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[Native]

so I read in the guide section about the Metal salad 4X, but since i dont currently have a 4X (sold it after elite, but may buy it again) I built a similar build with my Ilya, which ive just about finished elite leveling, only convergence left.

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...2a243b66906cb0a

First round I jumped into was Canyon. 1040 damage, 4 kills and lived. we won. next game, 2 kills with 600 some odd damage and lived, next game 4 kills again and lived.

WHEN DID THE LB 10-X BECOME SO AWESOME!? is it the HSR? slightly tighter spread? am I just getting matched up with bads? getting 2 giant shotgun chain fired into your face over and over apparently freaks people out, as most tend to back up and try and run away.

IDK.. but im having more fun with this set up, than I have had in months

Edited by Native, 22 July 2013 - 04:37 AM.

[blacklp]

It's not awesome...

[Agentpony]

Probably a combination of factors. I have the unscientific idea that the newest heat scale changes and SRM buffs produce a bit more varied loadouts, more short range builds and a bit less pinpoint alpha gameplay. Mechs are damaged in more places now before going down. Which in turn means, your LBs may find more armor openings to feed on.

[General Taskeen]

You're beter off with 2 AC/10's, like for real and you'll do better with them if you know how to aim. LB-X users that sneak into my matches rarely freak me out, I just take em out.

[blacklp]

Anecdotal evidence may exist showing that most people ignore LB10-X mounting mechs due to the laughable damage.
By anecdotal I mean this is my opinion and by people I mean myself but you get the idea.

[Native]

LOL we've been playing this game about the same amount if time General Taskeen, and though it wouldn't phase you or I, I think others are a different story... I've done the 2 AC10 thing, and it is great get tons of kills. that's the other Ilya build I use. i'm just having a ton of fun with this one, and isnt that all that matters? gotta do things that keep it fun when you've been playing this long

Edited by Native, 22 July 2013 - 05:06 AM.

[General Taskeen]

What matters is that the developers have programmed the worst LB-X of any Mech Warrior game there ever was where its range was an advantage, and even did bonus damage in other games. And its been still horrible since Closed Beta. You can have fun with it, but I never did, I thought it was a waste of time, even now.

If they had enhanced how the LB-X was programmed in those other Mech games Native, my post would be entirely different along the lines of yeah, "Yeah, it has incredible range and does bonus damage, its pretty good for its tonnage."

Edited by General Taskeen, 22 July 2013 - 05:21 AM.

[Native]

Different strokes for different folks I guess... I've always hated the PPC.. never could turn to the dark side and start using them en mass like everyone else, and the Gauss Rifle too for that matter. I think the LB 10-X is great for what it does, and I do think it has improved since closed beta, they have tightened the spread a bit, and yes, it would be nice if you could use slugs as well, but wouldn't that just put the AC 10 into obsolescence since its lighter, and takes up less slots?

Edited by Native, 22 July 2013 - 05:37 AM.

[MeiSooHaityu]

I have to agree, I would try to run A/C10s. I like the LBX for one application, and that is on a light where pinpoint aiming can be difficult...HOWEVER, the tonnage needed for a LBX on a light often means the light is a bit slow and that often negates any advantage.

The LBX is mostly what I like to call a clean-up weapon. It is made to follow up your main weapon (to potentially destroy red components), it isn't made to be that main damage weapon. It is just a bit too heavy for the cleanup weapon as well.

[TexAce]

My Dual LBX + 4ML Jagermech has over 180 matches and a 1.87 K/D ratio. You are not alone.

Edited by TexAss, 22 July 2013 - 06:43 AM.

[Amsro]

TexAss, on 22 July 2013 - 06:43 AM, said:

My Dual LBX + 4ML Jagermech has over 180 matches and a 1.87 K/D ratio. You are not alone.

Dual LBX10 + 4MLas K2, excellent build for trolling!!

Also seems to work well.

[C A R N A G E]

I love lbx on my illya.I run 3 with 5 tons ammo and 3 medium lasers if you play it like an ambusher it can be devastating to any mech not prepared for it.lol just make sure your in hugging range for it to work really well.when I do solo drops I purposely try to hunt down their atlas in a very close range brawl using the Atlas massive body to shield me from further enemy fire till I kill him off.:-)

[MeiSooHaityu]

Amsro, on 22 July 2013 - 06:52 AM, said:

Dual LBX10 + 4MLas K2, excellent build for trolling!!

Also seems to work well.

I have tried that in my K2, called her the "Double Barrel" . Still, at the end of the day, I went back to dual A/C10s. I would have kept the LBX had (1: I cold have ran 2 LLasers and 2MLasers vs 4MLasers without being REALLY slow or 2: I could have ran that exact setup, but been 10 to 15kmh faster).

