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[Deathlike]

Koniving, on 13 August 2013 - 05:06 PM, said:

Heh. Honestly a ballistic in the head would have made me happy. Blind or not I'd like some sort of dakka.
And indeed. I wouldn't mind some mechs that have lopsided left heavy, right heavy, and symmetrical variants for a bit of variety. For most of these it's all "Take out the right." "Take out the right." "Take out the right." When are we going to need to take out the left? Or have trouble deciding which side?

Oh god... giving Koniving an AC2 option in the head? Too much dakka on the brain.

The only mech that taking out the left is a good idea is a Victor... and the occasional Atlas D-DC because you want ECM removal... then the Cents minus the YLW, and the Stalker-5M and Misery...

Yea, not a lot of pro-left mechs.

Edited by Deathlike, 13 August 2013 - 07:48 PM.

[Frost Pendragon]

bought an 18 and a 20 today.

on the 18 I'm running an XL 340, 4 ASRM6, 4 tons of ammo, usually getting 1-3 kills before I die in a fire. This thing will be much better in packs, unfortunately I can't convince anyone to kintaro wolf-pack with me, or have a mech that matches my 110 KPH. The CT isn't too bad now that I can actually torso twist and turn tightly.

[KharnZor]

Am yet to see this....thing be used effectively. Not impressed at all.

[L1f3H4ck]

I dont care how often this has been said. If they wanted a 55 ton missile mech, why not the Dervish? Everyone would have gone bonkers over that one, instead of the overall "meh" reaction to the Kintaro.

[Deathz Jester]

Cool, now can you actually do some work on the Orion?

[NextGame]

This is the first mech I've had absolutely no interest in buying as early as possible due to the huge CT and the general state of the game re: heat changes/ghost heat

[Jungle Rhino]

Well it seems PGI are so unsure of their ability to sell MC to us on merit that they are now holding content back from the unwashed masses.

Good work PGI - that is the type of attitude that will bring you much success. Instead of creating a value proposition based on *gasp* value. You create it based on impulse, and a lack of patience. This sounds like a really sustainable business model that will never generate an buyers remorse to me, and people will keep on coming back long term.

...oh hang on!

[White Bear 84]

Jungle Rhino, on 14 August 2013 - 03:28 AM, said:

Well it seems PGI are so unsure of their ability to sell MC to us on merit that they are now holding content back from the unwashed masses.

Good work PGI - that is the type of attitude that will bring you much success. Instead of creating a value proposition based on *gasp* value. You create it based on impulse, and a lack of patience. This sounds like a really sustainable business model that will never generate an buyers remorse to me, and people will keep on coming back long term.

...oh hang on!

It's not hanging back at all, its just providing an option to purchase it sooner - the mechs are still being officially released end of August, they are still sticking to their release schedule.

[tuffy963]

Yeah, just figured out why the Kintaro is so fragile. Look how much of the CT Front extends into the back....



To be clear, there are few mechs that have this "belt" that shows up in the mech lab, but the Kintaro's is the largest by far...

No wonder torso twisting does not help. They can still hit my front CT from the sides & back!

Is this really a "functioning as intended" front CT hit box?

I will test this tonight....

EDIT: Tested. The back armor appears to work normally. All rear torso damage went to my Kintaro's rear CT armor.

Edited by tuffy963, 14 August 2013 - 08:04 PM.

[Ngamok]

Deux, on 13 August 2013 - 03:16 PM, said:

and still no orion.

Orion in June was pushed back 3-4 months. So I hope you didn't expect it in August.

[Tarriss Halcyon]

All these complaints over the bad hitboxes.... honestly, you know what this reminds me of? Catapult. Cataphract. Dragon. Jager. Oh, wait! Those are all HEAVY mechs, and they all have massive torsos and reasonably bad hitboxes. (Cataphract and Catapult may as well have torso-mounted cockpits, the head is dead-center of the CT)

Also, the whining about how Kintaro is useless? No, it's not. Every mech has an innate tactic, and your builds can alter and enhance this. Konniving, as much as it pains me to compliment a Capellan-aligned player, is one of the best at finding a mech's natural role. I've seen him on a few occasions while I was pugging, and almost every time he's had the mech he was in dancing. Me? I'm not bad, although I still confuse my HBK-4SP for a brawler, when I built it to back up assaults, etc. My point is, you have to find a mech's innate role.

My thoughts on Kintaro?

Well, I haven't piloted it yet, at all. Sue me. I'm considering it when it comes out for c-bills, but considering I only have one medium mech line mastered, I probably won't. Now, breaking it down, it suffers from some of the same issues as a Dragon or Awesome, namely the massive CT. Hardpoints resemble a Stalker - heavy on missiles and lasers. Weight is too light for many traditional Stalker builds, but not the roles. Combine the roles Stalker (heavy armored missile turret) and Awesome (Sniper/fire support). It doesn't have the armor of a Stalker, but it has the speed of an Awesome. Basically, I would consider a mix of LRMs and SRMs/SSRMs, with either Large or Medium lasers for backups for a mixed skirmisher build (and one that doesn't have to worry about range), and then the LRMboat as well.

