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[Skadi]

Bishop Steiner, on 09 July 2013 - 11:00 AM, said:

then don't pilot fast Assault dawg! Can't blame PGI for the Victor's design. Not all of us pilot aimbot Stalkers and Atlases!

Sir, I will have you know I pilot the classiest of all classy mechs.
Also it only goes fast with a semi viable build using a XL, which is a nono to me, a big one at that.
(some people don't miss, and when we see something big going fast with more than a mediums loudout, we know exactly where to shoot, and we wont miss it on that huge target, despite 80+kph, see the awesome for reference.)

Like I said awile back, unless they upped the hardpoints, gave us the 9A, or the victor li, there would be nothing special to see here besides a new model, and sadly I was correct on that, RIP potential new and great mech, hello wannabe highlander.

Edited by Skadi, 09 July 2013 - 11:04 AM.

[Mason Grimm]

JeremyCrow, on 09 July 2013 - 10:55 AM, said:

Actually, lots of people complained about sensible stuff like the utter lack of communication from PGI about what's up with this game and why no July CDU was not released without any explantion, but I don't see you commenting about that.

I'm not commenting about that because it isn't relative to this thread. This thread is about the Victor battlemechs, not about the July Directors update or the info on CW and things like that. I suppose you can't please everyone and I do realize that some people have lives that revolve around this game however mine doesn't. If their July update comes at SOME POINT in July then I'm happy. If they are a day or 5 late? Big deal. I don't mind. My universe isn't so small that I need to fixate on these things.

Peace, Love, Go with the Flow and all that jazz.

[Bishop Steiner]

John McFianna, on 09 July 2013 - 10:55 AM, said:

For the protocol.. my MISC Freelancer is already waiting.


@Topic: i dunno, feels like a quick cashgrab.

I brought the Dragonslayer, but looking at those variants.... I definitely feel the variants are boring. 1 big ballistic arm, 1 big Energy arm, and Missiles in the torso.. other Torso stays barren (only the Dragonslayer has 2 Energy Hardpoints there) some variants on the number of hardpoints, onr with 2 more possible jets.. but nothing spectacular... compaared to, say, the variants of a Trebuchet or Hunchback... i dont want to call it lazy...but meh.

Not a lot of choice available on the Chassis, unfortunately. The 9A is one of the only to break the mold, and TBH, it was probably the smartest thing they could have done to NOT introduce it, at least not in the current Metarape environment.

The forum QQing would be off the charts, and the Metarape just as severe, sadly. Also remember, the stock units are not PGI designed so there are some limits, there.

PhoenixFire55, on 09 July 2013 - 11:01 AM, said:

So you make 5 posts in this topic alone just to tell me how stupid I am. Now whos a troll really?

I just voiced my opinion. You can buy whatever you want but don't run crying when they take all your money and close shop this winter.

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Edited by Destined, 09 July 2013 - 01:47 PM.
unconstructive and insulting

[Bilbo]

Barantor, on 09 July 2013 - 10:38 AM, said:

I think it is a bit of confusion. Yes this isn't done by the folks working to fix the game, but when there are large releases of sales and content and little to show for the content that was promised and slowness fixing the game that is available then people become frustrated. If a company showed you some new package for mowing your lawn, but didn't show that they hadn't fixed their dull mower blades that make your lawn look like trash then you would be just as upset. I don't care if there are new mechs, I would rather have the mechs I currently have play in a game that is more balanced or at least hear about said balances and content in detail.

I for one will not be spending any money on this game until I can see justifiable change in the game balancing and actual screenshots, video, etc of what community warfare actually is going to look like. I vote with my wallet and these sales don't make that come out of my pocket.

Understandable. I'd rather they kept the content that they can flowing while they work on the rest.

[KitK]

JeremyCrow, on 09 July 2013 - 10:55 AM, said:

Actually, lots of people complained about sensible stuff like the utter lack of communication from PGI about what's up with this game and why no July CDU was not released without any explantion, but I don't see you commenting about that.

I can't speak for a Mod, but if I were to guess, it might be because those things are technically off topic and if anything the Mod should be jettisoning them as such.

