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[costi]

The main problem with the Founders' Package, for me, is that supposedly we're expected to use the free months of premium during the closed/open beta time, when not all content will be available.
That is, of course, unless we get a code we can redeem whenever, or simply after open beta and wipe on release (if there is one) we will get all the stuff again.

[Wildcat]

Kobold, on 01 July 2012 - 11:05 AM, said:

There has already been quite a bit of information released, including gameplay videos. Many games don't even have that, just relying on pre-rendered CGI trailers.

I agree, and often takes a giant leap of faith... but with MWO there are plenty of Vids and the one of the Frozen City is quite amazing to watch... and makes you wish you were there playing lol... damnit !!

MWO shows a hell of alot of Potential, and I can see a great many good things coming out of this game...

[Wildcat]

costi, on 01 July 2012 - 11:17 AM, said:

The main problem with the Founders' Package, for me, is that supposedly we're expected to use the free months of premium during the closed/open beta time, when not all content will be available.
That is, of course, unless we get a code we can redeem whenever, or simply after open beta and wipe on release (if there is one) we will get all the stuff again.

I might be Wrong here, But if MWO is anything like other games with Headstart for Preorders, your Free 30/90 Days Actually Starts when the Game is officially Released, same goes for Preorder Subscriptions...

Unless it has been stated otherwise for MWO ?


oops meant to edit my post above... oh well

Edited by Wildcat, 01 July 2012 - 11:23 AM.

[Zynk]

costi, on 01 July 2012 - 11:17 AM, said:

The main problem with the Founders' Package, for me, is that supposedly we're expected to use the free months of premium during the closed/open beta time, when not all content will be available.
That is, of course, unless we get a code we can redeem whenever, or simply after open beta and wipe on release (if there is one) we will get all the stuff again.

No wipe - no foul - no problem.

You get to keep all the experience you earn after 7 Aug, grated it would be nice to have more mech choices but the experience you earn in assult line with an Atlas will apply to the Highlander if you decide to buy it when added.

[Thorgar Wulfson]

i went with the 30 dollar one because it will let me start with the mech i want and not the 4 founders mechs. which while good were never my favs.

[BringMeAle]

costi, on 01 July 2012 - 11:17 AM, said:

The main problem with the Founders' Package, for me, is that supposedly we're expected to use the free months of premium during the closed/open beta time, when not all content will be available.
That is, of course, unless we get a code we can redeem whenever, or simply after open beta and wipe on release (if there is one) we will get all the stuff again.

If I'm understanding this right, the premium is only for the cash and xp you receive post game. Something that you can stock up on and carry over to the game's release.

[Warner]

Well as for me, open beta MUST be before early access and founders pack(FP) to be available till the start of early access. To be clear, I can't understand people that bought FP and dont take part in closed beta. They just paid for fancy videos and some screenshots. I wont pay for something i get for free in some time, i dont need forum icon, premium and ingame currency can be bought later, free mechs can be earned in game. So the only thing that is [color=#000000]meaningful[/color] in this package is early access to the game you know nothing about.

So i dont need this early monetization try from devs, cause i see only atempt to get some easy money from fans.

[Zynk]

Thorgar Wulfson, on 01 July 2012 - 11:29 AM, said:

i went with the 30 dollar one because it will let me start with the mech i want and not the 4 founders mechs. which while good were never my favs.

Granted I'm not a fan of the founders mech's (like Atlas but hate the Hunchback and never liked chicken mech's) but I still get a free mech (wish there where more choices at start) to be my "main" but have the other four will let me get exp in all 4 tpyes (Lt, Med, Lg & assult) plus the extra c-bills will be nice.

If I could have picked the founders mech's from the released info we have my choices would have been;
Commando
Trebuchet
Cataphract
Awesome

Yes I'm biased towards humanoid mech design.

But will make do with what I get.

[Kamikazie]

Theal Swena, on 12 June 2012 - 08:52 AM, said:

I sure hope it'll have an open beta. Or else I might not get to play it until it gets released.

Whats wrong with this statement?


Answer: People just want to play the game not the second word of it which is Beta TEST. The idea is to fix **** not just play it early because you can not wait.

[Rychard Starheart]

^ this

[BigJim]

WerewolfX, on 12 June 2012 - 09:40 AM, said:

Same concept as pre-ordering a game. and for this to be a "Collector's Edition" of sorts my money will be spent on this soon to be fine piece of software.

