best in life?
[Conan] To crush your enemies with PPCs, see them driven before your PPC boating mechs, and to hear the lamentation of their women after you use your PPCs!

[Hellcat420]

CROM!!!!!!!

[Soy]

Ralgas: yep
Roland: yep
Panzer: yep
Bandito: Villz and I were training PEEF on the ways of big mechs last night, dont mind us
BlackIronTarkus: yep

Edited by Soy, 02 July 2013 - 10:10 AM.

[Trauglodyte]

What are you when you don't run multiple PPCs? Dinner for wolves...

[Ningyo]

I would point out that while until heat/convergence are changed alpha strike pinpoint damage will still be an issue. BUT Large lasers have a huge disadvantage over PPCs that will make them never as dominant.

They have a beam duration, so if you overheat partway through firing they stop dealing damage unlike PPCs which frontload their damage so you can do that overheating alpha.

[Soy]

Ningyo, on 02 July 2013 - 11:18 AM, said:

I would point out that while until heat/convergence are changed alpha strike pinpoint damage will still be an issue. BUT Large lasers have a huge disadvantage over PPCs that will make them never as dominant.

They have a beam duration, so if you overheat partway through firing they stop dealing damage unlike PPCs which frontload their damage so you can do that overheating alpha.

Great point; yes, snap shotting and stuff has always been a smarter tactic than just staring at someone [ala LLs] and eating a core shot instead of soaking on arm after snap shotting.

[Trauglodyte]

Ningyo, on 02 July 2013 - 11:18 AM, said:

I would point out that while until heat/convergence are changed alpha strike pinpoint damage will still be an issue. BUT Large lasers have a huge disadvantage over PPCs that will make them never as dominant.

They have a beam duration, so if you overheat partway through firing they stop dealing damage unlike PPCs which frontload their damage so you can do that overheating alpha.

And that's what I said earlier. The benefit of PPCs is that all of the damage hits in one spot and there is nothing that you can do to avoid it. Large Lasers, on the other hand, can be mitigated by way of torso twisting and JJ use. On the other hand, PPCs can outright miss and often do on extremely fast targets while Lrg Lasers can be adjusted to get some damage on target. Each has its benefits but right now the PPC is the clear winner.

[xDeityx]

Lowridah, on 02 July 2013 - 03:15 AM, said:

Ok so I watched .. am I impressed? not so much. 90% of that video is you using the almighty alpha strike and bam shutdown ... fire again .. bam shutdown. Skill is managing heat with max dps .. not how much dmg you can do in between shutdowns. Just wait until your mech starts melting. I don't mind PPC's but almost all boat builds I see have no clue how to use them without going alpha strike crazy. Nice vid and all but the only good shots I saw were the headshots brought upon by the almighty Alpha.

You are confusing the way you (and I) want the game to be with the way it is.

Skill is using the most efficient means possible to secure a win.

In MechWarrior, that should be heat management etc. But the truth is that in MWO alpha striking and overheating will win you games. It's the best way to win right now.

We (those of on the forums pushing for this) are trying to change that dismal situation with balance suggestions from the guys who are spending lots of time competing in the game and breaking it, but we keep getting resistance from people who think that because the top guys are forced to use a PPC boat to compete that they therefore love PPC boating.