[BlackBeltJones]

This game is pretty much click 'Launch' and try not to be the weak link on the team. Even if one could buy supremely and objectively better gear or mechs the team element dilutes an individual contribution so much that I don't even think P2W is possible. One could argue that all things not available with in-game currency can lead to a P2W scenario but I honestly think that, despite the huge problems with game mechanics, there are too many individual factors presented by each team member to allow any one Mech to reign supreme.

Edited by BlackBeltJones, 09 July 2013 - 11:09 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Skadi, on 09 July 2013 - 11:02 AM, said:

Sir, I will have you know I pilot the classiest of all classy mechs.
Also it only goes fast with a semi viable build using a XL, which is a nono to me, a big one at that.
(some people don't miss, and when we see something big going fast with more than a mediums loudout, we know exactly where to shoot, and we wont miss it on that huge target, despite 80+kph, see the awesome for reference.)

Like I said awile back, unless they upped the hardpoints, gave us the 9A, or the victor li, there would be nothing special to see here besides a new model, and sadly I was correct on that, RIP potential new and great mech, hello wannabe highlander.

well, if you haven't seen my reasoning against the 9A (which I freely admit I woulda drove the heck outta), they are in this thread.

[Jabilo]

Good move.

This game needs money to keep going so we can all enjoy it.

Would you rather have this or golden ammo?

If you do not want to pay, be grateful others do so you can enjoy the game.

Anything that raises money without being linked directly to game balance is a good thing for everyone.

[Skadi]

Bishop Steiner, on 09 July 2013 - 11:10 AM, said:

well, if you haven't seen my reasoning against the 9A (which I freely admit I woulda drove the heck outta), they are in this thread.

Then, since I know you are a reasonable person and enjoy a good conversation, I will give you a reason FOR the 9A, or multiple.

It would usher in a new assault, one that doesn't rely on broken SRM's for damage in a brawl.
It would allow PGI to get a look at how dual AC20 assaults would affect mwo while were still in beta, instead of waiting till mid launch to chunk one in and watch the chaos (many people forget what beta meens)

The multiple 20 assault cant be avoided forever, when clans hit nearly every assault and heavy can boat >UAC< 20's, you realy want pgi just to "KERPLOP, HERE HAVE A DIRE WOLF, BTW IT CAN MOUNT 4 UAC20'S" imagine the havok THEN, when they have 0 knowledge of how to balance that amount of power on such a massive chassi.

[impar]

Elspath, on 09 July 2013 - 08:57 AM, said:

if you can buy something that gives you a edge (even if its flawed and might not work like some victors are) then its payed to win. Look it up

Since when are Victors an "edge"? Still inferior to the Stalker, the number 1 assault mech.

[Catnap]

This kind of deals should by default be bundled with premium time, so they'd actually make some sense.

[Skadi]

Elspath, on 09 July 2013 - 08:57 AM, said:

if you can buy something that gives you a edge (even if its flawed and might not work like some victors are) then its payed to win. Look it up

the victor is currently a pile of rubbish, you are buying a inferior, wannabe, poor mans highlander, there is nothing advantageous about that.

[Cubivorre]

Appogee, on 09 July 2013 - 10:46 AM, said:

You have already paid more than the price of two box retail games, for a game that's not even in Alpha yet. And you are contemplating paying $120 more for the Freelancer.

You my friend are the definition of a whale.

Now, those guys spending in the thousands of dollars...? They are Kracken. Or maybe crackheads.

We aren't paying for the game.. We're pledging to it's development. I would have donated the money to their project without receiving anything. It's just nice to get something anyway.

[Coryphee]

PhoenixFire55, on 09 July 2013 - 08:48 AM, said:

Keep scamming money out of people PGI and game will die within a year.

No more comment, it's just sadly true...

[Rhaythe]

As someone that generally avoids the forum but got sucked into today... 'the heck is QQ?

[Viper69]

Appogee, on 09 July 2013 - 10:46 AM, said:

You have already paid more than the price of two box retail games, for a game that's not even in Alpha yet. And you are contemplating paying $120 more for the Freelancer.

