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[Appogee]

This is fine by me.

Smart marketing. If I wanted a Victor I could either pay for it now, or wait a couple of weeks. The choice would be mine.

If I were PGI I'd also have give a small discount off the MC price, just to give the sense of additional value for money. But that's just a tweak to a perfectly sound marketing idea.

[Vasces Diablo]

CapperDeluxe, on 09 July 2013 - 09:16 AM, said:

On that note, I just finished my Quickdraws, time for the Blackjack!

Just finished my Blackjacks, buckle up... It's rough.

[Gtbuck]

I really don't get some of the reaction here. I think some need to realize that Free to Play doesn't = PGI is a non profit charity. Every time they come up with a way to get a certain percentage of the community to spend money that doesn't create a P2W situation means a better chance that PGI will continue to work on the game. Just because someone is willing to pay real money to get a mech a week before me doesn't minimize my MWO experience. I think this is a very creative way to get folks to spend MC without hurting those that don't buy MC and personally wouldn't mind if they did this on every upcoming mech release. You guys with the pitchforks and torches can wake me up when there is a real P2W situation otherwise...nothing to see here. I will jump on the where is the july update bandwagon though.

[Appogee]

Where is Sarah's Jenner though? I thought the paperwork on that would be done by now?

[PropagandaWar]

I'd say great way to make money however I'm not buying the victor so meh. However it would be a good time to ask is the money machine the only thing we are seeing today, because I know we'll be seeing it Friday? All these promises yet no July Directors update, none of that CW stuff thats coming shortly. I know blah blah, blah shortly to you guys tends to be a 3 to 6 month period. I know you guys are in business to make money but start throwing us some real bones like CW info and rough drafts, Updates and all that fine garbage. Looks like you pushed out CW that was supposed to start with "tags" or what not till September/October so we kinda want to know what's up. I'm griping more about CW for friends than my own personal benifit because they seem ready to walk. Oh and fix SRM's should have been a hot fix today. So HA!

[New Day]

Bishop Steiner, on 09 July 2013 - 09:15 AM, said:

No offense, but your post is stupid and misleading bro. Seriously.

Nice contrast there. Bro.
And why is it? Because something like this but in lesser extent would be impossible. The only thing in this game that has been regular have been, sales, hero mechs, statues (etc.) and now early bird promotions (seriously, I mean they release the hero early, but now the cbill variants themselves). I wouldn't mind any of this if they made some actual progress on the game.

[Jack Lowe]

Excellent idea, love what you did here PGI. It does put me to a rather hard choice as I was wanting to try out the victor. It's another of my favorites. In the end you'll probably wind u getting a bit of MC outta me. Good call, like how you went about this hope to this becomes more of a standard way of introducing mechs in the future.

[Kraven Kor]

NamesAreStupid, on 09 July 2013 - 09:23 AM, said:

And why is it? Because something like this but in lesser extent would be impossible. The only thing in this game that has been regular have been, sales, hero mechs, statues (etc.) and now early bird promotions (seriously, I mean they release the hero early, but now the cbill variants themselves). I wouldn't mind any of this if they made some actual progress on the game.

I can agree with that, at the least.

[Zechs Raines]

Noonan, on 09 July 2013 - 08:26 AM, said:

This is called alienating your customers PGI. My reward for playing your game a lot and accumulating Cbills is to get to wait to drive a mech others are getting early? I guess the tons of money I have already spent are not enough?

This might just be the end for my giving PGI any more money. Ever.

The "tons of money you already spent" got you other rewards which you're currently benefiting from. Cbills do not translate to RL money no matter how many you have.

If you're ready to quit the game over having to wait 1 extra week for the Victor variants there's probably no reason for you to still be playing anyway.

[Cubivorre]

Cashgrab much, PGI?

[JeremyCrow]

Nothing wrong against this or any sale. I don't consider them P2W (people who say otherwise don't know what the expression means).
However, I don't understand that there's not a single word to explain why there's no CDU for July and absolutely no word to your community on what's going on.
You need to improve your communication fast!

