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[Ph30nix]

Tesuine you keep arguing that there is something wrong with ac/2 chain fire. There is nothing wrong with it either with or without a macro.

You can not fire a single individual ac/2 faster then the 0.5 fire rate of the weapon (0.45(ish?) if you have the mech skill for faster fire)
you can replicate this rapid fire effect without any macros and its actually what i do so i have more flexibility.
put all your ac/2's into group 1
in groups 2 thru 6 put weapons 2 thru 6 (one in each of course)
drum your fingers over numbers 2-6 then hold mouse 1.
chain fire without macro ftw. And if you decide you would rather do group fire then you just use mouse one only.

the current chain fire mechanic in this game is a complete joke. What would be the point of using the in game chain fire at its 0.5 delay when the weapon i am firing has a 0.5 second delay? (less again with the skill)

The chain fire ac/2's is nothing more then a scare tactic and a diversion nothing more if your torso twisting and piloting well it will do far less damage then a single group fire salvo can do. again as others have pointed out 5 ac/2's is 10 damage a salvo with 2 salvos per second for a total of 20 damage a second. That hurts.

[PanzerMagier]

Tesunie, on 29 July 2013 - 08:29 AM, said:

I feel that out of game macros should be considered bad for the game. I've been seeing more and more of these 3rd party programs in the game as of late, particularly in the instances of 4-5 AC2 Jagermechs. I don't feel it's right when they get to shoot faster than the sound card can create the sounds of their gun shooting. They are spamming shots faster than the game normally permits in chain fire mode, and I can't even begin to replicate it with my old mouse and finger pushing.

Tesunie, on 29 July 2013 - 09:06 AM, said:

How about you provide your feelings on the subject, instead of being rude? I'm asking "how does it feel to you?" "What's your opinion on this?" I'm not asking for any changes, nor am I saying it's cheating. I'm stating, as I've asked you and everyone else, what my own feelings are on the subject.

Djeez op did you even read your own original post? If you presented a more transparent non convoluted original post simply asking our opinion on it, I might have approached this subject in a more civilised manner.

But since you're out right lying, contradicting yourself and then accusing me of being a brute for simply showing you how ignorant you are...

I simply figured you're here to QQ how a quad ac2 cataphract/jager made you cry...

As for my 2c on the matter of ac2's and macros. Dakka builds are fun, they exist in battletech and should DEFINITELY exist here. If PGI can't code us a customizable chainfire system then people are more than welcome to use macros. Gamers like their toys, surround sound, gaming keyboards and mouses etc... They can all give the player a slight advantage, but all the gaming gear in the world won't save you if you just outright suck. In the first place, quad ac2 mechs are really hard to play, if you're complaining they're too strong then you just got beat down by a veteran player, which would have likely killed you with any other mech.

[Tesunie]

KuruptU4Fun, on 30 July 2013 - 07:45 AM, said:

The jamming factor is timing based, if you want to run the risk of the weapon jamming, by all means fire it before it's completely cooled down. That's the way the weapon was built, high risk, high reward. Do macros take some advantage in that, yes. Should a customized chain fire be in game, certainly, just don't hold your breath.

One of the bigger reasons why I don't like that idea is that it leaves an opportunity to have a little light on your screen notify you that your Alpha strike is ready automatically since you've timed your chain fire to do that.

Tesunie, Are you using DPS as Damage Per Shot or Damage Per Second?

I'm wondering where you get some "feel" that the example I gave above that as 4 A/C 2 set can fire takes an additional .5 (for a total of 2.5) seconds using chain fire instead of a macro. As opposed to my example of firing 4 A/C 2's at one full cycle 2 seconds using a macro.

So chain fire cycling thru 4 rounds is 2.5 seconds total and my macro only takes 2 seconds. Where is your support to show that chain fire takes that additional time? The normal reload time for an AC2 is .5 seconds.

A Macro can only do what I've stated above that cannot be done in game yet. Maximizing fire with an UA/C to keep lower the chance to jam and keeping TAG running constantly.