As it stands, I just prefer the 2 A/C10s. Who knows though, I might revisit the LBX for the K2.

[Shae Starfyre]

I have been experimenting with Fast Strikers using Crit Seeking weapons and spread weapons, and I have been having an interesting game experience as well.

All my Victors run LBX-10 (MG added for flare), SRMS or SSRMS, either way really, and Pulse Lasers, and they have been doing well.

Using the right modules for information gathering, and picking your targets...rush in, dance around, blow out those weak points, and get back out; rinse and repeat.... fun all day long.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Aphoticus, on 22 July 2013 - 08:04 AM, said:

Using the right modules for information gathering, and picking your targets...rush in, dance around, blow out those weak points, and get back out; rinse and repeat.... fun all day long.

That's why I kind of like the LBX in a Raven. It is lighter than an A/C10 and with the spread, it is easier to get close range and hit the enemy while running around like a mad man.

Still though, the raven is a bit too slow when accomidating a LBX. I might still use it though. I don't know.

[BarHaid]

MeiSooHaityu, on 22 July 2013 - 05:50 AM, said:

The LBX is mostly what I like to call a clean-up weapon. It is made to follow up your main weapon (to potentially destroy red components), it isn't made to be that main damage weapon. It is just a bit too heavy for the cleanup weapon as well.

When I run an LBX in my Cent, that's the role I play; clean-up support. Since I'm usually the lightest mech on the field, I try to watch everyone else's backs and help with focus fire.* You just gotta keep to your role.


*when I haven't lost patience and gone careening around all commando-like, that is. Stupid little-dog mentality, sigh.

[Angel of Annihilation]

I get mixed results with the LB-10X honestly. Some matches it just seems to dominate others it without a doubt, unquestionable gets me killed. The problem is that its performance is inconsistant.

It is great at wearing down the enemies armor and creating vulnerabilites and then it is great as a crit hunter however its lack of focused damage will let you down at a critical moment often as not.

To explain that better. In numerous matches I have had an enemy's CT in the red and fired the LB-10X to finish them off only to be disappointed as it doesn't do enough damage to the CT to finish it off and allows the enemy to finish me instead. This wouldn't have happend if I connected with a solid AC/10 or PPC. Other times a single stay pellet will grab a crit on the engine and it is all over in a blink.

All in all it isn't horrible but it still isn't quite where it needs to be considering its weight and bulk. Honestly I still think the cone is a bit too large or it needs a slight damage upgrade to each pellet or more pellets.

[Leafia Barrett]

Short answer: It didn't.
Long answer: Unless you're using it at facehugging range, that 10 damage is going to spread over the entire mech, averaging maybe 1-2 damage per body part, and that's assuming all the pellets hit.

[Rascula]

LBX's have always been fun....................True
LBX's are better than they have been..... Marginal at best.
LBX's are awesome......... ........................No, fun yes but definitely not awesome.

[Bishop Steiner]

Native, on 22 July 2013 - 05:06 AM, said:

LOL we've been playing this game about the same amount if time General Taskeen, and though it wouldn't phase you or I, I think others are a different story... I've done the 2 AC10 thing, and it is great get tons of kills. that's the other Ilya build I use. i'm just having a ton of fun with this one, and isnt that all that matters? gotta do things that keep it fun when you've been playing this long

playing for fun makes you a BAD.

You are only a GOOD, a LEET, a PRO, when you run only the most meta-exploiting builds and then call yourself skilled. And then you spend as much time as possible on the forums telling everyone else they are BADS.

Vassago says so, so it must be true.

Viktor Drake, on 22 July 2013 - 08:52 AM, said:

I get mixed results with the LB-10X honestly. Some matches it just seems to dominate others it without a doubt, unquestionable gets me killed. The problem is that its performance is inconsistant.

It is great at wearing down the enemies armor and creating vulnerabilites and then it is great as a crit hunter however its lack of focused damage will let you down at a critical moment often as not.

To explain that better. In numerous matches I have had an enemy's CT in the red and fired the LB-10X to finish them off only to be disappointed as it doesn't do enough damage to the CT to finish it off and allows the enemy to finish me instead. This wouldn't have happend if I connected with a solid AC/10 or PPC. Other times a single stay pellet will grab a crit on the engine and it is all over in a blink.

All in all it isn't horrible but it still isn't quite where it needs to be considering its weight and bulk. Honestly I still think the cone is a bit too large or it needs a slight damage upgrade to each pellet or more pellets.

1.4-1.5 per peller might actually boost it to the useful range.