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[MechFrog1]

ssm, on 10 October 2013 - 02:07 PM, said:

Yes, I know & understand. But let's be honest - Unless some kind of disaster happens, it won't be hard to get people to buy Clan Mech Invasion Pack.

Because, well, Clan Mechs.

Knock on ferro-fibrous armor.

[Hexenhammer]

My expectation
People get the flame pattern for the Phoenix mechs they purchased.
The flame pattern can be buy and applied to any mech a person owns.

If the flame pattern has to be bought for Phoenix mechs..... Welcome to 3PV ver2.0. I for one will be p!ssed and I will not buy it.

Edited by Hexenhammer, 10 October 2013 - 02:51 PM.

[Gregory Owen]

Hexenhammer, on 10 October 2013 - 02:39 PM, said:

My expectation
The Phoenix flame is given to Phoenix project buys for the Phoenix mechs
The flame pattern can be buy and applied to any other mech.


If the Phoenix flame pattern has to be biugjt regardless of the mechs... Welcome to 3PV ver2.0.

???

HexenHammer has Taken a Critical Hit to the Head from a *Wild Beer*

Edited by Gregory Owen, 10 October 2013 - 02:41 PM.

[Gregory Owen]

Hexenhammer, on 10 October 2013 - 02:39 PM, said:

My expectation
The Phoenix flame is given to Phoenix project buys for the Phoenix mechs they purchased
The flame pattern can be buy and applied to any mech.


If the Phoenix flame pattern has to be bought regardless of the mechs... Welcome to 3PV ver2.0.

HexenHammer has Taken a *SECOND* Critical Hit to the Head from a *Wild Beer*

Jesus Christ man can you even form a sentence right now?

[Tynan]

There are so many legitimate complaints to be had...but I can't take people seriously who are having a sad because the flame pattern will be purchasable by other people. I mean, unless you bought Phoenix after it was unlocked there was no guarantee you'd get it at all, and now you're mad because some other guy can spend $10 to put it on his Atlas? Really?

[MechFrog1]

Tynan, on 10 October 2013 - 02:47 PM, said:

There are so many legitimate complaints to be had...but I can't take people seriously who are having a sad because the flame pattern will be purchasable by other people. I mean, unless you bought Phoenix after it was unlocked there was no guarantee you'd get it at all, and now you're mad because some other guy can spend $10 to put it on his Atlas? Really?

Oh come now... was there ever any doubt that all three tiers would be unlocked?

[Hexenhammer]

Gregory Owen, on 10 October 2013 - 02:47 PM, said:

HexenHammer has Taken a *SECOND* Critical Hit to the Head from a *Wild Beer*

Jesus Christ man can you even form a sentence right now?

Friends should not let friends post from an iphone while angry.

[employee24601]

ssm, on 10 October 2013 - 01:51 PM, said:

Actually, I still feel somewhat rewarded. Given that custom pattern unlocks for whole chassis are ridiculously overpriced at 1250 MC's, we still get 5000 MC worth out of it.

This. They won't be cheap to buy with MC.

Although I've contributed my share of MWO nerd rage in the past, I can't say I'm that bothered about this. I put my Phoenix $ down before the loyalty rewards went up.

Although the word "Exclusive" was certainly misused for the rewards, I always assumed that the Flame pattern and Phoenix colours would be opened up for general use -just that Phoenix buyers would get them 'free' if the reward goals were met.

Having already got the PC Gamer and Phranken colours, I look forward to my third Black/Red/[insert light tertiary option here] colour set.

Edited by employee24601, 10 October 2013 - 03:01 PM.

[Nekki Basara]

Hexenhammer, on 10 October 2013 - 02:39 PM, said:

If the flame pattern has to be bought for Phoenix mechs..... Welcome to 3PV ver2.0. I for one will be p!ssed and I will not buy it.

Quotin' dis. Magic 8-ball says "likely".

[DirePhoenix]

Gregory Owen, on 10 October 2013 - 12:57 PM, said:

It was sold to us as an "Exclusive" and "Ultimate Loyalty Reward".

there isn't much wiggle room in the wording.

The 'Phoenix' pattern is exclusive. The Phoenix pattern is used exclusively on the special Phoenix variant mechs. The Phoenix pattern is the one shown with the white, black, and 'phoenix red' (orange), in solid stripes.