You keep forgetting that Chain Fire (just holding down the button to fire a single weapon, one weapon at a time, along the chain, till it gets back to the first weapon in the chain that fired, and then repeating) will shoot 4 AC2 shots in 2 full seconds. However, a Macro will shoot 16 shots, shooting the next AC2 as soon as it's ready to fire. This means that, for a SINGLE press of the fire button, a Macro out preforms the Chain Fire system already in the game.

How I came up with 16 shots in 2 seconds? Each AC2 takes 0.5 (or 0.48 if you have the skill, but I'll ignore that for now) to reload and be ready to fire again. If you have 4 AC2s, and each one shoots exactly 0.125 seconds apart, by the time the last AC2 fires, your first one is off cool down and ready to shoot again.

The Maths:
Macro: 0.125+0.125+0.125+0.1255=0.5 (the total is the reload and cool down time for a single AC2. This means that the first AC2 you fired would be off cool down as you fire the last AC2.)

Chain Fire: 0.5+0.5+0.5+0.5=2.0 (4 shots, one fore each AC2 if you have 4 of them. Well past the standard cool down time of an AC2.)

Group Fire: Well... all shots fire and reload at the same time. 0.5 seconds. (Or whatever the cool down of the weapon happens to be.)

With Chain Fire, it will shoot a single shot every 0.5 second. Or a Macro shots a shot every 0.125 second. A shot every 0.125 second or a shot every 0.5 second? Which one has more DPS (Damage Per Second)? A Macro will chain fire your AC2s at almost (there is some initial delay) the same DPS as group fired AC2s, which will shoot all 4 (in this example) AC2s every 0.5 seconds into the same location.

However, the underlining advantage of a Macro fired AC2 over a Group Fired or Chain Fired AC2 is it's ability to:
- Shake it's target (an abillity that was reduced, and is now possibly being exploited, but I don't think that's much of a problem)
- Smoke the target's visuals (which can be a problem, as no other caliber of AC does this, even though they are bigger)
- Provide the AC2 to be able to trace (lead into, track, slowly be adjusted to hit) a target, especially faster targets.
- Provides better "damage tick" than a standard laser (Every hit is 2 damage, compared to a laser where every splash hit is... a lot less.)

I'm not comparing Damage Per Shot, as a single hit (shot) is going to do the same amount of damage. All I'm saying is, a Macro does just a little less DPS than a group fire shot will do (or in the span of a full 0.5 second, the same DPS), with less convergence, but will provide other advantages over normal chain fire from in game and group fire. It shoots faster for a single click than chain fire. It permits you to trace and track your shots unlike group fire. And the only DPS you are loosing is in the first 3 shots of a Macro shooting when compared to group fire (presuming you can stay on target for the whole of the duration).

According to my Spreadsheetwarrior math, doing just the math and excluding such things as dodging and missing, a Macro causes the same max DPS as group fire does, and a lot less than standard chain fire. It gains benefits of the laser, which better tick damage than a laser, worse heat, and ammo constraints. A Macro also does what the gimmick version does, but better and more perfectly time, with less effort and less concentration. A Macro looses the convergence (everything damages one pin point location) over Group Fire, while keeping the same DPS. (It also can save more ammo, as (in this theory a standing still target) you can stop shooting as soon as your target is down, instead of group firing possibly more shots than you need. Can also waste ammo too.)

Thus, unless you can prove otherwise, excluding such factors that can't be reliably calculated as dodging, missing and the like, I'll still stand by my math. So far, you keep saying things, and I'm not seeing much of your math. Now, at the same time, I do realize my own math could be wrong, and if so, inform me where my math is incorrect. (I'm also comparing ease of use. A single, held down button. What similar effects can you get with a single button click that you click and hold. That least you with three options. Group Fire. Chain Fire. Macro. They are all the same "difficulty" to use.)

