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[MadCat02]

4 PPC - 40 damage every 2 seconds on a single area . With a proper build you can shoot 4 times without overheating .


4 Large lasers + Gause - 51 damage in a single area . With good managment you shouden't overheat at all .

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Duel LB10 takes 22 tons and does 4 damage on center torso at long range .

Like sereously itll take you 50 bullets to kill assault mech .

Also its not dps efficient to have 20 damage for 22 tons . So theres is no long or close advantage
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Why use srms when you can get more double heatsinks and shoot your lasers twice as often , at long range and with focused fire ?

Edited by MadCat02, 17 July 2013 - 12:16 PM.

[Sheraf]

You use SRM and LBX when you like the weapons. PPC s very strong, but that not unbeatable. prefer my balance stalker 3F than those ppc stalker. I don't have problem killing them, and they don't have problem killing me either. It depends on if I make a mistake or they do, anyway enjoy the game

Edited by Sheraf, 17 July 2013 - 12:08 PM.

[Josef Nader]

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Energy weapons universally have the lowest damage output in the game. Even lower, when heat gets introduced, as they cannot sustain their damage.

SRMs pack tons of damage for very little tonnage, and in a close fight a person who has mixed pinpoint weapons and SRMs is going to win, as they can strip far more armor much more quickly than someone who only brought pinpoint damage.

The LB is just bad, and it has been bad for a long time. They need to improve it, but it's back-burnered.

Edited by Josef Nader, 17 July 2013 - 12:10 PM.

[NRP]

I wonder if the OP has tried to use 4 PPCs or 4 LLs in an actual combat situation (i.e. not just in the training grounds) since yesterday's patch? They're basically non-viable as far as alpha strikes go.

[Homeless Bill]

NRP, on 17 July 2013 - 12:13 PM, said:

I wonder if the OP has tried to use 4 PPCs or 4 LLs in an actual combat situation (i.e. not just in the training grounds) since yesterday's patch? They're basically non-viable as far as alpha strikes go.

Disagree:


And that was me alpha striking for the sheer sake of testing. With a modicum of fire discipline, it'd be as effective as it's ever been. You don't need to alpha strike in a brawl either. Any time you're under 250m, you can hit your target with chain fire or 2x2s with ease. Heat penalties were a very slight nerf to the brawling capability of snipers, but the SRM damage increase is really all that mattered.

[Ryokens leap]

Ha, I got four kills in a match last nite with a Dragon 1n- 330xl, BAP, erppc, LBX-10, & 2 srm4 packs. Totally viable build, don't waste ammo firing LBX at max range, duh.

[Oni Ralas]

MadCat02, on 17 July 2013 - 12:05 PM, said:

4 PPC - 40 damage every 2 seconds on a single area . With a proper build you can shoot 4 times without overheating

20 damage every 2 seconds, not 40 (stagger). 40 every 4 (std. cd for PPC). You aren't going to fire 4ppc 4x times back to back in anything without an overheat. Even before the PPC ghostheat, you're talking 8 HPS over the course of 16s (not factoring linear cooling abilities of the HS). Not going to happen.

ERPPC is even worse.


PPC's are fun, but aren't the end-all-beat-all weapon. I've used them forever, even before the HSR and the original heat reduction. Now THAT was fun.. leading a target 15m ahead while moving at 90kph and absorbing 30% more heat than we do now

[TexAce]

Because its fun sending a wall of SRMs the enemy way.

And my Dual-LBX Jäger has a 1.86 K/D ratio.

Some, like me are just the shotgun types (SRMs are nothing else really) and don't play to only max out mechs.

[Voivode]

Different weapons work better in different situations. LB10X aren't great by themselves but when combined with weapons that can strip armor they are pretty effective at taking the weapons off a mech and causing ammo explosions. SRMs just got a damge boost and are really good at getting in close and messing a mech up.

[Middcore]

Massed SRMs are quite powerful since the patch earlier this week.

LBX is a middling weapon at best.

[scJazz]

Because you enjoy using useless weapons that suck?

Although SRMs might not suck anymore.

[ZonbiBadger]

Homeless Bill, on 17 July 2013 - 12:39 PM, said:

Disagree:


And that was me alpha striking for the sheer sake of testing. With a modicum of fire discipline, it'd be as effective as it's ever been. You don't need to alpha strike in a brawl either. Any time you're under 250m, you can hit your target with chain fire or 2x2s with ease. Heat penalties were a very slight nerf to the brawling capability of snipers, but the SRM damage increase is really all that mattered.

That's the point though isn't it? It requires more skill and thought to run ppc boats now. They never wanted to eliminate them.

[Stoicblitzer]

Homeless Bill, on 17 July 2013 - 12:39 PM, said:

the SRM damage increase is really all that mattered.

[Deathlike]

LBX... oh how PGI has nerfed thee since... forever.

[General Taskeen]

All the LBX has going for is the sound. If you are trying to choose between an LBX and SRMs, then go with SRMs.

If you are choosing an LB 10-X or AC/10, go with the AC/10. It comes down to a choice "Do I want to tickle my enemy to death, or do I want to kill them with an AC/10?"

In other Mech Warrior games when it came to the LB(Any Caliber), it came down to the choice, "Do I want to be able to shoot at longer range and do very high damage, or do I want to take a different weapon type or a lighter weapon?" Cuz its was balanced better.

[Homeless Bill]

ZonbiBadger, on 18 July 2013 - 09:07 AM, said:

That's the point though isn't it? It requires more skill and thought to run ppc boats now. They never wanted to eliminate them.

They are trying to get rid of the ridiculous, 40-point alpha. They failed. PPC boats aren't a bad thing, but they've got to have some semblance of balance. That video doesn't even demonstrate skilled piloting - I was alpha striking just for the sake of testing. With a little fire discipline, it would have been even easier.

Sure, newbies will cook themselves, but they weren't the problem: it's the good pilots that make PPC Stalkers unbearable. It's the competitive teams running eight jumpsnipers. I'm not worried about Joe Schmoe and his 6xPPC Stalker - I'm worried about deforce, doones, Soy, and the like. The last thing we needed was a nerf to new players.

[BlackDrakon]

SRM's are almost there, still need a few more damage imo to be feared again. I did my tryouts yesterday and the day before and they are almost there. Boating was never the problem, the problem was the lack of SRM's in the game.

[Xie Belvoule]

SRMs should be 2.5 damage and once they sort out the hitreg issues then drop them back down to 2. Also LBX sucks *** and your right theirs still no point to bringing anything but PPCs.

[Voivode]

Lot of hate for the LB10X. I like them in the same way that I like the LPL: in combination with something else. Now, the honest truth is the LB10X is a waste on light or medium and any heavier mech outfitted for range isn't going to find any use for it. But combined with other short range weapons it can be pretty effective.

[AlexEss]

Why you should do it... Not the faintest...

Why i don´t give a crap about four PPC, because is pilot mediums and lights... It is darn difficult to fit four PPC on them... Beyond that i like my SRM because they rip the living frak out of people... Let the 4 PPC lovers tak away some of that pesky armor, then you swoop in and unleashes missile-hell on earth...

But each to their own i guess... If all you care about is numbers i guess there is no point in looking at anything but the current FoTM and then stick as many as you can on a mech... Me i sort of like thing with a bit flare. After all Assault pilots will never know the rush of having bobbed and weaved your way through a pack of enemies in a Jenner, only to come out on the other side mostly intact and having turned the line in to disarray... That my friend is what i call fun.