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[fil5000]

Erata, on 01 August 2013 - 12:48 AM, said:

There still are a surprises that pop up from time to time, like the vaguely stated buff given to critical damage that a lot of people misconstrue as an addition of piercing damage, when it's probably just a buff to ~crit seeking~ weapons' crit damage. Unfortunately, I'm guessing just as blindly!

On this point, it seemed fairly clear - if a weapon or a piece of equipment gets critted it will get damaged, and a percentage of that damage will also be applied to the internals of the section it's in. So it's a buff to anything that can cause crits - which is every single weapon in the game. It'll be MORE of a buff to ~crit seekers~ but the net result is a health debuff for all components that have equipment in them.

[Big Giant Head]

Erata, on 01 August 2013 - 12:48 AM, said:

I don't have any alt accounts, but the Kerensky family is quite storied for spreading their seed across the galaxy. Their family is disturbingly large.

I guess on the plus side, they are being more communicative about what their intentions with the game are, like with the early posting of the 3rd person poll, and a couple earlier patch announcements.

There still are a surprises that pop up from time to time, like the vaguely stated buff given to critical damage that a lot of people misconstrue as an addition of piercing damage, when it's probably just a buff to ~crit seeking~ weapons' crit damage. Unfortunately, I'm guessing just as blindly!

Still, the twitter replies from Russ solidify what used to be speculating fears about the direction of the game, and suggest a failure to acknowledge our grievances. Ehhh.. Watch and wait. See you in a few updates!

I think tha hing with MG and LBX about critical damage is very stupid. I just dont know why it was done in first place.
To increase effectivness? omg...
Now Im seeing MG taking of my AC/1o with couple of shots
???

[Erata]

fil5000, on 01 August 2013 - 12:52 AM, said:

...but the net result is a health debuff for all components that have equipment in them.

Oh ok. I was kind of afraid that would be the case, given the state of the game's meta.

[Legend_]

Not signing.

Letter is hardly of a professional enough standard to bare the weight it supposedly carries and, for the most part, the majority of people that have signed it are those that that post attacks rather than constructive critiques.

Not all but mostly.

[Erata]

chiXu, on 01 August 2013 - 12:58 AM, said:

Not signing.

Letter is hardly of a professional enough standard to bare the weight it supposedly carries and, for the most part, the majority of people that have signed it are those that that post attacks rather than constructive critiques.

Not all but mostly.

In general, what is attacking whom?


Ehhh nevermind, it's ok I guess...

Edited by Erata, 01 August 2013 - 01:13 AM.

[Big Giant Head]

chiXu, on 01 August 2013 - 12:58 AM, said:

Not signing.

Letter is hardly of a professional enough standard to bare the weight it supposedly carries and, for the most part, the majority of people that have signed it are those that that post attacks rather than constructive critiques.

Not all but mostly.

Give atlest two examples of unconstructive critiques that you heard in town hall meeting.

Edited by Big Giant Head, 01 August 2013 - 01:03 AM.

[fil5000]

Guys, there's no requirement for him to defend his assertion. If he doesn't want to sign that's fine.

[Big Giant Head]

Constructive post is post where OP puts its feelings and emotion on side and tries to think a solution to a problem by looking form different standpoints and testing his own solution to many flaws
Or something like that

Edited by Big Giant Head, 01 August 2013 - 01:07 AM.

[fil5000]

Big Giant Head, on 01 August 2013 - 01:06 AM, said:

Constructive post is post where OP puts its feelings and emotion on side and tries to think a solution to a problem by looking form different standpoints and testing his own solution to many flaws
Or something like that

I completely agree - but asking for evidence for his choice isn't going to make him change it.

[Chronojam]

mint frog, on 31 July 2013 - 10:07 PM, said:

It feels awful to leave... Hell, it feels awful to see that little icon on the desktop and not feel the desire to play all day.

I'm a sadfrog lately.

Minty I feel you, I had to unpin it off my taskbar since I kept accidentally clicking it and then ending up in another cycle of: Whoops, wrong icon -> Sure, Why Not! -> Oh right it's not fun anymore -> Sitting there for a few moments disappointed.

