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[East Indy]

Lykaon's correct. The only reason players stack weapons is to circumvent the spirit of the game and quickly down targets.

Why not just go to the root, since the proposed change is designer's discretion, anyway? No need to be fancy at this point.

1) Restrict damage dealt by direct weapons through groups or within 0.5 seconds to 20.

2) Restrict SRMs to 3 SRM-6s or 4 of any other type.

3) Restrict damage dealt by LRMs through groups or within 0.5 seconds to 40.

4) Count SRM-6 as 5 damage, other SRMs as 3.75 for mixed groups with direct weapons.

Impute it to a targeting computer circuit, or something.

[Chavette]

Its been 2ppc+gauss all the way before the highlander patch, and no one was complaining. Relax.

[Livewyr]

Sybreed, on 11 July 2013 - 01:23 PM, said:

the real culprit, the real villain that is making balance impossible is convergence.

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[IceSerpent]

Unbound Inferno, on 11 July 2013 - 02:04 PM, said:

Get a clue please?

35 Damage still means you core any mech in 3 shots or less.

Enshrined for eternity.

[Lootee]

Maybe they need to start putting all the weapons into different categories:

Heavy Primary - you can only fire 1 of these and nothing else every .5sec -> gauss, AC/20, heavy gauss, heavy PPC, LB20X

Medium Primary - you can fire up to 2 of these -> (ER) large laser, LB10X, AC/10, AC/5, light gauss, LRM20, LRM15, SRM6, PPC, ERPPC

Light Primary - up to 4 of these - AC/2, LB2X, UAC/2, LRM10, LRM5, SRM4

Secondary - up to 6 of these - medium laser, small pulse laser, medium pulse laser (these are DOTs so a higher # is probably ok)

Tertiary - fire as many as you want as fast as you want - machinegun, flamer, NARC, TAG

Dunno, whatever. I don't see much changing if people just switch over to 2 PPC + a gauss and keep the instant damage alpha strike mentality going.

Edited by PanchoTortilla, 11 July 2013 - 02:47 PM.

[NRP]

I couldn't care less about PPCs. What I don't get is why 6 MLs (30 dmg) incur no heat penalty but 3 LLs (27 dmg) will.

[Steel Claws]

NRP, on 11 July 2013 - 02:43 PM, said:

I couldn't care less about PPCs. What I don't get is why 6 MLs (30 dmg) incur no heat penalty but 3 LLs (27 dmg) will.

Yeah I think 3 LL should be OK as well.

[Lootee]

NRP, on 11 July 2013 - 02:43 PM, said:

I couldn't care less about PPCs. What I don't get is why 6 MLs (30 dmg) incur no heat penalty but 3 LLs (27 dmg) will.

Good point. Dunno, they are both DOT weapons. Is it because of the range difference? Or maybe it's just completely arbitrary.

[Helbrecht]

Unbound Inferno, on 11 July 2013 - 02:13 PM, said:

Wouldn't need any standing. Have a 4-man run with it odds are 2 or 3 will shoot you on sight - dead. Not a very fun match.

my god what a earth shattering assesment in a team based game the better team coordination wins. well kiss my ^#@& who the &^*# knew that. I swear to god this community is full of degenerate ******* bent on the complete and total dumbing down of this game.

[XFactor777]

Unbound Inferno, on 11 July 2013 - 02:04 PM, said:

Get a clue please?

35 Damage still means you core any mech in 3 shots or less.

You are an ***** the only mechs that will core in 3 shots are meds and lower it will strip armor and a lot of the internals but it will not core "ANY" mech just light and meds, hell it wont even take all the armor off my atlas or a highlander it barely strips an awesome.

[Sybreed]

PanchoTortilla, on 11 July 2013 - 02:50 PM, said:

Good point. Dunno, they are both DOT weapons. Is it because of the range difference? Or maybe it's just completely arbitrary.

I'd go with the latter

[SilentWolff]

Quit cryin about convergence. It isnt going to change, nor should it. If you cant figure out how to aim, go find another game to play.

[Flak Kannon]

No, it will be the 2 LL, 2PPC boats firing in Alpha shots.

Same thing, just longer 'hold reticle on target' times.

Or 3 PPC's bursts instead of 4. The heat will be higher, but not lethal, and it will still hurl 30 point alphas.

I already see a loophole, I'll not share here. You all will figure it out, if you haven't already.

Alpha warfare will not be going away....

[LoveLost85]

there is no meta. does anyone even know what that word means?

[Sybreed]

LoveLost85, on 11 July 2013 - 03:17 PM, said:

there is no meta. does anyone even know what that word means?

it's a word that means what is generally turning the game into a boring routine

[LoveLost85]

Sybreed, on 11 July 2013 - 03:20 PM, said:

it's a word that means what is generally turning the game into a boring routine

lol, great answer! but in fact, the boring routine comes from a LACK of metagame. edit: still like your answer btw

Edited by LoveLost85, 11 July 2013 - 03:25 PM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Flak Kannon, on 11 July 2013 - 03:15 PM, said:

Or 3 PPC's bursts instead of 4. The heat will be higher, but not lethal, and it will still hurl 30 point alphas.

You mean like an Awesome? Sorry man but 30 damage IS SUPPOSED TO HURT YOU!!! But add a small cone of fire for less Convergence!

[Fulcrom Kerensky]

There is a growing disease in this community. It's called the "I don't suck because" disease.

[Joseph Mallan]

Fulcrom Kerensky, on 11 July 2013 - 03:32 PM, said:

There is a growing long standing disease in this community. It's called the "I don't suck because" disease.

Fixed that for you.

[Splitpin]

So a Hunchi can have 30 point 6xML alpha, yet a Awesome can't handle a 3xPPC alpha, huh ? And the Awesome being a mech specifically built to be an energy platform. It's just not logical captain. But it is the sort of nonsense you end up with sticking arbitrary patches on top of a dubious system. Surely we can do better than that.