(I also recall a hiccup or delay between last and first weapons in the cycle when I last was using chain fire for AC shots. Don't know if they fixed that, but it was a huge complaint back when the Jagermech first came out. If that delay is

Ph30nix, on 30 July 2013 - 08:09 AM, said:

Tesuine you keep arguing that there is something wrong with ac/2 chain fire. There is nothing wrong with it either with or without a macro.

You can not fire a single individual ac/2 faster then the 0.5 fire rate of the weapon (0.45(ish?) if you have the mech skill for faster fire)
you can replicate this rapid fire effect without any macros and its actually what i do so i have more flexibility.
put all your ac/2's into group 1
in groups 2 thru 6 put weapons 2 thru 6 (one in each of course)
drum your fingers over numbers 2-6 then hold mouse 1.
chain fire without macro ftw. And if you decide you would rather do group fire then you just use mouse one only.

the current chain fire mechanic in this game is a complete joke. What would be the point of using the in game chain fire at its 0.5 delay when the weapon i am firing has a 0.5 second delay? (less again with the skill)

The chain fire ac/2's is nothing more then a scare tactic and a diversion nothing more if your torso twisting and piloting well it will do far less damage then a single group fire salvo can do. again as others have pointed out 5 ac/2's is 10 damage a salvo with 2 salvos per second for a total of 20 damage a second. That hurts.

No. You can't fire a SINGLE AC2 faster than it's cool down. However, you can, with a Macro, fire a set of AC2s so that they are timed to have the last one fire as the first one just gets off cool down. Giving you just as good of DPS as group fire. Oh, and Macros can do it with a single click, not a gimmick that requires time and concentration to preform. Oh, and your gimmick still wont be perfectly timed to fire each AC as fast as possible, giving a continuous stream of fire, while at the same time having the last shot be when your first is cooled off perfectly. It might be closer, leaving a gap in your shooting (which wouldn't be bad for DPS) or you might have too great of a delay, resulting in less DPS than a Macro. Got to consider human imperfection when you consider this.

If the Chain Fire mechanic in game is so bad... why not suggest to PGI some changes? Give them some ideas maybe to help improve the game? It doesn't hurt to suggest something to improve the game. Present the facts in a clear way, explain why you would like to see a feature enter into the game, and see what they say.

[Doomstryke]

fun fact that no one seems to know about. Set your weapons in chain fire you can then click the same group as fast as you want to make it cycle through. In other word set weapon group 1 to chain fire and weapon group 2 to be alpha on right mouse button

left click 4 times real fast and hold right mouse button. even easier and saves you on weapon groups in case you have something else.... literly nice and quick lm click, click, click, click, hold rm

As for TAG PGI stated about 2 or 3 months back they are working on a toggle switch for tag so that is coming and people are just finding ways around it to make it happen sooner...(should have never been released without the toggle in first place)

[Galenit]

Agent 0 Fortune, on 29 July 2013 - 09:15 AM, said:

I'm not suggesting there is anything wrong with AC2, I am just pointing out that the reason they wrecks mechs has nothing to do with a 3rd party macro.

Most weapons have around 2,5 to 4 times the damage they have in tt.
We have the small lasers and ac5, uac5 with around 10 times the tt damage and then there is the ac2.

MWO AC2 40 damage in 10 seconds, thats 20 times the original damage.

2 times armor is not that much against 2,5-4 times the damage without randomhitlocations.

But 20 times the damage against 2x armor without randomhitlocations is to much.
And thats the reason why your mech plop against multiple AC2s that fast.

Edited by Galenit, 30 July 2013 - 10:55 AM.

[Ph30nix]

people have suggested changes to the current chain fire mechanic. PGI knows its a POS but they have more important things to work on and they know people already have work arounds for it.

Also the only weapon it really screws over is the AC/2's every other weapon people are okay with the current delay since it helps manage their heat.

Also the smoke/shake isnt the fault of macros or the AC/2's which as annoying and debilitating as those are there is nothing wrong with them either. You should have seen MW4 online..... now that game had a horrifying level of shake/smoke.

oh and just wait until they implement the Mauler or another mech capable of handling even more and larger AC's. Just wait till you experience a viable 4 AC/5/UAC/5 chain fire or a 6 ac/2 build that has zero draw backs over that mechs other possible builds. (jagers suffer horribly to be able to carry more then 4 ac/2's at the moment)

Edited by Ph30nix, 30 July 2013 - 11:17 AM.

