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[xDeityx]

Die Primate Die, on 18 July 2013 - 07:04 AM, said:

My friend and our unit founder, Narcoman played my mechs to see if i was exaggerating.

I'm not sure about MWO but most online games make you agree in your EULA not to share your account information or let other people play your account. It's not a big deal and I doubt PGI cares too much but you might want to avoid admitting to it publicly on the forums.

[Lugh]

Die Primate Die, on 18 July 2013 - 05:57 AM, said:

I am cursed to be in the lowest of the low in ELO. I have just lost 29 straight matches in my Misery. We either lose 8-0 or I get the only kills minus the steals the short bus janitors take from me. Twenty Nine straight losses. I spectate, only to see these people stand still while being gunned down, spinning in circles while missing all their shots by 6 feet or ignoring / heckling any polite direction they are given. My only hope is to miraculously win 200 matches, so it appears I will be stuck in this herpa derp bracket for as long as I continue to play this game and losing every match BADLY is not fun. Not one bit. I paid for PP like a chump, and I really don't know what to do if this is to be my future....I only solo drop because my weird hours curtail my ability to drop in with my unit members. How do I keep playing when I'm doomed to be on "teams" of people who shoot LRMs at targets eleven meters away from them while never moving? Every match is a heartbreaker in a game I want so desperately to fall in love with again. But it's starting to feel more like battered spouse syndrome! HELP!!!!! ***Edited for typos, as usual.

I'd state you aren't losing badly if you are still performing well even in the losses.

[Leafia Barrett]

Lugh, on 18 July 2013 - 08:08 AM, said:

I'd state you aren't losing badly if you are still performing well even in the losses.

When his team gets swept, it doesn't matter how well he did alone.

[Shadey99]

I PUG because I come on at random times and don't really have the option of listening to people talking (no headset, have to keep the volume low).

I've had crazy matches in my Cicadas, where I have scored as high as 800 damage with 4 kills/4 assists and carried my team who couldn't score above 150 damage to save their own lives.

Or the conquest match where my team was all heavies and assaults except my X-5 and I claimed all but theta on Tourmaline(sp?). My team lost 7 for 3 of theirs and I won the game by holding 2 caps by myself solo for a points win by 10 points.

Then I have games were even though I was playing great (400 damage+) my team can't get it's act together and they leave me to die a horrible painful death or worse I encounter a team that keeps everyone (including me) from scoring even 100 damage against them. The later is often from crazy rushes with fast heavies backed up by sniper assaults or ambushes using multiple ECM to hide their forces. They obviously aren't in what should be the same ELO as the other side and on occasion have even openly stated they were premade 8s... against random PUGs...

The only thing consistent is that the match making system tries very very hard to keep me @ 1/1 for w/l.

[Middcore]

If you are truly in such a low ELO bracket, then it stands to reason your opponents should be just as unskilled as your teammates, does it not?

[Nicholas Carlyle]

Gaslight, on 18 July 2013 - 08:21 AM, said:

If you are truly in such a low ELO bracket, then it stands to reason your opponents should be just as unskilled as your teammates, does it not?

That would make sense right?

But the matchmaker sucks and it doesn't work that way.

[hammerreborn]

Twisted Power, on 18 July 2013 - 06:28 AM, said:

ELO should also be match score based. I've been saying that forever. I can show you a few screen shots where my match score was the highest in the game but my team lost. Why should my ELO go down for doing well even though my team lost?

Because if I capture the base and win you all get a bump in Elo for my work while I get zilch for payout and match score.

[DeathlyEyes]

The ELO ranking system works like this I think. It assigns a value to each player, then using some sorta algorithm it tries to make each team have equal ELO rank total values. So what happens is 4 players that have never won a game in their life end up with 3 average players and a really good player. This team is then matched against a team that has 8 average players on it and that one really good player cannot make up for the 4 players on his team that have no idea what they are doing. This continues until the really good player's elo is ruined and he is thrown in with average players against a "really good player."

[ZonbiBadger]

Die Primate Die, on 18 July 2013 - 05:57 AM, said:

I am cursed to be in the lowest of the low in ELO.

I have just lost 29 straight matches in my Misery. We either lose 8-0 or I get the only kills minus the steals the short bus janitors take from me.

Twenty Nine straight losses.

I spectate, only to see these people stand still while being gunned down, spinning in circles while missing all their shots by 6 feet or ignoring / heckling any polite direction they are given.

My only hope is to miraculously win 200 matches, so it appears I will be stuck in this herpa derp bracket for as long as I continue to play this game and losing every match BADLY is not fun.

Not one bit.

I paid for PP like a chump, and I really don't know what to do if this is to be my future....I only solo drop because my weird hours curtail my ability to drop in with my unit members.

How do I keep playing when I'm doomed to be on "teams" of people who shoot LRMs at targets eleven meters away from them while never moving? Every match is a heartbreaker in a game I want so desperately to fall in love with again.

But it's starting to feel more like battered spouse syndrome!

HELP!!!!!




***Edited for typos, as usual.

Hey if you want to join us at St. Ives ts server you are welcome to. We will play with anyone from any faction so just jump on hlvoice.com on ts3 if you want to try for some drops.

[PEEFsmash]

Die Primate Die, on 18 July 2013 - 06:18 AM, said:

Before today, 17 in a row was my record. I have lost 2/3 of my 1000+ matches in this ELO bracket.

