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#21 Odins Fist

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 03:33 PM

"ASUS SABERTOOTH 990FX"
I am using that "EXACT" same board, and it is a great Mobo... Setup was very easy, I would recommend that mobo to anyone that would like a 990FX mobo, also it has the UEFI Bios, and is easy to navigate... You will however need something bigger than a CRT at 1024 x 768 LOL, you won't be able to use the bios with that resolution, When I first installed it, I used one of the 4 CRTs on the workbench to do the intial install, and found that I would have to grab one of the old 19" LCDs to get into BIOS.. Funny stuff, I was in a hurry that day..LOL

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 03:38 PM

After comming back after a few hours and supper to find 18 posts and a whole lots of tech talk i think i've sorted through most of what has been said,

I'd like to express that the dedicated sound card is so i can do producing and recording with this comptuer

My budjet is about 800-1000 all said and done.
No i have not yet purchased this is simply a parts list of things i am looking at.

i am fairly set on the amd processor because yes i will use the cores running multiple emulators and synths

I do plan on crossfiring the graphics cards eventually but currently a 2nd is not in the bugjet i would like to run mwo on high if i can what would be the minimum gpx card that oculd run that and hopefully not more than 200$

Edit: found that mother board for 140
and found 8150 for 206

good priceing?

Edited by Steelo, 11 June 2012 - 03:41 PM.


#23 Vulpesveritas

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 03:49 PM

My Recommended $1000 build;
Case: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16811148060
PSU: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817207013e
Motherboard: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813157280
CPU: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819103961
GPU: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814131466
RAM: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820103006
ODD: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16827135240
HDD: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16822136697
Heatsink: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16835226051
OS: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16832116986

$1000, and will likely be the fastest build you can do for gaming for the price. If you get some extra money, invest in a Nvidia Gefoce GTX 670. That is the best advice I can give you. I would recommend simply overclocking the CPU to 8150 speeds.
at $900, I recommend just swapping the GPU for a Powercolor PCS+ 7850.
at $800, I recommend going with an AMD FX-6100 CPU and an AMD radeon hd 6870.

Edited by Vulpesveritas, 11 June 2012 - 03:56 PM.


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Posted 11 June 2012 - 03:58 PM

OP, McKenna is right about the CPU. The 8120 is a vastly better value. It's about as fast, and a heck of a lot cheaper

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 04:00 PM

View PostCatamount, on 11 June 2012 - 03:58 PM, said:

OP, McKenna is right about the CPU. The 8120 is a vastly better value. It's about as fast, and a heck of a lot cheaper

not to mention, if you're getting any sort of aftermarket cooler, then you might as well just overclock it to 8150 speeds, and you're getting the same speed, saving a bit, and you have a higher performing and quieter cooler.

#26 Odins Fist

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 04:35 PM

Just remember this, if you cheap out on your motherboard you can forget Overclocking real well, and as I use AS-ROCK mobos (basically Asus low end boards) for customers on a budget, and even sometimes Biostar, I wouldn't hold back on the Motherboard price wise..
I have seen M.S.I., Foxconn, Biostar, and AS-Rock mobos go up in smoke Overclocking (not mine), usually advertised features (specs) didn't hold up in actual practice (Caps and Mosfets smoking) (poor phase power design) while Overclocking, mind you not what you would call extreme overclocking.
Also your PSU better be up to the task, and forget multi rail PSUs they are not better than a single rail, and if you need more than that rail can supply, you will either trip your over current protection, if your lucky, or brown out a component..
Finally "NEVER" buy a Diablotek power supply, they litterally catch on fire, and have the worst quality control I have ever seen.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 04:36 PM

View PostOdins Fist, on 11 June 2012 - 04:35 PM, said:

Just remember this, if you cheap out on your motherboard you can forget Overclocking real well, and as I use AS-ROCK mobos (basically Asus low end boards) for customers on a budget, and even sometimes Biostar, I wouldn't hold back on the Motherboard price wise..
I have seen M.S.I., Foxconn, Biostar, and AS-Rock mobos go up in smoke Overclocking (not mine), usually advertised features (specs) didn't hold up in actual practice (Caps and Mosfets smoking) (poor phase power design) while Overclocking, mind you not what you would call extreme overclocking.
Also your PSU better be up to the task, and forget multi rail PSUs they are not better than a single rail, and if you need more than that rail can supply, you will either trip your over current protection, if your lucky, or brown out a component..
Finally "NEVER" buy a Diablotek power supply, they litterally catch on fire, and have the worst quality control I have ever seen.