[Barfing Gopher]

Geez, use the build/macro for yourself before you post a QQ thread about it, you know what advantage ppl get out of a macro for ac's? None, they actually take a hit to their accuracy, if they group fired they would land all 4-6 shots in the same place, in reality you would have been dead much sooner. It sounds cool, gives ppl the illusion of a machine gun that actually WORKS. That's pretty much all, I've fought against ppl with the AC/2 macro and I've died from them on occasion, but the bottom line is this, you can't make the weapon fire faster than the cooldown cycle, so you could just as easily rolled your fingers over the buttons one time then held them down and gotten the same effect.

[KuruptU4Fun]

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You keep forgetting that Chain Fire (just holding down the button to fire a single weapon, one weapon at a time, along the chain, till it gets back to the first weapon in the chain that fired, and then repeating) will shoot 4 AC2 shots in 2 full seconds. However, a Macro will shoot 16 shots, shooting the next AC2 as soon as it's ready to fire. This means that, for a SINGLE press of the fire button, a Macro out preforms the Chain Fire system already in the game.

Oh Tesuine I would love to see how you can prove (or get info from PGI showing this) that a software macro to alter my keyboard commands can go into their servers and alter the cool down rate from .5 seconds to .125. Which if you can, I'd be more than happy to submit my name for hacking PGI's servers and breaking the ToS's I had to sign before playing the game.

Edited by KuruptU4Fun, 30 July 2013 - 11:31 AM.

[Barfing Gopher]

Kurupt, I hate to break it to you but he is correct there, if you put all 4 of the ac/2's into a SINGLE group and put them in chain fire it will fire at less than half the speed of putting them into the 2,3,4,5 groups and using a macro. But even if you use the macro it will still fire less accurately and slower than just putting all 4 into a single group and firing all at once.

Of course you could do the same thing with your own hand, just "roll" your fingers over the fire buttons and hold them down, the same effect would happen. This complaint isn't about a problem, it's about the fact that mommies widdle precious got killed and heard a scawy noise when it happened so that person is cheating.

Edited by Barfing Gopher, 30 July 2013 - 11:38 AM.

[Tesunie]

PanzerMagier, on 30 July 2013 - 09:12 AM, said:

Djeez op did you even read your own original post? If you presented a more transparent non convoluted original post simply asking our opinion on it, I might have approached this subject in a more civilised manner.

But since you're out right lying, contradicting yourself and then accusing me of being a brute for simply showing you how ignorant you are...

I simply figured you're here to QQ how a quad ac2 cataphract/jager made you cry...

As for my 2c on the matter of ac2's and macros. Dakka builds are fun, they exist in battletech and should DEFINITELY exist here. If PGI can't code us a customizable chainfire system then people are more than welcome to use macros. Gamers like their toys, surround sound, gaming keyboards and mouses etc... They can all give the player a slight advantage, but all the gaming gear in the world won't save you if you just outright suck. In the first place, quad ac2 mechs are really hard to play, if you're complaining they're too strong then you just got beat down by a veteran player, which would have likely killed you with any other mech.

Let me show you the second to LAST paragraph of my original post:

Tesunie, on 29 July 2013 - 08:29 AM, said:

Mostly, I'm posting this asking, what are your feelings on this subject? If you know what I'm talking about, how do you feel it is in the game?

Sounds like I'm asking for your opinion on the subject from the start. Doesn't it? When I read that paragraph, and many other statements I've mentioned, it sounds like I'm asking what your feelings are about the subject. Isn't that what I wrote? Don't see no lies there.

Oh, and your statement you last mentioned in this thread?

