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[Karyudo ds]

Flawless, on 01 August 2013 - 08:45 AM, said:

Not really a fan of 3pv, But At least they are testing it out in the test servers before pushing live. It just seems to take away from the "Simulation" feeling of the game that makes it so appealing in the first place to a Mechwarrior fan.

Funny thing about it removing the "simulation" aspect is that nearly (if not) all actual commerical simulation games feature 3rd person cameras. Not that Mechwarrior has ever had simulator depth anyway, but still not a big stretch.

Huge, on 01 August 2013 - 09:04 AM, said:

So expanding the market while completely obliterating a core pillar of the game's design.

At least we're not taking about a pillar that's been in any Mechwarrior beyond the original though. Granted you could often force it off in server settings. Sort of hope that's the idea here at least.

Granted I would prefer Mechwarrior to evolve a bit but baby steps.

[Huge]

Ed Steele, on 01 August 2013 - 09:18 AM, said:

So, is 3pv mode still going to be a separate game mode, or are we going to be forced to use it unless we want to be at a disadvantage? Can anyone post screenshots of this travesty?

Separate for now. Apparently 1PV only is "Hardcore" mode now.

For now. Until they realize that splitting up the already pitifully small player base into two matchmaking lists is going to lead to no games found or running into the same people 4/5 matches.

The 3PV "feature" is already made and they will never take it out so their only option will be to merge everyone into 1+3PV to keep the illusion the game isn't bleeding players.

[Fishhawk]

Huge, on 01 August 2013 - 09:15 AM, said:

Welp just tried it.

The death of the simulator game is complete. There is massive massive field of vision increase. Aside from the loss of the minimap. You have all relevant information and cursor to aim with.

RIP 1PV

I just played once so far .. and if you think that it's going to kill 1PV, then I want to smoke what you've been smokin'.


BTW, I went back and forth between 1PV and 3PV and the "massive field of vision increase" is FALSE. There is MINIMAL increase, if any. I took screenshots of it that I'll post later. (unless someone else beats me to it)

Edited by Fishhawk, 01 August 2013 - 09:31 AM.

[Weebi]

Jump sniping is made much easier with this mode. You can scan anything above a hill and see movement before you have to leave cover. However accuracy greatly diminishes as when in 3rd person your arms are locked and you seem to have a bit of a reticle shake when moving. You can even peak around corners as well as dodge incoming missiles far easier though. Defiantly easy mode.

Edited by Weebi, 01 August 2013 - 09:28 AM.

[Huge]

Yes I am. I don't like being lied to. I especially don't like being lied to after someone takes my money.

[Grimmnyr]

Huge, on 01 August 2013 - 09:23 AM, said:

Separate for now. Apparently 1PV only is "Hardcore" mode now.

For now. Until they realize that splitting up the already pitifully small player base into two matchmaking lists is going to lead to no games found or running into the same people 4/5 matches.

The 3PV "feature" is already made and they will never take it out so their only option will be to merge everyone into 1+3PV to keep the illusion the game isn't bleeding players.

Well I hope that 3pv brings in the massive amounts of players that they think it will, so they will not have to combine queues. Personally, I would rather sit at the "Searching" screen for 15 minutes than be forced to play against people using 3pv.

[Rina Fujimoto]

PGI, please, for the love of god, listen to me.

The default FOV for 1PV is god awful.

This is what's throwing off new players so much, it's absolutely absolutely terrible, and the worst part is they have NO way of knowing how to manually change it themselves at all without visiting the forum, and it's even harder now with the restructure.

You said it yourself, that the majority of the playerbase does not visit the forums.

NO ONE who is new to this game will use 1PV because the default FOV is downright INFERIOR in every single way to 3PV.

And as to the people giving feedback, remember, you're not playing in default FOV, your FOV may be fine to you but remember that new players are stuck with the incredibly horrible tiny default FOV, they're going to pick 3PV every single time because this game has no FOV slider despite having been 1 year in production.

If you're really so intent on including 3PV, AT LEAST ADD IN A FOV SLIDER FOR NEW PLAYERS SO THAT 1PV CAN BE A VIABLE ALTERNATIVE.

[Gallowglas]

3PV is exactly as I speculated it might be. I see no issue with it at all. None. It gives you a situational and marginal advantage and definitely isn't ideal for most combat situations. Case closed and anxieties put to rest for me.

[Tabrias07]

Fishhawk, on 01 August 2013 - 09:25 AM, said:

BTW, I went back and forth between 1PV and 3PV and the "massive field of vision increase" is FALSE. There is MINIMAL increase, if any. I took screenshots of it that I'll post later. (unless someone else beats me to it)

You call this minimal?

[Huge]

Oh. Oh it only gives you tactical advantages and massive FoV increase and lets you see around obstacles.

But its not THAT bad.

[Gallowglas]

Tabrias07, on 01 August 2013 - 09:38 AM, said:

You call this minimal?

Yes.

Sure, you can now see the mech to the left of you, but you aren't able to see what's directly in front of you and don't have the situational awareness that the minimap gives you. It's a tradeoff at best.

Edited by Gallowglas, 01 August 2013 - 09:42 AM.

[Legend_]

Tried it in a few games and it definitely feels more like a disadvantage than an advantage.

Yeah, sure, there's a little bit of extra awareness offered by it but, in my opinion, it's not a huge deal.

FOV isn't a problem, you can't really peek around corners, you can see over the top of things but your drone can also be seen.
It's really not the end days as many people seem to think.

[Fishhawk]

Tabrias07, on 01 August 2013 - 09:38 AM, said:

You call this minimal?

Yes. You basically remove the surrounding cockpit.

[Tabrias07]

Gallowglas, on 01 August 2013 - 09:40 AM, said:

Yes.

Sure, you can now see the mech to the left of you, but you aren't able to see what's directly in front of you and don't have the situational awareness that the minimap gives you. It's a tradeoff at best.

There are 3 mechs in that image you cannot see from cockpit view.

[Fishhawk]

Huge, on 01 August 2013 - 09:39 AM, said:

Oh. Oh it only gives you tactical advantages and massive FoV increase and lets you see around obstacles.

But its not THAT bad.

You guys are seriously smoking something ... Put down the pipe and take a look.

Does it give you a slight advantage? Yeah you can look over low hills.

However, did you notice that you can also see the little 3PV drone from a great distance? You are going to stand out like a sore thumb.

Personally, I wouldn't use 3PV. Maybe in a "Command" position, but in combat it SUCKS.

[D34K]

Was this idea the result of meeting where PGI decided that their community didn't hate them enough already?

What do they think they're doing?

[SleepTrgt]

Also, no map... there goes the Seismic advantage, its a lot harder to smoothly aim as well
3pv is fun to watch but i rather play FPS mode

[Belorion]

Everyone in the drops is like...

"This is no big deal."
"They are like noob targets, I am buying the overload package right now"
"PGI has my support"

I only saw one negative nancy.

[D34K]

Being able too see over hills and around corners is hardly minimal.

[Gallowglas]

chiXu, on 01 August 2013 - 09:41 AM, said:

It's really not the end days as many people seem to think.

But, but...it's DIFFERENT! Change will spell the end of humanity as we know it! All these extra pixels we have now versus the early MW games are RUINING the franchise. Soon an asteroid will hurdle between the Earth and the Moon, unleashing cosmic destruction. When you're forced to battle against Mokks with your sun sword, you'll look back on this conversation and realize I was right.

Seriously, some of you over-react to everything. If you get grape jelly on your toast instead of strawberry, do you proclaim doomsday?

Edited by Gallowglas, 01 August 2013 - 09:47 AM.