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[Gwaihir]

Yea, as much as I would love to have a lobby tomorrow, that's not going to help bring people back if the fundamentals aren't there. (I know that the same people that would be building support for lobbies are not the same people making design decisions.)

Also, I wouldn't pin any hopes on getting one really much sooner as a result of anything that comes out of this town hall. The best I could hope for is that no more valuable programmer time is wasted on silly things like the heat scaling system, instead of the features that we all really do want, like lobbies and CW.

[CHH Badkarma]

mint frog, on 24 July 2013 - 02:09 PM, said:

Because even if you don't trust us, this is a public forum and deep down, we're all MWO fans who want the game to succeed. We don't have to trust each other. All we have to do is talk and PGI will listen.

I find it takes massive amounts of nerve for a group that has actively trashed so many games to pretend to care about MWO. Just like they cared about eve online and countless others. MWO would be much better off if the goon squad would just go away

[Protection]

I'm going to repost my thoughts on the new heat mechanic here, because much of the rest of ELP loves it, and I seem to be the sole voice of dissent, and each group is only getting one member each to delegate.

(and it isn't that I don't trust Hylius to bring it up, but my concern in whether he will have the opportunity)

Boating and the new heat system.

Boating in inevitable and trying to get rid of boating is impossible. Even many stock mechs were boats, and when you introduce a totally artificial and fake and convoluted and terrible mechanic like the new heat system, you do nothing to prevent boating, you simply shift the meta to the next best available boat that doesn't violate the heat system. There will always be boats - boats are what MWO will be, no matter what else is attempted. The goal needs to be to create an ecosystem where we can see a wide variety of different types of boats, and teams field a mixture of different boats, rather than trying to create a needlessly complicated and convoluted restriction on what things are allowed to be boated effectively. Gamers will almost always gravitate towards specialization in any sim or shooter, or almost any online game. Trying to fight this totally natural competitive thought process is the wrong way to approach weapon balance. The focus should be on giving each type of weapon a specialized purpose that doesn't completely override a different type of weapon, so there are lots of different choices about what to boat. Trying to make everyone run things with 4+ weapons groups is never going to find success among the competitive players.



I also have more points about new player experience, lobby systems, community involvement (modding/map editors), but I suspect they are fine with those arguments.

[Ramblin]

So, your going with a list of bugs, balance issues, hit box issues and content issues? Ok, im sure they dont know anything about those and probably didnt realize we didnt like those problems...

Could we just throw the lobby thing out there, as an after all the other unknown and un-worked on problems?

[MechFrog1]

Jason Radick, on 24 July 2013 - 04:33 PM, said:

I find it takes massive amounts of nerve for a group that has actively trashed so many games to pretend to care about MWO. Just like they cared about eve online and countless others. MWO would be much better off if the goon squad would just go away

Source?

Ramblin, on 24 July 2013 - 04:34 PM, said:

So, your going with a list of bugs, balance issues, hit box issues and content issues? Ok, im sure they dont know anything about those and probably didnt realize we didnt like those problems...

Could we just throw the lobby thing out there, as an after all the other unknown and un-worked on problems?

I'm 100% sure someone will bring it up.

Edited by mint frog, 24 July 2013 - 04:37 PM.

[CHH Badkarma]

you are a goon, you know your own history. As does anyone that has been around long enough to know. Dont play innocent here.

[MechFrog1]

Jason Radick, on 24 July 2013 - 04:37 PM, said:

you are a goon, you know your own history. As does anyone that has been around long enough to know. Dont play innocent here.

You're making an accusation here, and I'd like you to back it up. Otherwise, stop throwing your personal issues into the fray. This isn't a thread for you to hate on goons because your brother's cousin's little kid once got scammed by a goon in Eve.

Edited by mint frog, 24 July 2013 - 04:41 PM.

[Protection]

Jason Radick, on 24 July 2013 - 04:33 PM, said:

I find it takes massive amounts of nerve for a group that has actively trashed so many games to pretend to care about MWO. Just like they cared about eve online and countless others. MWO would be much better off if the goon squad would just go away

Even if this was an attempt at trolling (and you'd probably have to be dense to believe that if you'd bothered to read the 17+ pages of totally legitimate and understandable opinions brought forward by goons) I don't even get how it would work?

I mean, do the goons get 30+ corp leaders and representatives and then say "Haha, psych!" and kick everyone from the teamspeak? It's kind of funny, I guess, but they put more effort into setting it up than anyone participating did by showing up.

Do they send an angry bitter letter to PGI that doesn't actually voice any opinions or concerns? They could do that without all the wasted effort of setting up the town hall.

And if they make a letter, consisting of a general consensus of opinions from many of the most prominent merc corps and players in the community, voicing sincere concerns about the direction of MWO and the quality of the game, then isn't that exactly what we all want?