PanzerMagier, on 29 July 2013 - 08:55 AM, said:

A.) We've had this discussion many times, it's permitted, the devs had said and it's done. A simple bloody search on the forums would do.
B.) Macro chain fire CANNOT "make" your ac 2's fire "faster" than it possible ingame.
C.) you can replicate this effect by placing all your ac2's in 2 fire groups, pressing the buttons at 0.4 second interval, holding them down and then hold the alpha strike button. Your ac2's will fire in a rhythmic pattern. Just not as mathematically perfect as macro's.
D.)The macros can be downloaded online for free, you don't need any extra hardware to use it.
E.) play a quad ac2 jager/cataphract your self. They're extremely difficult to use, ac2's weigh a lot, consume ammo too fast and generate ridiculous amounts of heat.

Now please, shut up OP and stop mongering your ignorance on others.

1. Did I say is isn't permitted? I believe I mentioned that I already know PGI's ruling on the matter. And, I could search and comment into a thread that could be dead and months old. And then, I'd have you probably yelling at me to leave a dead thread alone.
2. Did I say it fired faster than the ingame cool down of the weapon? I believe I compared it to the chain fire mechanic in game, and how a Macro can shoot your weapons faster than the chain fire mechanic does. Am I wrong? For a SINGLE CLICK OF A BUTTON, a Macro can shoot your weapon faster (or slower) than the chain fire mechanic. That, is my comparison. What else can you do with a single click of a button? Group fire? Read my other posts on this and the last page, where I start to spreadsheetwarrior this.
3. And that's the problem. A Macro will be precise in it's timing. This increases the amount of fire you can do a lot easier. Now if the chain fire mechanic could replicate this macro with a single click with as much timing...
4. And, how do I know it doesn't have a virus? What if it doesn't work with my software or hardware I own? Should I have to go out of my way to download a 3rd party program just to be able to play the game (exaggerating a bit there).
5. I have. It is. Especially when Chain Fire back when I did use it was not working as intended and had a hiccup/delay when it went to restart the cycle. I'm presuming they fixed that? Or is it still there when you hold the button down with chain fire?


Now, on to the "lieing and changing my story" part. My original response to your original post in this thread (so we have the whole story out in the open):

Tesunie, on 29 July 2013 - 09:06 AM, said:

How about you provide your feelings on the subject, instead of being rude? I'm asking "how does it feel to you?" "What's your opinion on this?" I'm not asking for any changes, nor am I saying it's cheating. I'm stating, as I've asked you and everyone else, what my own feelings are on the subject.

Shall I put you down as "It's okay because PGI said it's okay"? Or do you have any personal feelings on the matter that might be counter to what PGI says, even if you know it wont change?

And yes, I know it's been discussed before. Guess what I mentioned that I know PGI has said it's okay in my original post? I'm asking for opinions is all. Not for things to be regurgitated from another thread back at me about what PGI said on the matter.

Personally, telling me to "Shut up" seemed kinda rude to me. Reasonable, no? Restating my original statement in my original post, again, I'm looking for your opinion on Macros in the game. For the most part, I've been hearing that people would like chain fire to be more customizable, or something on that lines, so we can emulate the Macro completely in game.

Saying it feels like cheating and saying it IS cheating, are two different things. I'm saying, it doesn't feel right, and it feels like a cheat. However, I'm not going to call it cheating, as there are some imperfect ways in the game to reproduce a similar effect. Also, PGI said it's not cheating, so it isn't cheating then. However, I'm still, once more going to say it, asking for opinions on the subject matter. How do you feel about Macros? Do you think this is a feature that should/could be included into the game? Would you like to see it maybe in the game?

I feel, if they want to permit it into the game, then they should make plans to place it into the game so everyone can equally use such a feature. Just how my feelings are on the subject matter now. (Some people here have changed my mind a little on the matter, so yes, my opinion changed slightly. It's called convincing someone of something.)