[Bishop Steiner]

NamesAreStupid, on 09 July 2013 - 09:23 AM, said:

Nice contrast there. Bro.
And why is it? Because something like this but in lesser extent would be impossible. The only thing in this game that has been regular have been, sales, hero mechs, statues (etc.) and now early bird promotions (seriously, I mean they release the hero early, but now the cbill variants themselves). I wouldn't mind any of this if they made some actual progress on the game.

I get the frustration, but one has nothing to do with the other. I also generally respect, even if I don't always agree with your posts, so this is not a personal attack on you.

The degree of hyperbole in your comment is nuts, especially since there ever has been any pay to play aspect. So to post it the way you did, was such a gross exaggeration as to have no basis in anything remotely factual, and basically is just alarmist.

It IS a perfectly sound business move, that in no way impacts the wallets of ANYONE who doesn't want to buy it. In fact the only way they could have made a SMARTER move would be to have them at a 25% discount to convince the fence sitters, because believe it or not, agree with it or not, there are and have been for every single chassis, those who buy them with MC when they first come out. (I might not see the point, but in reality I have spent more on a single night for a bad date and a bad movie. So at least with these you get hopefully a few more hours of enjoyment)

So to go Chicken Little and scream the "Sky is falling" and make some hugely unrelated comparison, is just, in a word, kinda dumb.

Sorry, dude. (And this is coming from someone who has made dumb statements, overreacted and just gotten things wrong himself)

[KableGuy]

JeremyCrow, on 09 July 2013 - 09:30 AM, said:

Nothing wrong against this or any sale. I don't consider them P2W (people who say otherwise don't know what the expression means).
However, I don't understand that there's not a single word to explain why there's no CDU for July and absolutely no word to your community on what's going on.
You need to improve your communication fast!

Yea, What he said. Seriously Where the hell is the July CDU ?!

[GrandKlaive]

This is crap PGI seriously you have never done this with any other Mech release. You are only giving credence to those saying pay to win I buy all my mechs with CBills, except heroes, and that is fine. People have been saving CBills for these mechs like every other release and you pull this kinda crap. I have put up with all the other changes that I have disagreed with in the game, and haven't said anything. This is just wrong mechs are released once a month and for you guys to play tricks like this is a bunch of bull@#$%, and you know it. Business is Business but its bad enough gamers have to put up with dual ac/20 and dual gauss mech builds in game, and its hard to do a single drop without one. Or the ERPPC or PPC builds that can destroy in one or two volleys, unless missile boats are helping. I understand that I am crying if say something about these builds that are not in any of the battletech books. I will keep playing on the field because I know I can use my designs to gets some kills and wins, my KDR is .48 and dropping. The only way to get it up is by staying alive with these builds running around, especially when playing my commando, but I do it because I enjoy the game. I have thought of posting ideas like making these builds move slower because of the weight of the weapons they carry, would bear down on the engines power but know I wouls be ripped to shreds in forums suggesting such things. So this one thing of not messing with releasing the new mech one week prior for people to buy for MC is just a small little thing to ask of a gamer who enjoys your game, just release the mechs for MC and CBills at the same time like always. Thank You!

[Doktor Kloetenstein]

Qualtain, on 09 July 2013 - 09:19 AM, said:

Welcome to F2P be patient and spend nothing or be impatient and spend money. And designing and releasing mechs/map/modes are probably done by completely different teams of people, therefore them releasing a mech has nothing to do with game modes for sure and maybe maps.

That would explain why it is taking so long. What is the teams strength again? About 40 people? So 10 working on maps and improvements and 30 working on mechs.

Haha. Well, actually I don't give a ***** really. It's done when it's done. Interestingly I found out that five short games of three minutes net more c-bill than a full regular match trying to cap and such. KAMIKAZE for the win. Who needs grand strategies in these stunted game modes eh? Well, I am Kuritan after all... In the long run this won't be enough. And just squeezing these modes into CW won't do either. But we just have to wait and see how the magical different teams talents work out won't we?

Focus Fire!