[Erata]

fil5000, on 01 August 2013 - 01:08 AM, said:

I completely agree - but asking for evidence for his choice isn't going to make him change it.

Ehhhh, you're probably right. He's made his decision.

[Big Giant Head]

fil5000, on 01 August 2013 - 01:08 AM, said:

I completely agree - but asking for evidence for his choice isn't going to make him change it.

Reson why OP went with certain suggestion has to be explained at start of the post.
Otherwise, mostly its just all rubbish

[KingCobra]

The OP and this whole group just want one thing POWER OVER OTHERS in this game the ability to decide for others I have seen it in the past MechWarrior games in admins for some leagues. I personally would trust the devs sending me a email or a open reply to constructive topics and posts I made than trust the response of a group of players that might have there own agenda and not mine or others concerns in mind.

[Flux Reversal]

I personally applaud the intentions of this thread and movement and those that support it. In a thread of mine that was removed (and here I am making my first post after being suspended for such thread) called "The Bottom Line" I tactfully and professionally spelled out how to get PGI's attention since they seem to be ignoring the majority of the communities voice.

In summary I stated that over a year ago PGI/MWO had a good start and individuals such as myself (now 42yo and a fan of the franchise since 12yo) were really excited about what we were being told. But now it seems the company has deviated away from what they lured us in with. Simply, some would call it lying or a conn. A conn is when one person/entity (in this case a company) says one thing just to get your money while intending something else. I really feel that's what happened here. They lost focus of MechWarrior and instead are focused on the money. Lets face it at the end of the day PGi is a business not a charity organization.

While the "save MWO" movement is a concerted effort of the community to enact change, the bottom line is PGI will keep doing what ever they want, despite the majorities outcry unless their bad decisions start to affect their income from the game.

You want them to listen? You want them to lend more than a deaf ear to the outcry? Then as a community concerned with the direction of this game stop spending money, stop playing and begin asking for refunds for your founders accounts. Since I rarely play anymore (due 100% to the ridiculous changes) I have seriously considered asking for such a refund despite the huge amount of time I have put into building up a decent mech-bay and mastering chassis.

This movement claims to represent about 3600 players. Multiply that by the amount those individuals spent on a founders pack. Now imagine if these 3600 players at one time flooded PGI with refund requests. PGI would be morons to not listen after that. I for one am willing to throw out my founders status and all the time I have invested in this game just to get PGI to really listen and change.

Edited by OZYM4NDI4S, 01 August 2013 - 08:13 AM.

[jozkhan]

Ozy you might be onto something there... When launch finally hits in a few weeks time it will be possible to take a measure of:

what was promised

vs

what was given

This may very well leave the company open to the kind of class action / combined group action level refunds that could be absolutely devastating. A nuclear option if there ever was one.

[RG Notch]

jozkhan, on 01 August 2013 - 09:03 AM, said:

Ozy you might be onto something there... When launch finally hits in a few weeks time it will be possible to take a measure of:

what was promised

vs

what was given

This may very well leave the company open to the kind of class action / combined group action level refunds that could be absolutely devastating. A nuclear option if there ever was one.

The depth of ignorance as to what you can sue for in a class action lawsuit never fails to astound me. Good luck getting refunds on Founder's particularly the guy who has used those benefits to acquire lots of mechs and mechbays. The only thing people are getting refunded on now is the Project Phoenix packages that haven't been delivered. You've already got what was promised in the Founder's packs, so how on Earth can you ask for a refund at this point?
Oh well Internet Lawyers, a dime a dozen and worth every penny. Stop playing, stop paying, ask for PP refunds but seriously class action lawsuits, you people watch too much TV. Your supposed Nuclear option isn't even the pop of a piece of bubble wrap. So be realistic, don't play or pay any more if you're not happy but don't get silly with BS that will never happen.
One last lesson about the internet, lots of people talk a big game, they claim they and none of their friends play, and they got refunds on PP. I have my doubts. If all this were really true PGI/IGP would have serious issues to contend with and would be insane to ignore this. I personally think it's a lot of talk, and many people simply want other people to make the sacrifice while they cheer them on but don't actually change their habits.
I am still awaiting the details on the vaunted PLAN B.

