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[The6047]

It seems like more and more people lately have been talking about wanting a third person view. Why? It would definately no longer be a FPS-Simulation. I really cannot think of one reason I would want a 3pv in this game. It would lose all its realism!
If you want a 3pv can you just go play something else plz? Ty.

[Bilbo]

You will never have to play in 3pv, nor have to play against those that do. Why send off those that wish to do so?

[Tragos]

After seeing how (well) they implemented it I would play against 3rd person users, since it isn't useful for fighting.

[Zerberus]

After 12v12 3PV testing yesterday, I`d much prefer if everyone but me used 3PV... but that`s my e-peen talking, not the beta tester that understands something about game balance

[Farix]

• Some players prefer playing games in 3PV.
  
• New players were having difficulty with the torso twist and direction. 3PV is there to provide an assist.
  
• All previous versions of MechWarrior except for the first had 3PV. So the claims that adding 3PV makes the game something other than MechWarrior is completely bogus.

[Sporklift]

"...and with the introduction of 3rd Person, it turned out that the true reign of the jump sniper had just begun..."

[Belorion]

3PV is fine, and its a different queue than hardcore... so no complaints.

[The6047]

No one has said why. I seriously dont get it, please explain. What is your reasoning to want a 3pv in a simulation? What advantage or whatever do people think they will get with a 3rd person view? Im not looking for a "cuz i want to" "cuz i like it". People do or want things for reasons, what is it?

Farix, on 02 August 2013 - 11:59 AM, said:

All previous versions of MechWarrior except for the first had 3PV. So the claims that adding 3PV makes the game something other than MechWarrior is completely bogus.

Who said anything about other versions or it not being mechwarrior?

Everyone is defending the 3pv, thats fine. I really just want to know why.

My reasoning for wanting to be in a fpv is because the pilot sits in the cockpit, that makes it feel more real to me. Thats why I like it.

[Belorion]

The6047, on 02 August 2013 - 04:41 PM, said:

Who said anything about other versions or it not being mechwarrior?

Everyone is defending the 3pv, thats fine. I really just want to know why.

My reasoning for wanting to be in a fpv is because the pilot sits in the cockpit, that makes it feel more real to me. Thats why I like it.

Some people just don't like to play FPV games. MWO is really the only one I have ever played. I won't be trading in FPV for 3PV at this point because I am used to it, 3PV has too many limitations, and for some reason MWO is the only FPS that doesn't make me sick to play it.

[Farix]

The6047, on 02 August 2013 - 04:41 PM, said:

No one has said why. I seriously dont get it, please explain. What is your reasoning to want a 3pv in a simulation? What advantage or whatever do people think they will get with a 3rd person view? Im not looking for a "cuz i want to" "cuz i like it". People do or want things for reasons, what is it?

There have been several reasons given over the coarse of time. Just that the anti-3PV side will not acknowledge that those reasons even exist. So why really bother anymore?

The6047, on 02 August 2013 - 04:41 PM, said:

Who said anything about other versions or it not being mechwarrior?

Because one of the most frequent reasons many anit-3PV proponents give is that adding 3PV will mean that the game will no longer be MechWarrior.

The6047, on 02 August 2013 - 04:41 PM, said:

My reasoning for wanting to be in a fpv is because the pilot sits in the cockpit, that makes it feel more real to me. Thats why I like it.

Then play in 1PV. Whether someone else likes to play in 3PV should be no skin off your teeth. You are not forced to play in 3PV after all and there will be 1PV-only queues. Also, scheduled matches in CW between merc groups will be 1PV-only. Also, 1PV is just your preference. Others prefer 3PV. Why can't MWO cater to both groups?

Edited by Farix, 02 August 2013 - 05:27 PM.

[The6047]

Farix, on 02 August 2013 - 05:21 PM, said:

There have been several reasons given over the course of time.

WHAT ARE THEY?

From the reading I've done its all speculation that new players want it cause its easier. I have yet to see a post like, "I want 3pv because...". The other speculation is that most dont want it but its a money grab to get more casual players, which I can see and dont really like but that is out of our control.

You are missing my point. I dont care if you want 3pv. I am not arguing putting it in the game or not. Do you want 3pv? Why? All I am looking for is someone who wants 3pv to tell me why. If you dont want 3pv then please dont speak for others. Simple. Anyone?

I feel like Im taking crazy pills.

[Belorion]

The6047, on 02 August 2013 - 05:40 PM, said:

WHAT ARE THEY?

From the reading I've done its all speculation that new players want it cause its easier. I have yet to see a post like, "I want 3pv because...". The other speculation is that most dont want it but its a money grab to get more casual players, which I can see and dont really like but that is out of our control.

You are missing my point. I dont care if you want 3pv. I am not arguing putting it in the game or not. Do you want 3pv? Why? All I am looking for is someone who wants 3pv to tell me why. If you dont want 3pv then please dont speak for others. Simple. Anyone?

I feel like Im taking crazy pills.

Belorion, on 02 August 2013 - 05:08 PM, said:

Some people just don't like to play FPV games. MWO is really the only one I have ever played. I won't be trading in FPV for 3PV at this point because I am used to it, 3PV has too many limitations, and for some reason MWO is the only FPS that doesn't make me sick to play it.