[Jess Hazen]

CapperDeluxe, on 09 July 2013 - 09:16 AM, said:

why would they discount when the special here is getting it a week early? Do they give a discount in the first week of selling xbox and playstations? hell no, people pay full price for that stuff!


On that note, I just finished my Quickdraws, time for the Blackjack!

If you think that simply enabling a server side patch/release one week early for a standard variant to be purchased for MC is going to be convicing enough for me to buy it you are sorely mistaken.

Edited by Jess Hazen, 09 July 2013 - 09:37 AM.

[PhoenixFire55]

Bishop Steiner, on 09 July 2013 - 09:07 AM, said:

It's only a scam if they are being dishonest.

They are putting it in big text, right up front: HEY, if you are too impatient for the Victor to wait a week to get them for FREE, we have them here for you MC guys.

Nothing hidden, nothing shady, no special bonuses, just access one week early to something we ALL get access to fro free in a week.

With your grasp on marketing, you ought to work for the US Gov't.

Using peoples weakness (be it stupidity or impatience) is scam. End of story.

[KitK]

LOL and pop the corn 'cause the Sour Grape Show is in town again!

Alienation: wow that a big social science word. I suppose its definition technically fits the gripe, but it is usually used to describe situations of slightly more serious importance. I think "disgruntlement" is probably a more appropriate word choice. But hey, congrats on putting forth the most hyperbolic statement I've read so far in this thread.

Scam, money grab, P2W, that evil money thing PGI does that is so oppressive: some jokes are so good they just never get old no mater how many times you hear/read them. Of course you realize that joke is about how obviously and completely ignorant the poster appears to be, not about PGI's business model. Just sayin'...

EDIT: Oops forgot one. You purchase game content, you don't "invest." Sure sometimes we use the word "invest" to describe something we spent time/money on because that something is important to us or has been costly. But we are consumers, not stake holding investors. It would probably be a good idea for a number of posters to spend some time wrapping their head around the difference.

o7 to PGI for doing what many a forum poster has demanded - getting their business model moving in a postive direction.

o7 to everyone whose posted here who has either posted positively or at least been objective in their criticism.

Edited by KitK, 09 July 2013 - 09:49 AM.

[Savageson]

You know...I honestly just don't get this one. It just seems like a lot of effort for really nothing special? Maybe you could elite out the victor in a week but that would mean buying three of them right? I don't really see how this is really worth anything with out a MC discount or really any bonus other then just one week of leveling. Which does not give you any advantage over other assaults?

For MC price point to buy all three would take about 9000 MC. Trade one out for say a dragon slayer and you end up at 12000. Which means to get I guess the max possible benefit for this week of extra victor time your running close to 50 bucks. Or even 15 bucks for one week of base pilot efficency victor at 3000 MC for all but the 9k. The 9k at 3085 MC to purchase would push us into the 30 dollar package bracket for MC with 3415 left over.

I mean I just don't really get it. You would have to be one hell of a whale to dive in on something small like this at damn the near the full cost of getting the project phoenix package which right now gets you 12 mechs and 120 days of premium time even if it does come out all the way in October. The marketing seems kind of inconsistent with its pricing ideas.

One other side thing on this. Looking at the dragon slayer and its c-bill bonus. Comparing it to the 9k how much of the MC cost is related to the 30% C-bill bonus. In the slayer you pick up that expensive xl engine and doubles saving a large amount C-bills there. They both share endo and guass as the expensive on mech items.

The K does have 2 more jump jet slots thou!

Yet it seems like if you were gonna spend MC you might as well just buy the dragon slayer and C-bill it up leveling her and then just purchase the other 2 straight and using your old collection of items to kit them out. I hardly play any more and I'm still sitting on 6 mill with a garage full of goodies. It would not take me long after buying a dragon slayer for example and just selling mechs I don't like or all my extra Guass rifles to double and endo the low tech versions. If you even bother with that. It does not take much to basic a mech.

Edited by Savageson, 09 July 2013 - 09:42 AM.

[Rhaythe]

What...?! Real money for standard variants early?! This is an.... actually, I have no rage about this whatsoever. This seems just fine to me, and a good way for a company to make money on a game without going pay-2-win. Kudos.