[Philadelphia Collins]

Signed. I doubt it will result in any changes at all but I can hope right?

[Steven Dixon]

I hope PGI follows your townhall. I just hope it doesn't get too sidetracked.

I consider myself more of a middle of the pack player. My Elo is probably solidly in the middle of the bell curve. I also have several hobbies so I can play other things while I wait for MWO content and I don't group up. I think in many ways the game devs have designed a lot of this game towards people like me.

Consequently, I don't necessarily feel the same as many of the people that have posted on this topic and I don't think that I have anything worthwhile to contribute to it. Its not that I logically disagree, its that I don't feel the same way. I agree with most of the points they just don't personally bother me as much.

However, I do wish to give a big THANK YOU to the organizers and contributors of this event (I don't think many people can accuse the Goons of being poor organizers). I'm very glad to see constructive, articulate, concise feedback and criticism. Rants in my opinion are worthless and sometimes even detrimental and at best inefficient. But ideas like this are good for the game and community. Even if I don't agree with all the points I can respect them and sometimes learn from them. It's very difficult to respect a rant.

While my demographic of the so called "basic MWO player" is very important, I would be delusional to think that we are the only important group. It could be argued that the "new players" and the "hard core players" are even more important (if probably smaller) groups.

Before this game I only knew goonswarm by their rep and I was a little concerned with them 'ruining' this game. However in general they have proven to be a boon to the community, even if their 'squawks' get a little annoying .

So once again, thank you and keep up the good work. Make your voices heard! But remember people that we are rational adults not spoiled kids so lets try not to sound that way. It's just going to get you ignored by the devs.


FYI: This is a business and in general its more effective to argue from logic than emotion if the person you are talking to doesn't feel the same way that you do. It makes you seem irrational or it simply raises their own defense mechanisms (the devs are people to) which makes them inclined to discount what you say. For example, people naturally tend to disregard any criticism that is couched in or involves a personal attack (I'm talking about insults here not threats) because to do so would require them to think less of themselves which the ego is loathed to do. Logic is more objective and can therefore be more persuasive.

[Chronojam]

KingCobra, on 01 August 2013 - 07:29 AM, said:

The OP and this whole group just want one thing POWER OVER OTHERS in this game the ability to decide for others I have seen it in the past MechWarrior games in admins for some leagues. I personally would trust the devs sending me a email or a open reply to constructive topics and posts I made than trust the response of a group of players that might have there own agenda and not mine or others concerns in mind.

Too bad you decided to not show up to the public town hall to add your own concerns to the agenda I guess! So tell me, why do you think the new player experience is fine how it is?

[Tannhauser Gate]

Count me in with Chixu. I cant sign on to this.

This whole savemwo thing would be a lot more successful and accepted had it been less condemning of PGI and invited their help. Instead, the premise of this movement simply assumes that PGI has a poor plan, that PGI lies to the players (or at least doesn’t care), and that MWO somehow needs a public intervention. The hashtag itself is inflammatory and implies that PGI and IGP are mismanaging MWO. The letter with “I want MWO to be a good as it can be” is a thinly veiled accusation that PGI devs are incompetent and that management is off course.

Sorry, I cant support that. My money is an investment in PGI's plan for MWO which I see no problem with. Ive always said that PGI is the best dev group for this game and I still agree with that. Reading through some of the posts, between the lines, I hear a lot of people speaking with a sense of entitlement. I didnt pay for a finished game and neither did you. We are beta players. They dont owe you a detailed breakdown of anything. They dont provide that information for business reasons or for rumor control. Had this game been developed the traditional way, you wouldnt even see it until launch. Now suddenly some people (beta players) feel they have the right to denigrade PGI's people and methods and put pressure on them to somehow change a plan you know very little about yet dont agree with.

Voice of opinion is fine. Voice of condemnation and demands of change thinly veiled as fan concern is BS.

Edited by LakeDaemon, 01 August 2013 - 11:02 AM.