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[MechFrog1]

Wilburg, on 24 July 2013 - 10:42 AM, said:

That said, I assume that none of your community fostered the weapon changes to PPC´s in the past? Are you kidding me?
As already mentioned, most negative changes on weapon balancing the last months (back to open beta) are changes demanded by the community. The same ones that now are whinig that the game is ****** up.

I applied for the meeting, but reading the posts here, I can´t get rid of the feeling that the direction you want to go is already predetermined. I hope this is no intend to get as many people as possible together to sell your approaches as "anted by a good part of the community". This sensation gets underlined by remarks of WoL guys to crtitical posts.
In fact, Allen Wren is the first one on the last few pages to appreciate other approaches. I am pretty afraid of where this is going ...

The primary issue with the PPC is that they were improved before HSR went in. After HSR, the reasonable changes made the weapon godly. Instead of seeing the issue and rolling back the pre-HSR buffs, PGI went with the ghost heat scale debacle.

I have no problem with critical posts so long as they have a basis in reality and are constructive. Telling us to stop whining and then claiming we don't know how games get made is not helpful.

[Tyr Gunn]

Everyone is welcome to come to the town hall, as long as you agree with the goons. Seems legit.

[Gwaihir]

Literally anyone can come, and they don't have to agree with ****. Every unit's getting the same amount of time to speak and lay out whatever they want to.

[Viper69]

Perhaps I was a bit over zealous in some of my remarks. I really wish the best for this game I really do. I just feel its leadership is spineless and weak at best.

Actually the disturbing trend as of late in the gaming industry is open beta is treated as release level content. How many games has anyone here bought in the last 5yrs that has not had a patch ready for it when you open the box? I dont blame PGI I blame the environment of today's gaming market and the publishers.

[Ramblin]

so... were getting lobbies?

[DisasterMedic]

Tyr Gunn, on 24 July 2013 - 10:50 AM, said:

Everyone is welcome to come to the town hall, as long as you agree with the goons. Seems legit.

As has been explained ad nauseum, the town hall is open to all constructive ideas, regardless of whether or not they are in line with our own.

There is a difference, and it's not very subtle, between being part of the conversation and decrying the entire conversation as whiningnoise. You'll notice the plethora of 'likes' below the former, and a circle-jerk of 1-2 'likes' at most for the latter.

[Viper69]

I dont know why people are poo pooing the idea before even attending. Seems like some pot kettle action going on. I wont be there probably but I value their effort to at least try to get something done. Although I am sure PGI has their course laid out and are going on it like captain Smith racing across the North Atlantic.

[Tyr Gunn]

Gwaihir, on 24 July 2013 - 10:53 AM, said:

Literally anyone can come, and they don't have to agree with ****. Every unit's getting the same amount of time to speak and lay out whatever they want to.

The recent course of this thread does not support that statement at all. I'm a leader in this community, and legitimately, my concern lies not with balance or development trajectory. I sincerely believe that a big problem with this game is bleak bitterness. I genuinely feel that a lot of the hate being spewed has less to do with the game and its admittedly lengthy development, and more to do with the haters' sad little life. [Redacted]

My legitimate suggestion to fix this game: Stop all the hate. Take a step back. If you don't like the game, don't play it. Leave. You are NOT developing the game. Learn to deal with loss, failure, and disappointment. If the game fails, it has nothing to do with you. If the game succeeds, it has nothing to do with you. Most haters have already checked out, and now hating is their new game.

Edited by Niko Snow, 24 July 2013 - 01:00 PM.

[Dr B00t]

HugoStiglitz, on 21 July 2013 - 03:57 PM, said:

I have seen threads like this come up every week like clockwork since I started playing in closed beta. There is always going to be something someone doesn't like about a game. So, what is it this time? Heat too high? Your favorite weapon missing something it once had? Really, what is it that the goon squad thinks is killing the game?

I am all ears.

not in a goon squad...pub only for me...but to tell the truth im just bored w/ the game...you can only play the same game modes over and over...not to mention the steam summer sale recently...have lots of games that are more interesting to me right now

ive been playing since closed beta nearly every day except for the past few weeks due to burnout

[Dr B00t]

Chronojam, on 24 July 2013 - 10:38 AM, said:

Hey remember when they weren't going to make SRMs better and then overnight made SRMs better by changing a text file? That was pretty good.

i know right? it boggles my mind that a game gearing up for a full launch cant seem to manage hotfixes or even a weekly balance patch

and to the OP...no offense and i appreciate your intentions but all the dev's had to do was read any of the hundreds of thousands of posts/polls to get a decent feel of what their community is concerned with

...ive seen garth and others completely ignore great forum threads, but then magically show up to say how great an idea a tuxedo pattern is a great idea

ignoring valuable and constructive criticism (or even the appearance of ignoring) just to show up and say how some money grab gimmick skin is a great idea does not inspire confidence

[Draco Harkins]

And you want WoL to lead the way and become the voice of the community now aswell? Wouldnt that be sweet and a change of tactics, instead of the usual trolls now you're sweet honeying with whispers of salvation. Only a fool would let Goonswarm be our spokesmen.