Doomstryke, on 30 July 2013 - 10:31 AM, said:

fun fact that no one seems to know about. Set your weapons in chain fire you can then click the same group as fast as you want to make it cycle through. In other word set weapon group 1 to chain fire and weapon group 2 to be alpha on right mouse button

left click 4 times real fast and hold right mouse button. even easier and saves you on weapon groups in case you have something else.... literly nice and quick lm click, click, click, click, hold rm

As for TAG PGI stated about 2 or 3 months back they are working on a toggle switch for tag so that is coming and people are just finding ways around it to make it happen sooner...(should have never been released without the toggle in first place)

I know about that trick. Use it with my LRMs all the time.. But that takes more effort and concentration than just pressing and holding a single button a macro achieves. Even that run around gimmick wouldn't give you the mathimatical perfection of a Macro, espesually when used with UACs in mind as well.

As for TAG, it's announced, then I feel it's okay to emulate an intended future feature through other means. It's not like it's never going to be in the game. My standing (now) on the subject is, if they are going to let it be done by a 3rd party program, you might as well announce it as a planned feature, just like the TAG toggle.

[Desdain]

Tesunie, on 29 July 2013 - 08:29 AM, said:

I feel that out of game macros should be considered bad for the game. I've been seeing more and more of these 3rd party programs in the game as of late, particularly in the instances of 4-5 AC2 Jagermechs. I don't feel it's right when they get to shoot faster than the sound card can create the sounds of their gun shooting. They are spamming shots faster than the game normally permits in chain fire mode, and I can't even begin to replicate it with my old mouse and finger pushing.

I heard that macroers can write a virus to infect your PC if you get hit by a macro'd bullet.

True story.


P.S.
You better run a virus check.

[Barfing Gopher]

You know what...... I give up, this guy would whine if you ran him over in a brand new Ferrari. Macros are part of the game, anyone can download them and use them for free, or you could just do it by putting all of your weapons into seperate groups and firing them all in a rotating pattern, either way, totally doable for any person with the capacity to exchange O2 and C02. No matter how fast they go, and they can't EVER fire faster than just alpha firing 4 ac'2's they still lose accuracy so using the macro is really a self-nerf. If they are some kind of crime then PGI better start cracking down on anyone with a video card that can run the game in a higher resolution than you or at a higher framerate, because THOSE things actually matter. Basically to satisfy you they would have to delete the accounts of everyone that has a better skill level of you, because "Mommy sais dat I am be a pwincess and evwebody has to do what I want!" And if they did that sadly there would be NOBODY left, if you can't evade/shift your mech to absorbe the hail of AC/2 fire then you are wasting your time and ours playing/posting about this game. Go back to legos where mommy can convince you that every time you manage to get 2 to stick it's the greatest masterpiece evar!!!! But you have a great day and be sure to talk **** on your way out!

[Tesunie]

Barfing Gopher, on 30 July 2013 - 11:17 AM, said:

Geez, use the build/macro for yourself before you post a QQ thread about it, you know what advantage ppl get out of a macro for ac's? None, they actually take a hit to their accuracy, if they group fired they would land all 4-6 shots in the same place, in reality you would have been dead much sooner. It sounds cool, gives ppl the illusion of a machine gun that actually WORKS. That's pretty much all, I've fought against ppl with the AC/2 macro and I've died from them on occasion, but the bottom line is this, you can't make the weapon fire faster than the cooldown cycle, so you could just as easily rolled your fingers over the buttons one time then held them down and gotten the same effect.

Actually... it can improve their accuracy, causing at least some damage compared to possibly none, especially against faster targets. It can also possibly cause more damage to a stationary target than group fired, depending upon how long they are stationary... (AKA: Mech stands still for 0.8 seconds. Group fire, that would be one group and then he's on the move. With Macro, if say you have the 4 AC2s, that could be 6(ish) shots instead before the target starts to move again. That's an extra 4 damage that a group fire might have missed against the moving target. This is very minor and nitpicky, but is possible.)

You make some good points, but rolling your fingers over the numbers is more fingers dedicated to shooting fast, and less to movement and dodging. Macros make it very simple to preform the given same task, as it requires only one press and hold of a button.

