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[King Picollo]

How can you get that much firepower into a Cataphract?

[Dracol]

ppcs do not equal high overall damage. What they equal is 10pts of pin point damage to a SINGLE location, no matter were in their effective range the target is.

During long range engagements, PPCs and Gauss will chew through one segment of an opponent. Meanwhile a laser build will be spreading their damage over multiple sections.

High damage numbers look nice on the post match screen, but if one wants to be the most efficient at taking down an enemy, the pin point high damage of ppcs and guass is the way to go. The enemy won't be leaving behind a dead mech with internals exposed on 5 out of 7 sections. They'll be leaving behind a mech cored out with fresh armor everywhere else.

Edited by Dracol, 15 August 2013 - 04:50 AM.

[Roland]

IL MECHWARRIOR, on 15 August 2013 - 03:11 AM, said:

what i understand is that i use many heavy mechs, and ppc based ones are the weakest, the ones in which i do less kills, less damage

don't you think this means something?

It means you are bad at using PPC's.

[D A T A]

also, i ever started offending someone when i wrote the initial posts, why do you Always star the trash talk? in the total war series forums it never happens......................................... is this a signal that i am speaking with people that have less than 16 years? ( and show a maturity of 12 years boys?)

returning on aconstructive criticism

I SUGGEST TO REPLACE THE HEAT PENALITY AT ALL with a system that makes you full really fast the bar of heat, but the dissipation is really fast, example: i shoot 3 ppcs and my heat bar goes to 95%, but it goes down to 0 2 seconds: you solve the ppc problem without heat penality and without any ***** solution that ARE PERCIEVED AS BUGS

[Kazma]

Dual PPC+Gauss builds are strong. Guess your doing something wrong with your mech.
35 Aphastrike damage on long range. Do you need more than that?

IL MECHWARRIOR, on 15 August 2013 - 04:53 AM, said:

also, i ever started offending someone when i wrote the initial posts, why do you Always star the trash talk?

I know, this forum often ends with a lot of offending talk, its sad

Edited by Kazma, 15 August 2013 - 04:56 AM.

[D A T A]

roland
or it means you know nothing about how to build a mech, you see only ppcs and think ppcs are overpowered


kazma

yes, i need more, since have far more on my ctf 3d

30 damage at far logner range that can be fired CONTINUOUSLY WITHOUT NEED OF STOPPING because of no heat PLUS 20 DAMAGE AT SHORT RANGE, i can shoot 50 damage 5 times before haveing heat problems and than continue 30+30+30 till i refresh than 50+50+50 without stopping

this without ppc

ppcs are not strong enough to do this

i mean WITHOUT STOPPING TO REFRESH

this way you easily reach 700+ damage each game and you also have a clean shot and you also kill lights with lasers


ppc based mechs are not that good, so ppc need to be helped

Edited by IL MECHWARRIOR, 15 August 2013 - 04:57 AM.

[xCico]

IL MECHWARRIOR, on 15 August 2013 - 04:58 AM, said:

roland
or it means you know nothing about how to build a mech, you see only ppcs and think ppcs are overpowered

Guy is talking abou offending anyone, but you are offending now, loool you are so funny

[Livewyr]

Please don't feed the troll.

His last PPC thread got abandoned.. so let this one pass too please.

(EDIT: Also, I killed him in 2 shots from full-health in his heavy mech, with a 2PPC/Gauss Victor. I'm pretty sure he was in a Jagermech. PPCs are fine.)

Edited by Livewyr, 15 August 2013 - 05:07 AM.

[D A T A]

CICO??? if you have personal problems with me, and i do not know why, you are suggested to tell me aboth that out of this place, it was a normal answer to the fact that that player only told that i am not capable of usng ppcs.......nothing more

[MrZakalwe]

IL MECHWARRIOR, on 15 August 2013 - 04:53 AM, said:

also, i ever started offending someone when i wrote the initial posts, why do you Always star the trash talk? in the total war series forums it never happens......................................... is this a signal that i am speaking with people that have less than 16 years? ( and show a maturity of 12 years boys?)

returning on aconstructive criticism

I SUGGEST TO REPLACE THE HEAT PENALITY AT ALL with a system that makes you full really fast the bar of heat, but the dissipation is really fast, example: i shoot 3 ppcs and my heat bar goes to 95%, but it goes down to 0 2 seconds: you solve the ppc problem without heat penality and without any ***** solution that ARE PERCIEVED AS BUGS

It wasn't trash talk it was simply stating that nobody gets 700 damage every round like you claim your friend does.