AsRock is no longer a budget-only brand (though they keep a budget line.) They are now completely separate from Asus. Things have changed lol.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 04:53 PM

View PostCatamount, on 11 June 2012 - 03:58 PM, said:

OP, McKenna is right about the CPU. The 8120 is a vastly better value. It's about as fast, and a heck of a lot cheaper


In fact the 8120 (which I have in my machine) is just down clocked 8150. I have my running at 4 Ghz without issues though it all depends on the specific chip of course. Plus it can handle easily anything you throw at it nowadays. Sure maybe not 250 fps but really... need I say more. I agree with those saying motherboard is important. If you are going to be expensive then be expensive there. Sure you can go buy a 500 dollar graphics card and a 75 motherboard but I think it is a much smarter choice to spend 250-300 on the card and 200ish on the motherboard. And lastly... RAM RAM RAM. RAM is so important. Cheap RAM can fail and cause blue screens and all kinds of weird issues that will have you screaming at the sky. Get good solid RAM and try to get a kit for the number of sticks you plan on using aka if you have 4 slots use them. Upgrading later might be a little more expensive but stability will be there. And really 8 should last a while. Get 16 if you think you don't want to worry about it.

#29 Odins Fist

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 05:11 PM

Well as far as that goes, the ASROCK mobo you put up technically isn't even full ATX it might as well have been classified (Skinny ATX) check the dimensions, and as far as going cheap (and i'm not really saying that mobo is the worst), but trying to save money on a mobo can be hit or miss, and I can absolutlely guarantee that I can clock above whatever that ASRock mobo can do without a sweat with the Sabertooth 990FX, and even better with the Asus Croshair V 990FX.
I have to say you get what you pay for when it comes to just about anything. Also the PCI-e Lanes are x16 and x4, not x16 x16, and not even x16 and x8.. Not that it will make a huge difference, but he did say he was planning on Crossfire correct..???

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 05:15 PM

View PostOdins Fist, on 11 June 2012 - 05:11 PM, said:

Well as far as that goes, the ASROCK mobo you put up technically isn't even full ATX it might as well have been classified (Skinny ATX) check the dimensions, and as far as going cheap (and i'm not really saying that mobo is the worst), but trying to save money on a mobo can be hit or miss, and I can absolutlely guarantee that I can clock above whatever that ASRock mobo can do without a sweat with the Sabertooth 990FX, and even better with the Asus Croshair V 990FX.
I have to say you get what you pay for when it comes to just about anything. Also the PCI-e Lanes are x16 and x4, not x16 x16, and not even x16 and x8.. Not that it will make a huge difference, but he did say he was planning on Crossfire correct..???

While yes, he did say so, it is generally a better idea to run a single faster GPU as some games have driver issues with crossfire, as you know. In which case we can bump down the GPU to a 7770 for the driver support and higher Xfire scaling vs the 6870 http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814127678, and bump up to an Asrock Extreme4 http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813157266 , Fatal1ty Professional http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813157267, or a high end Asus board. You'll OC higher on the higher end Asrock boards, just like you will on the higher end Asus boards.... the Extreme 3 970 isn't exactly one of Asrock's "high end". It's a mid-low end mobo.

Edited by Vulpesveritas, 11 June 2012 - 05:19 PM.