I've been beaten, and I've won, against the said build. I'm not scared of it. I was just thinking, with that rate of fire, something seemed odd. I wanted to know what others thought of the issue, if they even considered is as an issue. I wanted to know why they considered it an issue or not, and if they feel it is an issue, what could be done as ideas to make it into a non-issue. No QQ (I wasn't demanding they be removed, merely mentioned my own thoughts and opinions on the subject).

KuruptU4Fun, on 30 July 2013 - 11:30 AM, said:

Oh Tesuine I would love to see how you can prove (or get info from PGI showing this) that a software macro to alter my keyboard commands can go into their servers and alter the cool down rate from .5 seconds to .125. Which if you can, I'd be more than happy to submit my name for hacking PGI's servers and breaking the ToS's I had to sign before playing the game.

Um... you keep mentioning cool down and breaking it. I'm mentioning shooting enough weapons to time it so that they shoot faster than the 0.5 wait time of chain fire, while still having the first weapon be off cool down when it comes to fire that weapon again. Think in sets, not in individual weapons. Yes, one weapon takes 0.5 seconds to cool down. But how many other weapons can you shoot while that one cools down? It's a matter of timing.

Gopher got what I'm saying:

Barfing Gopher, on 30 July 2013 - 11:36 AM, said:

Kurupt, I hate to break it to you but he is correct there, if you put all 4 of the ac/2's into a SINGLE group and put them in chain fire it will fire at less than half the speed of putting them into the 2,3,4,5 groups and using a macro. But even if you use the macro it will still fire less accurately and slower than just putting all 4 into a single group and firing all at once.

Of course you could do the same thing with your own hand, just "roll" your fingers over the fire buttons and hold them down, the same effect would happen. This complaint isn't about a problem, it's about the fact that mommies widdle precious got killed and heard a scawy noise when it happened so that person is cheating.

And I would have liked his post, if he didn't add in that last sentence... As I'm not worried about these mechs, and I'm not QQing and wanting it removed or anything. I'm asking for opinions, thoughts and feelings about them. If I got upset for every thing that killed me, I'd, well... probably never be playing this game after the 4 match of playing. I'm asking for opinions. What do you think about Macros? Especially in comparison to Chain Fire? Should/could something be changed or added in so anyone who plays this game can have access to this same mechanic as those with a 3rd party program? What do YOU think about it?

A QQ thread would probably sound more like this, erhum, "I got creamed by this over powered 6 PPC mech! He one shot me! I wanted PPCs (or that mech, insert whichever) nerfed!" I'm not asking for nerfing. I'm not even complaining that people are using it. I'm just asking what others feel about it. To me, it still kinda feels like it isn't right and should either be made available to everyone in the game, or no one should have it. PGI already said it's okay, so lets work off that. If PGI says it's okay, then the only other thing we can suggest is for them to consider creating a function similar in game or change an existing function and improve it's abilities.

[Hexenhammer]

Desdain, on 30 July 2013 - 11:46 AM, said:

I heard that macroers can write a virus to infect your PC if you get hit by a macro'd bullet.

True story.


P.S.
You better run a virus check.

Tru' 'dat!

Every time I shoot someone with my macro AC/2s I infect them with e-rage! Symptoms include contradictory statements, defensive posts, and a need to call players that use macros useless no talent hacks that need to learn how to play the game 'correctly'.

And that is why macros are op. they make players rage!!!

Edited by Hexenhammer, 30 July 2013 - 12:21 PM.

[The6047]

Ugh... People are still complaining about this, I don't get it. Setting up different chain fire groups can emulate a macro pretty well, try it, get better, instead of complaining. If you do not have a mouse with thumb buttons or macro ability you can hardly call yourself a gamer anyways. G**O

I am tired of reading the same thing every other thread.

[Hexenhammer]

And this thread has been rendered moot after the new patch. I ran the same tests as before. If you make two groups of 2 AC/2s each and stagger the chain fire to simulate a macro you can fire get 19 rounds off before the mech over heats. But if you alpha strike the same 4 AC/2s you can get 80 rounds off before over heating.