IDD. I'm a massive UT fan. I've got the UT3 collector's Ed right here in a fat metal tin, loads of gorgeous artwork, extra content DVD, the usual.
I've played like 3 online games since 2008, the DVD has been taken out twice ever.

Compared to that, I think the price of a retail game for founders' is plenty fair tbh, considering it'll get *used*.



*EDIT* Oooh, 99 posts. Must upload photo of my jobbie for the 100th!

Edited by BigJim, 01 July 2012 - 12:09 PM.

[Kyossed]

Warner, on 01 July 2012 - 11:47 AM, said:

Well as for me, open beta MUST be before early access and founders pack(FP) to be available till the start of early access. To be clear, I can't understand people that bought FP and dont take part in closed beta. They just paid for fancy videos and some screenshots. I wont pay for something i get for free in some time, i dont need forum icon, premium and ingame currency can be bought later, free mechs can be earned in game. So the only thing that is [color=#000000]meaningful[/color] in this package is early access to the game you know nothing about.

So i dont need this early monetization try from devs, cause i see only atempt to get some easy money from fans.

I'm having a little trouble understanding you, here. You claim that open beta should be set BEFORE early access? What's the point of having an early access phase at all, if everyone already has the client and is playing by the time early access hits?

Beyond that, there's not much to understand about Founders. We shelled out money to support a game that we liked the idea of. You see the same deal in thousands of indie titles and kickstarter programs. There was a tiered buy in option set, and you could choose how much you wanted to pledge. In return, you are given perks and bonuses, such as useful gameplay accelerators down the road when the game launches, your name in the credits, or even just in-game currency at a 25% discount.

Because I, and several thousand other people, bought into this mini-kickstarter, PGI now has a new reserve of funding to play with. They can tap into that, instead of perhaps being forced to accelerate testing or even launch early because of monetary issues. Every reward you earn is secondary to the reward of having a better game at the end of the development cycle.

edit: trying to fix some wierd font size issues.

Edited by Kyossed, 01 July 2012 - 12:18 PM.

[costi]

BringMeAle, on 01 July 2012 - 11:46 AM, said:

If I'm understanding this right, the premium is only for the cash and xp you receive post game. Something that you can stock up on and carry over to the game's release.

The extra C-bills gained can be stocked for later, I doubt it's the case with XP. I just hope that I can invest these into upgrades that benefit the whole range of Heavy Mechs (I picked a Cat), and not just the Cat.
EDIT: Also, not all skills/modules will probably be available in CBT that will be made available on release, which is another reason why getting the premium account on actual release is preferable.

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Answer: People just want to play the game not the second word of it which is Beta TEST. The idea is to fix **** not just play it early because you can not wait.

Not really. It's advertised as "get access to the game faster", not "give us money so you get to help us fix stuff".
The "help us fix stuff" attitude works right up to the moment where you start asking money from people. As soon as they pay, they become customers, and it's up to them what they do with the product. In particular, you can't force them to file bug reports or provide feedback or stuff like that. If they want to just hop in their Mechs and play, that's all they can do because that's what they paid for - guaranteed early access to the game.
However, their presence on the server will still give a lot of statistical information - server load, which region they log in from, what mechs/weapons/skills etc. are the most popular and which are barely used and so on.

Edited by costi, 01 July 2012 - 01:28 PM.

[FactorlanP]

Sunflare, on 01 July 2012 - 10:45 AM, said:

The maketing sucks because they could have had alot MORE people laying down the cash if they had waited till after open beta so people knew what they were getting. As it is they are absolutly LOSING sales becaus of this. Its not that most of us dont have cash....I WANT to give them my money......but all we want is to see what we are getting first.

The flaw in your argument is that you are assuming that the Devs will not be offering some other special deal at launch. I would bet that they have something else already in the pipeline to offer folks about the time of Open Beta. They would be fools not to have something planned.

It may not be on the same scale of the Founders Packages, but there will be an offering. I would bet on it.

Honestly, the only money that I think they left on the table with the Founders Program is that I believe they could have charged more then they did for each package. I would have paid more. The fact that the most expensive option has been far and away the most popular tells me that the price could have been higher.

Edited by FactorlanP, 01 July 2012 - 01:17 PM.

[Veevslav]

I love fanboys that will throw money at anything....
All I want is to actually feel the interface, the way the mechs move, how the customization has been set up... etc..... The end game content is a must as was pointed out clan battles in WOT are kind of single sided.... You have 12-14 clans that have been trying to camp for an extended time and no incentive to move on until someone comes through and cleans house. After it has been cleaned they will simply move back in.