I just fail to see the "Goons are bad" logic here. What is it that you think they are up to, if not a sincere concern over the direction of MWO (one that countless non-Goons are also voicing).

Edited by Protection, 24 July 2013 - 04:44 PM.

[CHH Badkarma]

personal? thats funny coming from a horde of players with decades of anarchy and chaos under their belt. Hopefully people here do some digging before getting in bed so to speak with these people.

Edited by Jason Radick, 24 July 2013 - 04:48 PM.

[MechFrog1]

Jason Radick, on 24 July 2013 - 04:45 PM, said:

personal? thats funny coming from a horde of players with decades of anarchy and chaos under their belt. Hopefully people here do some digging before getting in bed so to speak with these people.

With 'decades' of anarchy and chaos under our collective belts, Surely you can explain a few instances of how we've ruined games.

[Chronojam]

Jason Radick, on 24 July 2013 - 04:45 PM, said:

personal? thats funny coming from a horde of players with decades of anarchy and chaos under their belt. Hopefully people here do some digging before getting in bed so to speak with these people.

When you've finished digging for reasons to be upset at us, please decide if you'd rather ultimately waste your unit's time voicing those concerns, or if you'd rather join everybody in voicing our shared concerns about the future of MechWarrior Online.

[Victor Morson]

Chronojam, on 24 July 2013 - 05:00 PM, said:

When you've finished digging for reasons to be upset at us, please decide if you'd rather ultimately waste your unit's time voicing those concerns, or if you'd rather join everybody in voicing our shared concerns about the future of MechWarrior Online.

Positively. Let's get this back on track! This is a community event folks. If you want a voice, show up!

Edited by Victor Morson, 24 July 2013 - 05:03 PM.

[xZaOx]

IF you hate goons, and don't actually get there is thousands of them, not all of them bad, or you disagree with this town hall meeting, then great, we get it. Stop posting, you are becoming the poisonous part of this community not them. Why are you even arguing about a meeting you don't want to be apart of. No one is forcing you, there is a hundred of other threads you could be posting in.

There is no alternative agenda or thoughts to overthrow the government, but an earnest desire to rally a bunch of people, and show PGI we care, and we have some serious issues.

Ultimately, as previous attempts to rally groups together, and give PGI a message, they've ignored it. Some KaoS reps will be there. If this was any other franchise I guarantee 80% of us would have dropped this game months ago, and never came back.

Their are three reasons why PGI/IGP wont get any more of my money. Their mods, the complete lack of communication, and lack of knowledge of any form of balance. It's up to them to convince me otherwise, but right now all of it is going to steam and Star Citizen.

Edited by xZaOx, 24 July 2013 - 05:19 PM.

[Gwaihir]

xZaOx, on 24 July 2013 - 05:15 PM, said:

Their are three reasons why PGI/IGP wont get any more of my money. Their mods, the complete lack of communication, and lack of knowledge of any form of balance. It's up to them to convince me otherwise, but right now all of it is going to steam and Star Citizen.

High five brother in shame!

[Frost Pendragon]

Played a match with Garth today. Asked him in chat if anyone from PGI will be attending the meeting held by Lowtax tomorrow. He ignored my question.

Not that I'm surprised. Best of luck Lowtax.

It makes me sad to see all these great teams erode away from frustration and mistreatment from PGIs poor choices and failures. I also saw that there's supposed to be a creative director update tomorrow. I'm still hopeful, but I get more skeptical every month.

Long live MWO

[TehSBGX]

Welp I'll def be attending.

[Eagle vFv]

I miss falling mechs

[Dustmuffins]

I'm going to be in surgery in the morning, but I'll be there if I'm done being high on anesthetic.

I hope to see something meaningful come out of this and avoid becoming a PGI/mod/community bashfest.

Edited by Dustmuffins, 24 July 2013 - 07:29 PM.

[Autsj]

Dustmuffins, on 24 July 2013 - 07:28 PM, said:

I'm going to be in surgery in the morning, but I'll be there if I'm done being high on anesthetic.

I hope to see something meaningful come out of this and avoid becoming a PGI/mod/community bashfest.

I got stuck on liking your post or telling you to take care of yourself first, so I'm just going with both.

[Volt Corsair]

I'm just going to throw in my 2 cents(rim shot) and say I'm not condemning them too much. They're basically experimenting with a game that can do a 180 if it goes in the wrong direction too far. That's one great aspect of an mmo: it can get rehauled if the designers so choose. Besides, we're expecting a lot from them anyways because, hell, we haven't had a new MechWarrior game in forever. I'm not saying they're off the hook, just that they shouldn't be bashed too hard for trying to solve inherent problems of the franchise(poptarts, large bore weapon boaters), even if they're bad fixes that should be sent to into the Pit of Tartarus to keep the Titans company. If they continue to go down this road, which we wont know until they do, I'll change my mindset.