48 replies to this topic

[Damocles69]

I think this would be a major boost to light and medium mech survivability. Would help survivabilit across the board seeing as how time to kill in this game is so low

Also, this would not be as big of a boost to assaults as the primary limiting factor on them is crit space and not tonnage

[BookWyrm]

Wouldn't have much of an effect unless you are storing ammo in the right and left torso.

Edited by BookWyrm, 12 August 2013 - 06:48 AM.

[xCico]

C.A.S.E. is only protecting ammo, i think that you want to C.A.S.E. be extra armor on left torso and right torso, IMO how xl works now is perfectly fine, just price is incredibly stupid.

[FupDup]

The OP forgot to say what the actual effect of CASE + XL would be. Actually listing what your specific suggestions are kind of helps.


For reference, the current function of CASE is to keep ammo explosions from spilling over into nearby components (does not prevent the explosion, just contains it). Since an AE is pretty much guaranteed to destroy your side torso, using CASE is effectively useless with XL engines because you'll die anyways.

Edited by FupDup, 12 August 2013 - 06:54 AM.

[DeadlyNerd]

Good thing absolutely everybody here missed the point of this topic.

As for the whole case protecting XL from being torn off when side torso is destroyed, it would make assaults OP because they'd just put in XL engine + case, instead of going for the inferior tonnage relief, endo steel.

[Damocles69]

Right. My fault. What I ment was that equiping case to a left/right torso would prevent an engine destruction. OP was porrly worded.
I may be way off base here but I see this a more of a boost to lights and mediums than assaults seeing as how this would be a large crit slot investment for a buff to surviablity

[Unbound Inferno]

No. I run XL on my Cats, and the reward and risk is just right as it is.

[Damocles69]

DeadlyNerd, on 12 August 2013 - 06:51 AM, said:

Good thing absolutely everybody here missed the point of this topic.

As for the whole case protecting XL from being torn off when side torso is destroyed, it would make assaults OP because they'd just put in XL engine + case, instead of going for the inferior tonnage relief, endo steel.

Would this really be such a bad thing though? Time to kill is hilariously low and most high impact weapons are crit slot heavy

[FupDup]

Damocles69, on 12 August 2013 - 06:54 AM, said:

Right. My fault. What I ment was that equiping case to a left/right torso would prevent an engine destruction. OP was porrly worded.
I may be way off base here but I see this a more of a boost to lights and mediums than assaults seeing as how this would be a large crit slot investment for a buff to surviablity

For lights, most of them die from legging or coring. Side-cores are pretty rare. For mediums, this would really only serve the purpose of helping BJs and making XL viable (if not slightly OP) on Centurions.

For heavies and assaults, though, this would allow mechs like the Stalker to take advantage of their massive hardpoint array even more than they already do. It very well could result in faster killing across the board with more guns being used by the big boys.

Edited by FupDup, 12 August 2013 - 06:59 AM.

[Nasty McBadman]

Unbound Inferno, on 12 August 2013 - 06:56 AM, said:

No. I run XL on my Cats, and the reward and risk is just right as it is.

Note to self: Shoot side torso of Unbound Inferno.

[Purlana]

No, just wait for clan XL engines.

[Dimento Graven]

Damocles69, on 12 August 2013 - 06:54 AM, said:

Right. My fault. What I ment was that equiping case to a left/right torso would prevent an engine destruction. OP was porrly worded.
I may be way off base here but I see this a more of a boost to lights and mediums than assaults seeing as how this would be a large crit slot investment for a buff to surviablity

Thank you for restating the OP (I think you can also go up and edit the OP to get it stated more clearly too, btw).

I don't think I agree with your premise that it helps lights, considering that even if this were possibility, you have to give up tonnage to equip it. Tonnage that for the very nature of a light 'mech being a light 'mech, they ain't got a lot of to spare. Heavier 'mechs, maybe mediums, but definitely heavies and assaults would see more benefit as they have the tonnage to support this sort of mod, AND, are actually more easy to hit with their MUCH broader torsos.

Keep thinking up ideas like this though... More ideas is a good thing!

Edited by Dimento Graven, 12 August 2013 - 07:02 AM.

[Damocles69]

To take advantage of this on an assault would require a minimum of a 14 crit slot investment meaning less room for DHS and large bore balsitic weapons.

[Purlana]

Damocles69, on 12 August 2013 - 07:04 AM, said:

To take advantage of this on an assault would require a minimum of a 14 crit slot investment meaning less room for DHS and large bore balsitic weapons.

Or you could just take endo steel off?

[BookWyrm]

Damocles69, on 12 August 2013 - 06:54 AM, said:

Right. My fault. What I ment was that equiping case to a left/right torso would prevent an engine destruction. OP was porrly worded.
I may be way off base here but I see this a more of a boost to lights and mediums than assaults seeing as how this would be a large crit slot investment for a buff to surviablity

Everyone would use XL engines then. Far more benefit than standard even with the additional 8 slots taken up with 2 C.A.S.E. added.

[FupDup]

Damocles69, on 12 August 2013 - 07:04 AM, said:

To take advantage of this on an assault would require a minimum of a 14 crit slot investment meaning less room for DHS and large bore balsitic weapons.

Large enough XL engines allow for more engine-slotted DHS to help negate the crit slot issue.

[Damocles69]

Atlases, as an example, generally only have room for one upgrade. Most often DHS. And the still run into crit limitation issuses.
Just playing devils advocate here

[TexAce]

I would change C.A.S.E completely by introducing CASE-1 and CASE-2

C.A.S.E.-1: Every ton of ammo would be 1.5 tons heavy, still require one slot (no extra slot for CASE) but would prevent that ton of ammo from doing harm to your mech when blowing up, a bit like Artemis in terms of weight and slots.

C.A.S.E.-2: Every ton of ammo would still weight 1 ton but would require 2 slots and would prevent that ton of ammo from from doing harm to your mech when blowing up, a bit like DHS in terms of weight and slots.

This way even XLs would benefit from it somehow.

At the moment the XL+CASE topic is the same as the command console and FF armor. Its totally redundant.

Edited by TexAss, 12 August 2013 - 08:28 AM.

[Damocles69]

TexAss, on 12 August 2013 - 07:17 AM, said:

I would change C.A.S.E completely and make it so you can envelope every slot of ammo with one case, making every ton of ammo require 2 slots but then it would prevent them from blowing up at all.

This way even XLs would benefit from it somehow.

At the moment the XL+CASE topic is the same as the command console and FF armor. Its totally redundant.

#agreed

[Purlana]

Damocles69, on 12 August 2013 - 07:15 AM, said:

Atlases, as an example, generally only have room for one upgrade. Most often DHS. And the still run into crit limitation issuses.
Just playing devils advocate here

They do? Because all my atlas builds run endo and DHS...