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[Ataboy]

Warge, on 16 August 2013 - 05:07 PM, said:

I'm not founder, but still think that founder package owners should get more respect from PGI...

I am a legendary ($120) founder and these bonuses are a slap in the face.

[Geminus]

I need me some flame pattern, so if you haven't ponied up, lets get on board. lol

[Grey Ghost]

Sam Slade, on 17 August 2013 - 10:09 PM, said:

WANT!

I don't see why this can't have a colour pallate added to it?

I don't understand why they didn't let us keep it in the first place. We could have chosen the original, or the colorable one.

[Iqfish]

NamesAreStupid, on 18 August 2013 - 07:13 AM, said:

Real CW won't be here for months. I'll be surprised if it even comes this year. Why do you think there has been absolutely NO CW info. It's because they have nothing to show. If they did, they would have nothing to lose by sharing even some rudimentary info.

I dont think so. I think they have something to show (at 15th Oct. they have to launch 1. Phase of CW, because of the loyality bonus), they just don't want to show it because people would be tearing it apart and calling rebellions (#savemwo) on systems they didn't even see yet.

[Flying Judgement]

is any one know if any of the battlemaster s could mount an AC20 ?
As my favorite weapon and the only real light hunter weapon im seriously worried as i mainly see the battlemaster having MG in those arms and usually the max cannon is a gauss in that case ohh Noooo lights gona eat mee for breakfast

Edited by Flying Judgement, 18 August 2013 - 07:46 AM.

[New Day]

IqfishLP, on 18 August 2013 - 07:40 AM, said:

I dont think so. I think they have something to show (at 15th Oct. they have to launch 1. Phase of CW, because of the loyality bonus), they just don't want to show it because people would be tearing it apart and calling rebellions (#savemwo) on systems they didn't even see yet.

And the cause of the rebellion is that they give us absolutely no info, so the right thing to do is to give us no info? 5000 people is not just a small number of discontents. Phase 1 CW will probably be nothing important. They already said that the map is Phase 3 which is what most people think when they refer to CW. We will probably get a faction bar that fills up and then gives you a small discount (think 5%) on house specific chassis. Or something equally banal.

if it's good people won't tear it apart and even if they do so what. Are they going to cry. What do they care what we think. If they think they are right why aren't they pushing out info of their vision of CW. Or maybe, just maybe they know they don't have anything and are stalling.

Also by tearing you mean Ghost Heat? Yeah that bashing was totally unjustified, way to curb that SRM2 pinpoint (another word to redefine, along with aggressive) meta.

Flying Judgement, on 18 August 2013 - 07:44 AM, said:

is any one know if any of the battlemaster s could mount an AC20 ?
As my favorite weapon and the only real light hunter weapon im seriously worried as i mainly see the battlemaster having MG in those arms and usually the max cannon is a gauss in that case ohh Noooo lights gona eat mee for breakfast

Not in the BLR-1G

Edited by NamesAreStupid, 18 August 2013 - 08:06 AM.

[Mal]

Ataboy, on 18 August 2013 - 07:26 AM, said:

I am a legendary ($120) founder and these bonuses are a slap in the face.

I'm a legendary founder as well... I don't feel slapped in the face by these bonuses. Perhaps you could explain further why you feel these bonuses have slapped you?

Our Founder's 'Mechs still earn their bonuses, they were not taken away.

Edited by Mal, 18 August 2013 - 08:27 AM.

[Aim64C]

IqfishLP, on 18 August 2013 - 07:40 AM, said:

I dont think so. I think they have something to show (at 15th Oct. they have to launch 1. Phase of CW, because of the loyality bonus), they just don't want to show it because people would be tearing it apart and calling rebellions (#savemwo) on systems they didn't even see yet.

They would be lacking in good judgment to introduce a new, un-beta'd feature into the game at launch.

We all know, from first-hand experience, that their internal testing process has holes so large enough for Victors to somersault through. If they haven't had their confidence in their internal processes shaken, yet, then this game will make an interesting case study for business management graduate students.

[Wintersdark]

Mcgral18, on 17 August 2013 - 06:59 PM, said:

1 Energy in the CT, 4 ballistic split between the arms for the Phoenix varient. Unfortunately, you can only go 150 after speed tweak with the current 170 engine cap. I'm hoping that gets lifted. 220 would be very nice, or the rather insane 262KMh with a 295XL...but I don't think we'll see over 200 any time soon.

Going the same speed as a spider, with less armor, will likely make the Locust just for fun. At least until the cap is loosened.

Unless the Locust is smaller (it should be) and more agile (again, it should be, being only 2/3rds of the Spiders mass).

But I'd really like to see speed caps lifted somewhat, because it's annoying that the 35 ton lights run at the same speed as the itty bitty lights.

[Wintersdark]

Ataboy, on 18 August 2013 - 07:26 AM, said:

I am a legendary ($120) founder and these bonuses are a slap in the face.

Oh, good lord, not the "slap in the face" line. Seriously?

This has nothing whatosever to do with founders at all. Bonus content on a current sale doesn't hurt your founders pack in any way. "PGI gives out extra bonus content for free!" - People *****, because REASONS!

[MechFrog1]

IqfishLP, on 18 August 2013 - 07:40 AM, said:

I dont think so. I think they have something to show (at 15th Oct. they have to launch 1. Phase of CW, because of the loyality bonus), they just don't want to show it because people would be tearing it apart and calling rebellions (#savemwo) on systems they didn't even see yet.