[The6047]

Thunderklaws, on 02 August 2013 - 05:30 PM, said:

I dont really get the furor; If they do it like they say their gonna do it here:
http://mwomercs.com/...095-3rd-person/

whats the problem? This sounds good

I dont have a problem other than not understanding why.

That 100 pages is all about how it will be implemented. I read a handful of pages of people bickering about it, for or against and a few decent insights. I did not see a post from a player saying, "I want 3pv because..."

[The6047]

Belorion, on 02 August 2013 - 05:08 PM, said:

Some people just don't like to play FPV games. MWO is really the only one I have ever played. I won't be trading in FPV for 3PV at this point because I am used to it, 3PV has too many limitations, and for some reason MWO is the only FPS that doesn't make me sick to play it.

You are speaking for others. You play fpv.

[JeepStuff]

The6047, on 02 August 2013 - 04:41 PM, said:

My reasoning for wanting to be in a fpv is because the pilot sits in the cockpit, that makes it feel more real to me. Thats why I like it.

In previous MW titles I flip flopped between 1PV and 3PV and played them both about equally. Sometimes I wanted the game to be immersive, and sometimes I just wanted to see the mech walk around (maybe for nostalgic reasons because I played the TT as a kid, I dunno). Like you said, "that's the way I like it." I'm not sure why you're so adamant about pressuring people for a "WHY???!!!!" when the answer is simply that different people have different preferences. I'm not sure I can put my finger on why. I just like to shake it up.

[The6047]

EJT, on 02 August 2013 - 06:18 PM, said:

In previous MW titles I flip flopped between 1PV and 3PV and played them both about equally. Sometimes I wanted the game to be immersive, and sometimes I just wanted to see the mech walk around (maybe for nostalgic reasons because I played the TT as a kid, I dunno). Like you said, "that's the way I like it." I'm not sure why you're so adamant about pressuring people for a "WHY???!!!!" when the answer is simply that different people have different preferences. I'm not sure I can put my finger on why. I just like to shake it up.

Thank you for a real reason. I am just trying to complete this picture I am missing pieces from. I am dumb as to why anyone would want 3pv, you educated me some. That seems cool even. Im thinking screenshots. I guess I am looking for convincing reasons for me and asked incorrectly. People dont seem to want to say why they want it.

More please.

[merz]

the real reason why it is a bad idea is something a lot of the posters here seem entirely ignorant of, though something PGI has mentioned as a significant concern: the splitting of the queue. Some of the greatest emphasis in forming a drop via weight/ELO is ultimately tossed out the window in favour of putting the drop together quickly, leading the disparity you sometimes see in drops, both when you suddenly find yourself out-tonned by 300+ or up against a DV8 lance on a pugstomp. There isn't some magical influx of players that is going to immediately follow a 3pv introduction, but the queue will now be split between hardcore (today's normal) and 'look over the cover/side of the mountain while perfectly safe' mode, where you have to use the tools you're given or suffer the consequences.

One of the posters earlier in this thread states "you'll never have to deal with people using it', which is of course entirely untrue as you sit there with your friends hitting launch for 10 minutes only to get 'failed' and ask them to re-ready for the 5th time because there are now that many fewer people for you to drop against.

The people saying that 3pv is not useful for combat aren't quite getting the point. Nobody needs to use 3rd person from the actual aiming and shooting. the real folly of its implementation comes when you're on forest colony behind one of the rock outcroppings, using your invulnerable camera drone to scout the water. Or sitting in the crates, or behind a building. or behind anything where you are invulnerable due to cover, but can now observe your enemy's movement without risk. This breaks (for the first time..) one of the most basic assumptions in MWO gameplay - that having visual contact exposes one to risk of incoming fire.

those who fail to acknowledge this are limp-witted chodes who must end themselves posthaste.

Edited by merz, 02 August 2013 - 06:49 PM.

[Dracol]

Told a friend today they were testing 3pv. He still plays Mechwarrior 4: Mercs on his older computer.

His response was "Great. I love 3rd person view. Gives me a wider field of view. When I get my new computer i 'll have to give it a try again."

Personally never cared for it, but differant people enjoy games for differant reasons.

[GRiPSViGiL]

I don't get why 1PV and 3PV can't compete against each other in the same games. A lot of FPS like BF2 had 3PV in vehicles. I just do not want them to split the player base into 2 different groups.

[The6047]

Ok so if it is a toggle mode, I agree it will be a broken mechanic. So people want this so they can break the game? Or they split queues and the community with it? We will already be divided enough with all the factions.

Neither seem like a good idea at all. May payout initially with an influx of new players but I believe it will cripple MWO long term chances.



Isnt everyone playing it fine with how it is? FPV. They are simply trying to grab more players? That was kind of my original point. Everyone is arguing about how it will be. They have all played and contined playing in FPV. I never saw an uproar of people asking for 3pv and giving their reasons. So it is just pgi going for the fast $$$. I believe this change will drive away many people who like it the way it is and invested money, like myself, eventually. It is a shame.

Edited by The6047, 02 August 2013 - 07:28 PM.