Back to the constructive criticism:

The current heat system (with the addition of ghost heat to stop big alphas) looks designed to give lower heat brawling weapons an advantage over PPCs etc when it comes to sustained damage and it does this (you can tell this by the UAC5s that have started to pop up on brawling builds) but it isn't perfect.

Mechwarrior 3/4's heat system had it's own problems (it made AC Alphas super powerful and energy alphas not exist among other issues) and I don't remember it as being better than this one.

Been a while since I played it but wasn't the 5 light Gauss rifle Madcat II fun to play against?

[Mizore]

IL MECHWARRIOR, on 15 August 2013 - 03:11 AM, said:

@mizore

what i understand is that i use many heavy mechs, and ppc based ones are the weakest, the ones in which i do less kills, less damage

don't you think this means something?

It means that you're doing something wrong und that you're expecting too much from PPCs.
The advantage of PPCs is their range, pin-point-damage and no ammo.

When you aim properly, you don't need 100 tons of damage to kill a mech with PPCs.
With Lasers instead you need more damage than with PPCs, because their damage is likely to be spread all over the mech.

IL MECHWARRIOR, on 15 August 2013 - 03:11 AM, said:

i would like to see 1 player that comes here and says:

yes:

now with 3ppc + 1gauss, in this moment,
i ALWAYS DO 600 damage per match EACH TIME I PLAY ( that is nothing exceptional, it is normal for a good heavy mech player to do 600 damage)

if there are such players, than ppcs are still good

I hate cheese-builds like that and if you expect to do 600 damage per match with PPCs each time, then you're nuts.
(look at the comment above)

Oh and btw. 3 PPCs & 1 Gauss ist too much heat for a heavy mech, no wonder that your damage is so low.

Argh, how I hate this ****, only damage damage damage, killz killz killz... can't you think about helping your team to win the game?

Better go back to CoD or whatever...

/rage

[stjobe]

IL MECHWARRIOR, on 15 August 2013 - 04:59 AM, said:

roland
or it means you know nothing about how to build a mech, you see only ppcs and think ppcs are overpowered

If I had a join date two months back and a track record of just making "Buff PPC" threads, I'd be very, very careful of calling out someone who's been with the community since November 2011 as knowing less about the game than me.

PPCs don't need a buff, they need a nerf.

[Roland]

IL MECHWARRIOR, on 15 August 2013 - 04:59 AM, said:

roland
or it means you know nothing about how to build a mech, you see only ppcs and think ppcs are overpowered

Yes, I would agree that the alternatives here are that either I don't know anything about this game, or you are bad.

It is certainly one of those two things.

[D A T A]

time means nothing
anyway, since i got only 2 constructive criticism comments on 2 pages, it has no sense for me to continue this topic.
i am not iterested arguing with kids that liquidate you with the sarcasm of 1 sentence and also troll you................i am trying to start a positive discussion where each one says how he would like the weapon balance to be..........but this seems impossible in this game........


is there a way to completely delete the topic?

[Alex Warden]

my catapult c1(on my founders account) has 2 ERPPC´s, 2ML and 2 SRM4´s,i play this build since CBT. it never was a bad nor an overpowered build, and it´s absolutely NO problem to cross the 500dmg mark with it...


if PPC builds are your weakest builds,that only means it´s plain and simple not your weapon.

btw... it´s not so much about how you build a mech, it´s about how you use it. and about finding setups that are YOUR pair of shoes. one can be the GREATEST and most genius theory crafters in the universe, but totally fail with driving his builds...while others might just grab a trialmech and pwn the whole inner sphere.

luckily not all mechs and weapons are the same, feel the same and fill the same roles. and (ER)PPC is, without any doubt,one of the strongest weapons in MWO...they are just not meant to be boated

Edited by Alex Warden, 15 August 2013 - 05:28 AM.

[D A T A]

again and again and again and again
weakest buid = 500 medium damage per match

[Joseph Mallan]

IL MECHWARRIOR, on 15 August 2013 - 05:13 AM, said:

time means nothing
anyway, since i got only 2 constructive criticism comments on 2 pages, it has no sense for me to continue this topic.
i am not iterested arguing with kids that liquidate you with the sarcasm of 1 sentence and also troll you................i am trying to start a positive discussion where each one says how he would like the weapon balance to be..........but this seems impossible in this game........


is there a way to completely delete the topic?

On some forums you just delete your first post. Please, see if that works.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 15 August 2013 - 05:22 AM.

[Roland]

What are you win/loss and kill/death statistics, chief?

[D A T A]

this troll is enough, i consider this topic closed, continue speaking with the wind

[Joseph Mallan]

Have you tried deleting your first post yet???