#31 Odins Fist

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 05:27 PM

Then maybe if he doesn't want to spend $180.00 the GIGABYTE GA-990FXA-UD3 AM3+ AMD 990FX for $139.00 on NewEgg would meet somewhere closer to the middle.
If it was me building a mid to high end system I wouldn't go any lower in Mobo standard than the Gigabyte board, but that is just what I would or wouldn't do for myself, he could always save money for another Video Card in a couple months, and have full x16 x16 crossfire as well when he went that route.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 05:37 PM

I would recommend as a mid-high end board the AsRock extreme 4 990FX for $5 more, but that's me. I prefer Pegatron fab boards to Foxconn fabs, plus you get a few more extras with AsRock and a better UEFI. Not to mention gold caps and japanese capacitors instead of the cheapo capacitors. same x16, x16 option.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 05:57 PM

Thanks for all your help guys! The items and suggestions are all great ideas it's much appreciated i have to say this community is amazing bless you all. !!

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 06:10 PM

Origianlly he was prepared to spend $140.00, and the GIGABYTE GA-990FXA-UD3 AM3+ AMD 990FX fits the bill just fine, and a good friend of mine has been running one of those for months.. Personally, I wouldn't recommend an ASRock mobo $119.00 (skinny ATX) mobo over the Gigabyte board, there just isn't enough improvement over the $84.00 mobo you first put up, regardless of the few added features and extras for running more than 2 video cards, and where do you see cheapo Capacitors, that just isn't so with the Gigabyte board... I would put money on the Gigabyte board outlasting, and outclocking the AsRock board as long as it wasn't abused, and as seeing as how one of my good friends has been running one for months now, I could give a play by play on what he has going.. I mean my brother's son is still running a Gigabyte GA-M57SLI-S4 mobo from years ago with the Athlon 64 x2 6400+ sitting in it with a pair XFX 8600 GT cards... How many AsRock boards are still running from then..LOL Probably a few.

Edited by Odins Fist, 11 June 2012 - 06:12 PM.


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Posted 11 June 2012 - 06:19 PM

View PostOdins Fist, on 11 June 2012 - 06:10 PM, said:

Origianlly he was prepared to spend $140.00, and the GIGABYTE GA-990FXA-UD3 AM3+ AMD 990FX fits the bill just fine, and a good friend of mine has been running one of those for months.. Personally, I wouldn't recommend an ASRock mobo over this $119.00 (skinny ATX) mobo, there just isn't enough improvement over the $84.00 mobo you first put up, regardless of the few added features and extras for running more than 2 video cards, which will drop the PCI-E speed on all of them, and where do you see cheapo Capacitors, that just isn't so with the Gigabyte board... I would put money on the Gigabyte board outlasting, and outclocking the AsRock board as long as it wasn't abused, and as seeing as how one of my good friends has been running one for months now, I could give a play by play on what he has going.. I mean my brother's son is still running a Gigabyte GA-M57SLI-S4 mobo from years ago with the Athlon 64 x2 6400+ sitting in it with a pair XFX 8600 GT cards in it... How many AsRock boards are still running from then..LOL Probably a few.

Probably quite a few. AsRock when they came out were the high-quality name brand for the 'budget' brands, made by Asus to compete there. When it spun off they improved their quality more. ..
and look at the board dude; http://www.newegg.co...20GA-990FXA-UD3
It's $140 vs $145 with the AsRock with japanese gold capped capacitors. while you do retain Japanese capacitors they don't have the long-life plating. The Extreme4 is a full ATX with legacy compatibility as well, if the OP was interested in that in any way. The AsRock board also has a better sound card. And a debug LED strip.

I would personally say it's the better deal given that there's only a $5 difference on newegg.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 06:37 PM

"budget brands"... Enough said, B.T.W. are you running an ASRock mobo..?? And I did look at the Boards "dude", and I still have to say, i'm not sold on the ASRock for myself, the onboard sound shouldn't be an issue, he said he had a sound card for music production, and that is "EXACTLY" what my friend does other than gaming, his name is Axeman here, and he is a musician/recording enthusiast with an sound card with 1/4/everything but XLR inputs for recording, and I do know for a fact the setup on the Gigabyte board was easy as pie for my friend, and he has a Phenom II 960t clocked at 4.22GHz without issue for months now, as he passed on Bulldozer for a $99.00 960t, he is also running 2- ATI 6850 Saphire cards on it.. I just couldn'tbelieve he was using an old 850 watt BFG powersupply that he smoked an M.S.I. Mobo while using it.
I think he just wanted an excuse for a newer Mobo for his LAN rig... LOL