I am truly a damned soul now....

If you want to post videos, I will do my best to help you out.

I too lost about 180 of my first 200 matches, believe it or not. I was that bad. Now my winrate in my last 500+ games is about 5:1 and my KD is higher than that in my Jenner. Don't talk about Elo doom and gloom, just start asking how you can improve your own play. Dig your own way out. If you post a video of a couple whole games I bet I will find at least 10 really important changes you can make to your playstyle.

[Jman5]

Die Primate Die, on 18 July 2013 - 05:57 AM, said:

My only hope is to miraculously win 200 matches, so it appears I will be stuck in this herpa derp bracket for as long as I continue to play this game and losing every match BADLY is not fun.

I'd love to still be in the herpa derp bracket. Everything is so much easier and simpler. People can't aim well, you do enormous damage and get plenty of kills/assists. You get to be the big fish in a small pond.

OP you should be rejoicing not cursing your fate.

[hammerreborn]

Jman5, on 18 July 2013 - 09:03 AM, said:

I'd love to still be in the herpa derp bracket. Everything is so much easier and simpler. People can't aim well, you do enormous damage and get plenty of kills/assists. You get to be the big fish in a small pond.

OP you should be rejoicing not cursing your fate.

This. Do you know how many times ^ guy has shot me? Too many. He's a jerk in that hunchy.

[XX Sulla XX]

Die Primate Die if your in a really low ELO you should be fighting many matches against other people just as bad as the rest of your team. You should be able to win some matches almost alone if you are low enough in ELO. Thats what they are counting on for you to swing the balance and get more wins to move up.

[Xie Belvoule]

[Karenai]

The problem is less that people have very low elo and stay in elo hell, the problem with MWO is, that high elo players get punished with less then stelar elo team mates in pugs. That also means, that low elo players get pinned against medium to high elo players from the start.
This uniqe way of keeping the team elo even ends up frustrating both ends of players. First game today:

Having teammates with a single large pulse laser build, who try to cap with their 48km/h mech is not very helpfull. And since they do not even distract the enemy, because they do not even try to engage, you have to kill mechs, while at least five of them are targeting exclusivly you.

[scJazz]

Die Primate Die, on 18 July 2013 - 05:57 AM, said:

I am cursed to be in the lowest of the low in ELO.

You cursed yourself dude. You and me both know how you did it too.

[Hauser]

h4t3r4d3, on 18 July 2013 - 08:47 AM, said:

The ELO ranking system works like this I think. It assigns a value to each player, then using some sorta algorithm it tries to make each team have equal ELO rank total values. So what happens is 4 players that have never won a game in their life end up with 3 average players and a really good player. This team is then matched against a team that has 8 average players on it and that one really good player cannot make up for the 4 players on his team that have no idea what they are doing. This continues until the really good player's elo is ruined and he is thrown in with average players against a "really good player."

Karenai, on 18 July 2013 - 11:25 AM, said:

The problem is less that people have very low elo and stay in elo hell, the problem with MWO is, that high elo players get punished with less then stelar elo team mates in pugs. That also means, that low elo players get pinned against medium to high elo players from the start.
This uniqe way of keeping the team elo even ends up frustrating both ends of players. First game today:
http://i.imgur.com/oaCajUW.jpg
Having teammates with a single large pulse laser build, who try to cap with their 48km/h mech is not very helpfull. And since they do not even distract the enemy, because they do not even try to engage, you have to kill mechs, while at least five of them are targeting exclusivly you.

I'm afraid you both are mistaken.

http://mwomercs.com/...-making-update/

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How does the match maker compose a teams Elo rating, is it average rating or closest to a target?

It's closest to a target value, so the match maker starts trying to make a match for an Elo of say 1300 and will pull in players to those teams closest to those values; however, as mentioned earlier within growing thresholds and those curves will be tuned. Currently it may be a bit 'sloppy' about how it's filling those buckets but over time it will be tuned to be much more precise.

We need to do this carefully over time as generally the cost of precision is time to find a match we want to slowly find a very nice balance between time to find a match and the number of matches that are correctly composed.

Edited by Hauser, 18 July 2013 - 12:05 PM.

[Carnesy]

Die Primate Die if your schedule is weird and not letting you drop in groups with regular teammates I would recommend you check out the mwo group I joined up with. We just started when this game went closed beta and have since swelled to over 750 members in that time. We have people from all over the world, North America (all time zones), Central America, New Zealand, Australia, Asia, UK, Germany, Spain etc. Heck even people who are in the my time zone (GMT -5:00) are constantly on line till 3 or 4 in the morning or more. We are a loosely affiliated group with little to no command structure who are just there to blow stuff up in giant stompy robots so no stress. Check us out at http://ronin-kensei.enjin.com/home .

[Clit Beastwood]

Does the issue persist when you don't run that misery? Just run something else, maybe you're not cut out to be an assault pilot and you're more headed for "make nerds rage quit with a spider" town.? Not intended as an insult, just saying, if what you have isn't working, try something else.

[Ph30nix]

if everyone at that ELO level is THAT bad shouldnt you be able to just completely curb stomp them? maybe get out of your Misery (yea i know you paid a nice chunk of cash for it but you might not be cut out for an assault mech)

try hopping into one of the faster mechs that packs a decent punch, do some hit and run tactics end your matches with 6+ kills and winning the game for your team then profit!