However, what is shown under the words "Exclusive Phoenix Pattern" is not the "Phoenix" pattern. What is shown is the "Flame" pattern. It's even described as the "Flame" pattern. The "Flame" pattern is not described as exclusive, but applicable to the phoenix 'standard variant' 'mechs.

Hexenhammer, on 10 October 2013 - 02:39 PM, said:

My expectation
People get the flame pattern for the Phoenix mechs they purchased.
The flame pattern can be buy and applied to any mech a person owns.

If the flame pattern has to be bought for Phoenix mechs..... Welcome to 3PV ver2.0. I for one will be p!ssed and I will not buy it.

Phoenix purchasers get the flame pattern for the standard variants of the LCT, SHD, TDR, and BLR that they got (probably only applicable to the mechs that came with their specific packages). The special phoenix variants of those mechs will probably only be able to wear the 'exclusive' Phoenix pattern, much like the Founders mechs can only wear the 'exclusive' Founders pattern.

For non-phoenix package purchasers, they will probably still have to purchase the flame pattern for any (non-hero) mechs.

In this iteration of the game, you still have to buy a pattern on a "per-chassis" basis; you can't buy any patterns like you can colors, where you can buy one pattern that applies to all of your present and future mechs (yet).

Edited by DirePhoenix, 10 October 2013 - 03:22 PM.

[Cmdr Rad]

Colonel Cody, on 10 October 2013 - 02:06 PM, said:

Seriously Guys? Getting refunds cuz the Pheonix Scheme will be available for the OTHER mechs for MC? Grow up. You already get it for 12 mechs for FREE. And the thing wasnt a sure bet the whole time. It was a reward for them reaching a certain number of purchases. It's a reward. Just cuz it ain't 'Exclusive' doesnt make it any less valuable...
(More stuff went after this)

I apologize ahead of time, as I'm going through a rough time right now, trying to make sure my reading comprehension of the English Language is up to par, as I wouldn't want to falsely accuse someone Bitmonger505 again.

But it seems that your definition of "Free" is very different than the one I'm familiar with. To aid me, so that I don't make any false accusations like the one made against Bitmonger505 again, I've decided to use the Webster Dictionary* website.

http://www.merriam-w...dictionary/free

From the definitions provided in the darkened box, it gives three definitions. While some might argue that my money is being held prisoner or in slavery, I think that most would agree that the most relevant definition of "Free" is "not costing any money".

Those 12 mechs weren't "free"; they were available for a predetermined price. You could say they were heavily discounted, sure, but that is to reward the customer for holding their faith that PGI shall better the game in the months to come. Perhaps if the mechs were given out through a promotional code, they would be "free".

As for the "Flame" Pattern not being a "sure thing" as justification for it "not mattering if it's exclusive", I completely disagree. It was only through the efforts of our valiant wallets that this 'Flame' Pattern was to be created and made exclusive for those who held faith in PGI during these times. The whole point of the loyalty bar was to encourage us, the players, to rally our own and others wallets together so that we may support PGI, and get others to join in to also be rewarded. It wasn't a sure thing, but we were able to overcome this challenge and earn this pattern as an exclusive for the faithful.

We earned it with our buying numbers. Afterall, PGI wouldn't lie to the player base about the status of the Loyalty Bar, right?
I was under the impression that we raised enough money to make the pattern exclusive to Phoenix purchasers, so that we could wear it with pride forevermore for our accomplishment. But, it seems PGI has decided to change its mind, or many Mechwarriors understanding of the English language is lacking, and we jumped to conclusions.



* I went with Webster Dictionary because I shall always be indebted to Webster for his contributions to the American version of the English Language, and because of him, we spell the word "JAIL" today as J-A-I-L instead of G-A-O-L. If only he were successful with more of his spelling reforms.

[Gregory Owen]

DirePhoenix, on 10 October 2013 - 03:09 PM, said:

The 'Phoenix' pattern is exclusive. The Phoenix pattern is used exclusively on the special Phoenix variant mechs. The Phoenix pattern is the one shown with the white, black, and 'phoenix red' (orange), in solid stripes.