Sounds like the heat system is working.
Alpha strikes with 4 AC/2s doesn't trigger a heat penalty but chain firing the same AC2s in two different groups does.

Edited by Hexenhammer, 30 July 2013 - 07:31 PM.

[Tesunie]

Hexenhammer, on 30 July 2013 - 07:29 PM, said:

And this thread has been rendered moot after the new patch. I ran the same tests as before. If you make two groups of 2 AC/2s each and stagger the chain fire to simulate a macro you can fire get 19 rounds off before the mech over heats. But if you alpha strike the same 4 AC/2s you can get 80 rounds off before over heating.


Sounds like the heat system is working.
Alpha strikes with 4 AC/2s doesn't trigger a heat penalty but chain firing the same AC2s in two different groups does.

Well... I guess that solved that.

Wait? They placed a heat penalty on AC2s as well? Really? Didn't see that one coming, but I guess they might as well. They did to everything else. I wonder how many AC2s you can fire before the heat penalty kicks in?

Sad part is, I didn't mind the Macro that much, I just wanted it in the game if they intended to permit it...

[Hexenhammer]

Tesunie, on 30 July 2013 - 07:54 PM, said:

Well... I guess that solved that.

Wait? They placed a heat penalty on AC2s as well? Really? Didn't see that one coming, but I guess they might as well. They did to everything else. I wonder how many AC2s you can fire before the heat penalty kicks in?

Sad part is, I didn't mind the Macro that much, I just wanted it in the game if they intended to permit it...

To answer your last question. The answer is sort of kinda maybe yes. PGI said they had no problems with macros when players used macros to defeat the UAC/5's unjamming mechanic; Make a macro and the jam is cleared in milliseconds and anyone not using the mechanic is penalized and that's why I didn't use UAC/5s.

So this where does this leave us? Not sure but I ran some tests on m AC/2 jager and here are the results.

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Jager DD
235 XL
15 DHS

Forest Colony

4 AC/2s Alpha strike till overheated. 80 rounds fired.

4 AC/2s one AC set up on 3,4,5,6. alpha strike set up on button 1. started the cycle with 3,4,5,6, kept fire rate up with button 1. 19 rounds fired. No macro used.

4ac/2s fired on a macro. 19 rounds fired before shut down.

4 AC/2s one AC set up on 3,4,5,6. alpha strike set up on button 1. started the cycle with 3,4,5. Kept fire rate up with button 1. 18 rounds fired. No macro used.

4 AC/2s , 2 AC/2s groups of 2 staggered chain fire. 19 rounds fired. No macro needed

3 AC/2 one AC set up on 4,5,6. alpha strike set up on button 1. started the cycle with 4,5,6 maintained fire rate with button 1. 19 rounds fired no macro used.

3 AC/2s fired on a macro. 20 rounds fired before shut down.

A bit messy but there we go.

If a person chain fires 3 or 4 AC/2s too fast they over heat after 19-20 rounds but if the same person alpha strikes with 4 AC/2s they can get 80 rounds off before overheating.

[MustrumRidcully]

Hexenhammer, on 30 July 2013 - 07:29 PM, said:

And this thread has been rendered moot after the new patch. I ran the same tests as before. If you make two groups of 2 AC/2s each and stagger the chain fire to simulate a macro you can fire get 19 rounds off before the mech over heats. But if you alpha strike the same 4 AC/2s you can get 80 rounds off before over heating.


Sounds like the heat system is working.
Alpha strikes with 4 AC/2s doesn't trigger a heat penalty but chain firing the same AC2s in two different groups does.

Wait, that doesn't seem to make sense - group-firing AC/2s produce no extra heat, but chain-firing does? Or macro-firing? Since when is this intended?

[Hexenhammer]

MustrumRidcully, on 31 July 2013 - 02:39 AM, said:

Wait, that doesn't seem to make sense - group-firing AC/2s produce no extra heat, but chain-firing does? Or macro-firing? Since when is this intended?

That's my point. Something is borked.

It started last patch and this patch made it even worse.