I see how the SRM/SSRMboat would work, and to be honest if done right, these things could be devastating. Third highest speed cap, most missiles outside of a Heavy/Assault. However, that strategy would be reserved for 4-mans in the pug queue. Two reasons for that:

1. Using Kintaro as a SRM Skirmisher, compared to a mixed carrier (LRM/SRM), requires greater coordination with a group of teammates. SRM and LRM Kintaro would be an effective pair, if the former is willing to stick back with the boat and fend off lights/opportunists. 4mans have the coordination of coms, PUGs don't.

2. Kintaro's bad hardpoints can be mitigated if used right. One mech distracts, the SRM carrier blindsides. Again, this requires coordination.

As one final little point, I have to say that Golden Boy is one that should only serve as a fire-support mech, probably with Large or Med lasers to back that up, depending on how many missiles the pilot is willing to sacrifice. Why? The greater tube-number gives better LRM spread to help defeat AMS, while the lower speed makes skirmishing a lot more dangerous.

[Xeno Phalcon]

Official impression of the Kintaro: vulnerable CT but ability to mount large missile launchers without being gimped makes it naturally gravitate towards being a LRM mech, while I can mount a devestating amount of SRMs while maintaining good speed even the twitchiest gauss/ppc junky will be able to blast away at this things CT making anything outside of the most careful hit and run-like-hell moves pure suicide. On the flip side of SRMs enemy pilots loaded with them will have no trouble getting most of their missiles to hit dead center, further shortening the kintaro's life in close quarters combat situations.

If you want a medium LRM support mech this is your big alternative to the Tribuchet, personally speaking however it dosn't bring enough to the field to warrant spending MC or even (the now rather rare) c-bill on so this is not the mech to draw me out of hiding and back into MWO aboard (as im currently on a c-bill strike, YOU WONT GET MY CBILLS!).


Unofficial impression of the kintaro:

Spoiler

[Victor Morson]

Goldrinn, on 13 August 2013 - 08:57 AM, said:

when can they be bought with c-bills ?

If you bought the Golden Boy, you should be able to pay for the other variants with tears.

They should have called it the Jolly Gold Giant, because it's as big as a Highlander.

Tarriss Halcyon, on 14 August 2013 - 06:00 AM, said:

All these complaints over the bad hitboxes.... honestly, you know what this reminds me of? Catapult. Cataphract. Dragon. Jager. Oh, wait! Those are all HEAVY mechs, and they all have massive torsos and reasonably bad hitboxes. (Cataphract and Catapult may as well have torso-mounted cockpits, the head is dead-center of the CT)

The sad part is the Kintaro is around 30% larger than every single 'mech you just referenced and I am not exaggerating.

Edited by Victor Morson, 14 August 2013 - 06:50 AM.

[Jack Starborn]

ovie, on 13 August 2013 - 10:34 AM, said:

You think this is bad, just wait till the Nova (Blackhawk) gets into the game. Its nothing but Cockpit, Arms and Legs.

PGI is not going to release mech without a waist.

[PropagandaWar]

Frost Pendragon, on 13 August 2013 - 08:05 PM, said:

bought an 18 and a 20 today.

on the 18 I'm running an XL 340, 4 ASRM6, 4 tons of ammo, usually getting 1-3 kills before I die in a fire. This thing will be much better in packs, unfortunately I can't convince anyone to kintaro wolf-pack with me, or have a mech that matches my 110 KPH. The CT isn't too bad now that I can actually torso twist and turn tightly.

I bought the 19 yesterday. May do 20 today don't know. For that build I did 3 med lasers, 2 Streaks, 2 SRM6's. It goes 94, DHS ES. Rest is in ammo (Three Tons and 2 tons). No Bap even though I am contemplayting putting it in. I found LRM's and Streaks make the most sense in arms do to how the spread is.

Victor Morson, on 14 August 2013 - 06:52 AM, said:

If you bought the Golden Boy, you should be able to pay for the other variants with tears.

They should have called it the Jolly Gold Giant, because it's as big as a Highlander.



The sad part is the Kintaro is around 30% larger than every single 'mech you just referenced and I am not exaggerating.

This un fortuananly is true. One thing I did notice is im getting backshot armor transfer to CT on this mech.

[Bilbo]

PropagandaWar, on 14 August 2013 - 11:49 AM, said:

......
This un fortuananly is true. One thing I did notice is im getting backshot armor transfer to CT on this mech.

It's on all/most of the mechs. If you shoot the crotch area from the rear, it registers as front CT.

[PropagandaWar]

Bilbo, on 14 August 2013 - 12:09 PM, said:

It's on all/most of the mechs. If you shoot the crotch area from the rear, it registers as front CT.

Still. Huh. Maybe noticing it more because I've been playing with him the last couple days. Must have an excessivly big crotch lol

[shotokan5]

We need new Patches and a game that runs for everyone not a flock of Mech's . This is just a smoke screen to keep you from what is really going on. How can you have a game even half ready when you don't patch every week or more. But when this game fails because it was not ready and people think it stinks because of that let them explain why all our money was wasted by a bunch of guys, no comment. Yes, I have purchased the new Mech's.

[Kibble]

I call conspirisy to punish the community by releasing the kintaro before the orion. Someone datamind the kintaro so PGI was like "oh cats outta the bag, screw ya'll we know you want the orion but nahh just because you leaked the kintaro we gonna bring that out first"

[3Xtr3m3]

Jack Starborn, on 14 August 2013 - 11:08 AM, said:

PGI is not going to release mech without a waist.

source?
I am hoping they will not do to the Nova what they have done to the others.