However, what is shown under the words "Exclusive Phoenix Pattern" is not the "Phoenix" pattern. What is shown is the "Flame" pattern. It's even described as the "Flame" pattern. The "Flame" pattern is not described as exclusive, but applicable to the phoenix 'standard variant' 'mechs.

nope, the phoenix mechs will have set patterns just like founders and hero mechs. it's also it's how the colon was used, example :

Use a colon to separate lower level subheadings and figures or table identifiers from the text that follows them.

• The Colon : The colon has the following functions.
  
• Figure 14 : Diagram of colon usage statistics

so, "Exclusive phoenix pattern : Our Ultimate Loyalty Reward! upon Unlock all phoenix owners will receive the awesome 'flame' pattern"

Edited by Gregory Owen, 10 October 2013 - 03:23 PM.

[MechFrog1]

DirePhoenix, on 10 October 2013 - 03:09 PM, said:

The 'Phoenix' pattern is exclusive. The Phoenix pattern is used exclusively on the special Phoenix variant mechs. The Phoenix pattern is the one shown with the white, black, and 'phoenix red' (orange), in solid stripes.

However, what is shown under the words "Exclusive Phoenix Pattern" is not the "Phoenix" pattern. What is shown is the "Flame" pattern. It's even described as the "Flame" pattern. The "Flame" pattern is not described as exclusive, but applicable to the phoenix 'standard variant' 'mechs.

How in Atlas's rear-end can you misunderstand the title of that unlockable to be referencing a pattern not otherwise discussed in the content of the unlock? By "Exclusive Phoenix Pattern" they're clearly referencing the flame pattern, since that's the focus of that entire unlockable.

This is just getting absurd.

[Chronojam]

mint frog, on 10 October 2013 - 03:23 PM, said:

How in Atlas's rear-end can you misunderstand the title of that unlockable to be referencing a pattern not otherwise discussed in the content of the unlock?

Intentional dishonesty!

[Cimarb]

Chronojam, on 10 October 2013 - 12:41 PM, said:

It's called a copy/paste typo. Happens to me all the time, and I work for a large organization too - really not anything to get bent out of shape about, though I wish PGI would try a little harder to avoid these mistakes.

[MechFrog1]

Chronojam, on 10 October 2013 - 03:25 PM, said:

Intentional dishonesty!

I'd go with intellectual bankruptcy.

[Carl Wrede]

I dont care one bit about the flame pattern, my concern is that the Battlemaster needs a bigger headdome and smaller shoulderpads to even start looking like a Battlemaster.

[Chronojam]

Cimarb, on 10 October 2013 - 03:27 PM, said:

It's called a copy/paste typo. Happens to me all the time, and I work for a large organization too - really not anything to get bent out of shape about, though I wish PGI would try a little harder to avoid these mistakes.

This would make sense if all the other headers were "Exclusive ______" such as "Exclusive Colors" / "Exclusive Item" / "Exclusive Skin."

But in reality, they are "Phoenix Colors" and "Phoenix package cockpit item." This casts doubt on your theory, which would have made more sense if it said "Phoenix Skin" alone but somehow the word "Exclusive" was entered when it does not appear in similar context elsewhere on the page. In fact, not one of the pop-up infographics contains a similar "Exclusive _____" header.

Do you have a theory on where the "Exclusive ______" header could have been copied from? Perhaps we've overlooked it.

[Cimarb]

I pick definition 2, which means the pattern is exclusive to us purchasers, until someone else buys that exclusive room too

[Gregory Owen]

exclusive [ɪkˈskluːsɪv]
adj
1. excluding all else; rejecting other considerations, possibilities, events, etc. an exclusive preoccupation with money
2. belonging to a particular individual or group and to no other; not shared exclusive rights an exclusive story
3. belonging to or catering for a privileged minority, esp a fashionable clique an exclusive restaurant
4. (postpositive; foll by to) limited (to); found only (in) this model is exclusive to Harrods
5. single; unique; only the exclusive means of transport on the island was the bicycle
6. separate and incompatible mutually exclusive principles
7. (immediately postpositive) not including the numbers, dates, letters, etc., mentioned 1980-84 exclusive
8. (postpositive; foll by of) except (for); not taking account (of) exclusive of bonus payments, you will earn this amount
9. (Business / Commerce) Commerce (of a contract, agreement, etc.) binding the parties to do business only with each other with respect to a class of goods or services
10. (Philosophy / Logic) Logic (of a disjunction) true if only one rather than both of its component propositions is true Compare inclusive [5]
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