I am not asking for open beta or closed beta, I am asking for a hands on preview. A one day stress test before I drop my money on any of the founders packages. Something that lets us actually feel where the devs are going with the game. The way it stands now it feels like they are trying to pull the wool over anyones eyes they can, aka going for a quick buck because they lack confidence in their own product.

PS I have done plenty of beta's and know what they are about. Open betas are a major stress test as well as a mass bug hunt with more players doing random stuff.

If Open beta comes after early access there is no point in doing one. It tells me right there the devs dont know what the hell they are doing and that the game will probably flop due to it.

At least I have planetside 2 to look forward to and WOT for now.

Edited by Veevslav, 01 July 2012 - 02:45 PM.

[Warner]

Kyossed, on 01 July 2012 - 12:16 PM, said:

I'm having a little trouble understanding you, here. You claim that open beta should be set BEFORE early access? What's the point of having an early access phase at all, if everyone already has the client and is playing by the time early access hits?

Well open beta can be made like weekend access like it was in Star Wars KotOR Online where you can get access just for 2 days. It was enough for me to see what i would get and now p2p this game. This weekends can also be a stress test for servers.

Kyossed, on 01 July 2012 - 12:16 PM, said:

Beyond that, there's not much to understand about Founders. We shelled out money to support a game that we liked the idea of. You see the same deal in thousands of indie titles and kickstarter programs. There was a tiered buy in option set, and you could choose how much you wanted to pledge. In return, you are given perks and bonuses, such as useful gameplay accelerators down the road when the game launches, your name in the credits, or even just in-game currency at a 25% discount.

I fully understand what FP is for. But when you credit some indie product on kickstarter that doesn't have anything except concept it's fine. But when that game is almost done, is playable and already have people that play it - I wont play a penny till i get a demo,trial or something.

Kyossed, on 01 July 2012 - 12:16 PM, said:

Because I, and several thousand other people, bought into this mini-kickstarter, PGI now has a new reserve of funding to play with. They can tap into that, instead of perhaps being forced to accelerate testing or even launch early because of monetary issues. Every reward you earn is secondary to the reward of having a better game at the end of the development cycle.

Oh they dont have money to make a game that will make us give them money. Their game is almost done, it have large ammounts of fan thats why they can easily find investors on this stage. But wait why should they get investors to share revenue lately if they can sell virtual goods already and there is always people who would pay for nothing.

Edited by Warner, 02 July 2012 - 01:52 AM.

[Wildcat]

For MWO Seems to Go like this

Alpha Test ~ (Wipe Database) ~ Closed Beta Test Phase 1 ~ (Wipe Database) ~ Closed Beta Test Phase 2, Founders Headstart ~ (No Wipe of Database) ~ Open Beta ~ (No of Wipe Database) ~ Game Release

Open Beta Phase of Games in the past can last anywhere from 2 weeks to an entire Year or more, and with the Founders Program funding MWO and Making something like $1.5 Million Already before release, could expect Open Beta lasting up to 3 months, just depends on if the Devs are happy with the amount of Updates and Content for Release of the game

Edited by Wildcat, 02 July 2012 - 02:03 AM.

[Thorn Hallis]

Sunflare, on 01 July 2012 - 10:45 AM, said:

Very little info and they ALREADY want my money..........

And thats where you're wrong. They don't WANT your money. They offer you and everyone else the opportunity to fund a project. As a bonus those who spend money will receive one or more 'Mechs, premium accounts and such. Thats why it is called FOUNDER-Package and not Starter Package or whatever else we have seen in different games.

[Warner]

Thorn Hallis, on 02 July 2012 - 03:17 AM, said:

They don't WANT your money.

Oh come on! This isn't charity project and the main purpose is to get as much money from you as possible without killing you interest to the game. All f2p are the same.
And we talk about that before we pay our money we should know what we paying for. That's all. We dont need a month or week. Just give us 1-2 day sneak pick access to know if it worht it. And if it is much more players would buy FP. It's win-win situation if game is great. If not u would just be honest that this trash doesnt cost its price.

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

People don't seem to get it. The August access IS the open beta. What is going on before then is a CLOSED beta, meaning you can sign up but most likely won't see a slot. Open=Either everyone that signs up gets in or can buy their way in.(In this case you'll buy your way in for 30, 60, or 120$) Closed=Random invites but very limited slots, aka you'll never get one.