[MechFrog1]

Tyr Gunn, on 24 July 2013 - 11:05 AM, said:

The recent course of this thread does not support that statement at all. I'm a leader in this community, and legitimately, my concern lies not with balance or development trajectory. I sincerely believe that a big problem with this game is bleak bitterness. I genuinely feel that a lot of the hate being spewed has less to do with the game and its admittedly lengthy development, and more to do with the haters' sad little life. Real talk, they'd be beating their girlfriend, kicking their dog, or sucking at the job they hate if PGI didn't make such a delicious target.

My legitimate suggestion to fix this game: Stop all the hate. Take a step back. If you don't like the game, don't play it. Leave. You are NOT developing the game. Learn to deal with loss, failure, and disappointment. If the game fails, it has nothing to do with you. If the game succeeds, it has nothing to do with you. Most haters have already checked out, and now hating is their new game.

You see, that's the thing. We do like the game. We want MWO to succeed. I also almost never hit my wife.

[fil5000]

Draco Harkins, on 24 July 2013 - 11:13 AM, said:

And you want WoL to lead the way and become the voice of the community now aswell? Wouldnt that be sweet and a change of tactics, instead of the usual trolls now you're sweet honeying with whispers of salvation. Only a fool would let Goonswarm be our spokesmen.

No one's saying we're anyone's spokesman. The entire point of getting people together to discuss it is we're more than aware we're not the only people playing this game.

[MechFrog1]

Draco Harkins, on 24 July 2013 - 11:13 AM, said:

And you want WoL to lead the way and become the voice of the community now aswell? Wouldnt that be sweet and a change of tactics, instead of the usual trolls now you're sweet honeying with whispers of salvation. Only a fool would let Goonswarm be our spokesmen.

We've always been a voice of the community. You're missing the point of this entirely if you think that we're trying to be the spokesmen. We want the community's spokesmen to come forward in a way that demands PGI take notice. Every group showing up on Thursday is bringing their people to the table. Why not be part of the MWO community instead of wasting your time with your anti-goon vendetta?

Edited by mint frog, 24 July 2013 - 11:17 AM.

[fil5000]

Dr B00t, on 24 July 2013 - 11:12 AM, said:

i know right? it boggles my mind that a game gearing up for a full launch cant seem to manage hotfixes or even a weekly balance patch

and to the OP...no offense and i appreciate your intentions but all the dev's had to do was read any of the hundreds of thousands of posts/polls to get a decent feel of what their community is concerned with

...ive seen garth and others completely ignore great forum threads, but then magically show up to say how great an idea a tuxedo pattern is a great idea

ignoring valuable and constructive criticism (or even the appearance of ignoring) just to show up and say how some money grab gimmick skin is a great idea does not inspire confidence

With the greatest respect to Garth, I believe there is a limit on what he can do in discussions about the development and balance of the game. I have no doubt that he sifts through pages and pages of requests and suggestions - ultimately he doesn't get to make the call on what does or doesn't go in to the game.

[Ramblin]

:::Sigh:::... There isnt going to be a lobby is there?

[Amro One]

Wait, when was the last Mechwarrior game released, 2001, 12 years ago and since then not one game has been made till now.

I rather just play MW:O then crap MW 4.

It's a tactical mech simulation, . . . . . SIMULATION.

[Stormwolf]

Jazriel, on 24 July 2013 - 11:27 AM, said:

It's a tactical mech simulation, . . . . . SIMULATION.

It's more a shooter then a sim.

[ColonelKiel]

The tone of these threads kills me.

The assumption that PGI is ignoring the community and the way anyone who disputes that "fact" gets shouted down by the mob kills me.

OP, you speak of welcoming any and all input. I put forth input and get shouted down by members of your own unit. The implication that I'm delusional and that the arguement that it is beta is invalid. They fixate on the literal translation of the words I write and ignore the spirit of the message as plain and clear as it can be.

The Game has issues which the developers whole heartedly acknowledge and have communicated clearly that they are investigating and reviewing and have plans to resolve.

But because PGI didn't step down off their ivory tower and deign to explicetly recognize that members of the community were able to identify those same issues and come up with ideas and suggestions that their armchair developer skills say will emphatically resolve PGI's blundering idiocy, you all grab the pitchforks and torches and are ready to set fire to the whole thing.

The problem with MWO, isn't MWO or PGI or IGP or anything else.

The problem with MWO is this poisonous cloud of haters and ragers.

You all think that you are the majority and you represent the community. What you fail to recognize is that for every one of you who claims to represent the community and insist that PGI is the worst thing to happen to Mechwarrior, there are dozens who have grown sick of the doomsaying and hatemongering and are taking breaks or walking away completely.

[MechFrog1]

Disagreeing with you isn't shouting you down. No one here wants to see MWO fail. No one is trying to set fire to anything.

Edited by mint frog, 24 July 2013 - 11:35 AM.