You my friend are the definition of a whale.

Now, those guys spending in the thousands of dollars...? They are Kracken. Or maybe crackheads.

You dont think people thought the same of us founders for spending 120 bucks on a game we couldnt touch yet? If having faith in something and supporting it gives me a whale title so be it. But I guarantee there are some people who spent more than a thousand dollars on this game as well. If you love something there should be no shame in supporting what you love. If you love something and dont support it that to me is more shameful.

[Cubivorre]

Bishop Steiner, on 09 July 2013 - 11:19 AM, said:

Lots of words in posts with no real meaning to continue flame war

[Bunko]

The Mad PGI Scientists are doing Marketing Experiments again!

[Bishop Steiner]

Skadi, on 09 July 2013 - 11:16 AM, said:

Then, since I know you are a reasonable person and enjoy a good conversation, I will give you a reason FOR the 9A, or multiple.

It would usher in a new assault, one that doesn't rely on broken SRM's for damage in a brawl.
It would allow PGI to get a look at how dual AC20 assaults would affect mwo while were still in beta, instead of waiting till mid launch to chunk one in and watch the chaos (many people forget what beta meens)

The multiple 20 assault cant be avoided forever, when clans hit nearly every assault and heavy can boat >UAC< 20's, you realy want pgi just to "KERPLOP, HERE HAVE A DIRE WOLF, BTW IT CAN MOUNT 4 UAC20'S" imagine the havok THEN, when they have 0 knowledge of how to balance that amount of power on such a massive chassi.

but we all know all it will really do is encourage more dual and triple Gauss snipers, with PPC support.

The sad truth is, most of the "pros" and self proclaimed High ELO players are just serial MEtarapists, and piloting a mech that takes any vestige of skill is "P2L" and handicapping your team, bro!

As said, I would LOVE JJs and Dual AC/20. Though the reality is, as brawler you got limited viability, since you need a standard engine to make it work. So with Endo, 10 DHS, you just free up 14 tons, not enough for ammo, let alone fixing the armor. So slower engine, even less viable build (drop the JJs, and run a bigger Jager)

Only really viable (not optimal, just viable) would be a trip-UAC (already plenty of those around, just without JJ) which has potential, trip Gauss (maybe, still have to do the math on that) or supporting the ac/20 or Gauss RA with ac/2s or UACs.

Most of which in no way change the meta, from my perspective.

[Appogee]

Viper69, on 09 July 2013 - 11:23 AM, said:

You dont think people thought the same of us founders for spending 120 bucks on a game we couldnt touch yet? If having faith in something and supporting it gives me a whale title so be it. But I guarantee there are some people who spent more than a thousand dollars on this game as well. If you love something there should be no shame in supporting what you love. If you love something and dont support it that to me is more shameful.

Dunno what ''people'' thought, but I thought $120 was a reasonable gamble on an IP that I want to survive. I'd have bought one myself if I'd have been paying more attention to the launch etc. As it is, I think I've spent a couple of hundred dollars on MWO. which isn't a bad investment given I've played it three hours a day on average for four months.

You seem to think it's an insult to be called a whale. I don't intend it that way. I agree that if you love something then spending money on it for the enjoyment it gives you makes sense. ''Whale'' is just a descriptive name, not an insult.

If you go back to the original point I was making, it was that the Star Citizen whales are paying huge amounts of cash for very little content, compared to boxed games or even other F2P games. My concern is that they are driving up the F2P ''economy'' for the rest of us for new F2P games for years to come.

Incidentally, I spent $130 on the Freelancer package because it was the cheapest two-seater, which means I can pilot it with my son. But that's as much as I'm spending on SC until the game gets to Alpha. However, if SC do what MWO has done, and let me buy ''CBill accelerator ships'' at a reasonable cost, then I might buy one of those at Alpha. However, the amounts they are charging for just basic ships, I shudder to think what they'd want to charge for a Hero ship.

Edited by Appogee, 09 July 2013 - 11:34 AM.