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 06:42 PM

View PostOdins Fist, on 11 June 2012 - 06:37 PM, said:

"budget brands"... Enough said, B.T.W. are you running an ASRock mobo..?? And I did look at the Boards "dude", and I still have to say, i'm not sold on the ASRock for myself, the onboard sound shouldn't be an issue, he said he had a sound card for music production, and that is "EXACTLY" what my friend does other than gaming, his name is Axeman here, and he is a musician/recording enthusiast with an sound card with 1/4/everything but XLR inputs for recording, and I do know for a fact the setup on the Gigabyte board was easy as pie for my friend, and he has a Phenom II 960t clocked at 4.22GHz without issue for months now, as he passed on Bulldozer for a $99.00 960t, he is also running 2- ATI 6850 Saphire cards on it.. I just couldn'tbelieve he was using an old 850 watt BFG powersupply that he smoked an M.S.I. Mobo while using it.
I think he just wanted an excuse for a newer Mobo for his LAN rig... LOL

You don't seem to get the point.
AsRock is no longer a budget brand. They are a stand alone company making motherboards at every price point. Yes they have budget motherboards, but they also make top end motherboards and are the world's third largest motherboard manufacturer behind Asus and Gigabyte.
And that's not what the OP has, and while it won't be an issue, it is a better sound card still, and is slightly better therefore.
For your friend, I would recommend the same for the simple point it is a better deal.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 07:47 PM

I get the point just fine, don't get mad but he said he was going to get a 3rd party sound card/interface for "recording", and I can say this with absolute correctness, "NO" onboard sound is used by any serious musician, nor does it have the correct interfaces, and going off into this direction is kind of getting away from the whole point of the Original Posters request as far as bordering on the point of an "actual" argument.
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"third largest motherboard manufacturer behind Asus and Gigabyte." says coming in at 3rd place for $5.00 more(not that 5 is anything).. In addtion for my friend, he is doing more than just fine with what he "already has" (GIGABYTE GA-990FXA-UD3 AM3+ AMD 990FX) so your recommendtion is bordering on a lightly veiled insult to something that "I", and especially "HE" already know works . So I see no problem in having mulitple recommendations, and i'm not saying "absolutely Avoid at all costs the AsRock MOBO", I was only pointing what what I "know" in practice is already working for the same amount of money the OP said he ws willing to spend. I don't feel the need to get into a (you know what) measuring contest over any of this... On a side note I was into music recording/production, and toured with 3 different bands from 1999 to 2005 as the front man, and was involved heavily in the recording proccess (even some to this very day), and I can tell will all confidence that I have never seen one musician/production that used 3.5 connections (which onboard audio is) used by anyone even remotely serious about recording music tracks, not even with Cool Edit Pro 2 from back in the day...
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I'm sorry if I seemed to go off on a rant, but it seems to me that being as honest, and truthful, using experience and knowledge as the basis for my recommendations shouldn't be treated with the amount of dismissal that (and I may be wrong) seems to be directed at anything I posted as advice. In the industry that I deal with AsRock is "still" considered" a budget quality" Mobo, am I wrong.?? I don't think I am, but I also said I have used them for others, but they were "always" trying to find the budget Mobo... Sorry if that came out in a mean way, it was not intended to be so.

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 07:56 PM

View PostOdins Fist, on 11 June 2012 - 07:47 PM, said:

I get the point just fine, don't get mad but he said he was going to get a 3rd party sound card/interface for "recording", and I can say this with absolute correctness, "NO" onboard sound is used by any serious musician, nor does it have the correct interfaces, and going off into this direction is kind of getting away from the whole point of the Original Posters request as far as bordering on the point of an "actual" argument.
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"third largest motherboard manufacturer behind Asus and Gigabyte." says coming in at 3rd place for $5.00 more(not that 5 is anything).. In addtion for my friend, he is doing more than just fine with what he "already has" (GIGABYTE GA-990FXA-UD3 AM3+ AMD 990FX) so your recommendtion is bordering on a lightly veiled insult to something that "I", and especially "HE" already know works . So I see no problem in having mulitple recommendations, and i'm not saying "absolutely Avoid at all costs the AsRock MOBO", I was only pointing what what I "know" in practice is already working for the same amount of money the OP said he ws willing to spend. I don't feel the need to get into a (you know what) measuring contest over any of this... On a side note I was into music recording/production, and toured with 3 different bands from 1999 to 2005 as the front man, and was involved heavily in the recording proccess (even some to this very day), and I can tell will all confidence that I have never seen one musician/production that used 3.5 connections (which onboard audio is) used by anyone even remotely serious about recording music tracks, not even with Cool Edit Pro 2 from back in the day...
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I'm sorry if I seemed to go off on a rant, but it seems to me that being as honest, and truthful, using experience and knowledge as the basis for my recommendations shouldn't be treated with the amount of dismissal that (and I may be wrong) seems to be directed at anything I posted as advice. In the industry that I deal with AsRock is "still" considered" a budget quality" Mobo, am I wrong.?? I don't think I am, but I also said I have used them for others, but they were "always" trying to find the budget Mobo... Sorry if that came out in a mean way, it was not intended to be so.

I felt that you are saying that all AsRock motherboards are budget boards and subpar in performance. I'm not saying specifically for your friend, I thought you were referring to your friend as not having bought it already, I see I misread that. However, the point on the integrated sound is not for your friend but in consideration for the OP. I feel that you are misunderstanding my point as well. What I am saying is that an AsRock motherboard which gives you more extras compared to a similarly priced Gigabyte board, with just as high quality parts and gold caps for the capacitors, is going to be of a better value for the OP and therefore I believe a better decision for the small $5 difference.
Going with only what someone "knows" works causes the lack of moving forward, as reluctance to change leads to reluctance for improvement.
And while I won't go on an ethics spiel, last time I checked Gigabyte was manufactured by Foxconn if that is of any consideration for the OP.
As far as being considered budget quality.... I don't quite understand whether it is within those you trade with, as what I have found through hardware enthusiast channels that AsRock has greatly increased their quality in the last couple of years. Maybe it takes some time for retailers to consider it the same, but eh.

And by 3rd place that is in sales.... not sure how you get that 3rd place means 3rd rate quality or the like....

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Posted 11 June 2012 - 08:19 PM

"Going with only what someone "knows" works causes the lack of moving forward, as reluctance to change leads to reluctance for improvement."
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Now hold the phone right there, there is absolutely no reluctance in movng "FORWARD", But anything that is current that does not either perform better, or offer any kind of reliability or longevity, or is not proven by a good margin to be a contender (even when you have worked with the product in question), deserves a bit of scutiny, and "experience" trumps speculation any day of week, month. or year regardless of a few extra features on the almost same exact PCB (84 to 119 AsRock board). My statement of "budget quality" is just that, my customers while wanting an Asus Crosshair V 990FX performance, usually give me a budget that would fit a Biostar Micro ATX board, or AsRock mobo. That is the same kind of "advice" that I was trying to give the OP on his build questions, and I would "never" try to give advice to someone based on personal bias "UNLESS" I knew for a fact what works, and has a proven track record (was current or newer tech), and in this case, I have exactly that for what the OP was asking for in the first place. Not to sound mean, but ASRock boards are not considered the best for the money in either the circles I run in, our the industry I work with.. Please don't take that as any kind of insult at all.
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I am not saying you would do the contrary, "BUT" do you know anyone that is running the Mobo you recommeded with almost the "exact" same specifications that that "I" had recommeded, and what the OP was looking for in his first post..?? I do, and I feel being almost dismissed kind of hurtful, don't worry I won't feel personally attacked over it, but everyone has feelings, and I might need a shoulder to cry on... LOL Just Kidding.. "smiles"





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