If it's good, people won't tear it apart. If it's bad, people can justifiably criticize it. That you think PGI is that paranoid of criticism doesn't bode well.

I feel bad for you that you think players getting together to ask for better communication with the devs counts as a rebellion. Maybe you can take a few minutes and reflect on what your white knight argument says about the situation. You're actually arguing that the entire playerbase should be kept in the dark about long delayed key aspects of the game because a "vocal minority" may or may not like them. Either we don't matter and should be ignored, or we do matter. You can't have it both ways.

As a participant in both of the #savemwo townhalls, no one at any of them was critical of PGI for what we do know about CW (admittedly we know almost nothing). Why do you get to accuse thousands of players of hating on PGI about something when you can provide no evidence of it? Or are you so convinced that we actually want to ruin the game that we will hate it no matter what? Why would we stick around if we didn't have hope for the game? We want CW to be awesome, we want MWO to do well.

Take a pill, get some therapy for your anti-goon grudge, and stop arguing that it's better that players be kept in the dark until the last possible moment. It's not healthy for the game.

Edited by mint frog, 18 August 2013 - 09:37 AM.

[Vassago Rain]

Belorion, on 18 August 2013 - 05:28 AM, said:

With 12 v 12 giving the chance to make more cbills, they probably needed to be nerfed.

>giving the chance.

Enjoy having zero new players because 'there is a chance' you can make more money.

[DisasterMedic]

I, for one, am just glad that I got a ghost buff to my Phoenix refund in that it now also functions to block this arbitrary progression bar on this latest upgrade to the money grab. Or rather that it would if this was done based on data and actual numbers instead of feeling like every other decision the devs make.

[Talrich]

I'll thank PGI for a bit of good here. The patterns look great. New colors are a nice little bonus, though admittedly disappointing for those who already have the PC gamer colors.

I also noted the reveal of the Battlemaster-1D variant. I hope the stock configuration has some unfilled hardpoints, because otherwise that's going to be a real dog. Exactly like the 1G, except for 2 fewer energy hardpoints? Ewww...

So, thanks PGI.

[LaserAngel]

Appogee, on 18 August 2013 - 01:39 AM, said:

Hang on. Is that an official statement from the devs? Do you have a source for that?

Because the last thing I heard was a podcast with NGNG (the Never Get Negative Guys) in which Bryan explicitly said players were earning too much and that after the CBill nerf he felt the grind was now about right.

I don't expect anyone at NGNG or anyone else for that matter to do this level of research for you.

http://www.youtube.c...-UWQoYzs&t=2819

The conversation starts at 46:58 if the link doesn't work properly. I was there and Paul is sitting on TeamSpeak with us too.

Twitch TV (Official MechWarrior IGP Channel) 2013/8/9
Bombadil: Paul in your opinion were we making too much before to where now we're just kinda feeling that loss? But we were kinda like what Phil says we were spoiled on too much income? And we’re heading more...

Paul: I know I'm going to get shot in the face for saying this but yes I do think you were making a little bit too much. I think it's about right where it is right now. Still fighting the fight for the little guy because I'm always looking at this game from the person whose can't afford to pay for anything.

That's where I’m approaching it from.

Well the thing is that it's a two barreled gun right? *laughs* There's a community side and a PGI side. I might have Russ or Bryan walking over to me right now.

Bombadil: Yeah I mean I play a lot of games and some have you know excruciating grinds and some are easier, whatever. I've always felt the grind in MWO was pretty generous. I still feel like compared to a lot of games it's still generous. Um, you know some games that are out there, that I play War Thunder. They just went through a major overhaul of their economic system. Now I can actually look forward to actually getting a plane within a week if I want to or whatever. But a week. It's a matter of... I think someone did the calculation and 4-5 hours and you can get a Mech. So...

I'm alright with it. I like a grind. I like a bit of a grind. I don't like to torture myself but...

Kageru Ikazuchi: I mean, I guess that the question is. If you’re a new player not playing premium and you work through enough of your cadet bonus to buy new Mech. As you start working up the skills on that first new mech. By the time you get to the end of the basics, can you get another? Yeah, that’s I think that should be a good metric to you know, how good are the rewards?

Niko Snow
“As we move closer to the game’s Launch on September 17, our developers will be addressing the community in an official post on our forums with a focus on C-Bill earnings and other reward systems.”

“This also helps reduce the possibility of over-shooting our adjustments and giving away too many rewards. In such a scenario, we would have to nerf those rewards permanently and be left with much upset from any players who had grown accustomed to those greater reward levels”

http://mwomercs.com/...90#entry2655090

http://mwomercs.com/...71#entry2655571

Edited by LaserAngel, 18 August 2013 - 05:13 PM.

[Iqfish]

You guys seriously have to stop thinking that 600 players are the "majority" of anything. The people behind this #savemwo stuff are "high level" or "top tier" players that i recently see on these forums being negative.
The majority is out there and happy to have a BT Game after MW4.

This community may be one of the oldest and the one with the highest expectations, but not the best, by far not.
Example: I'm already seeing posts about MG's being OP. What the hell?
I'm seeing posts about founders feeling "slapped in the face" because ProPho Buyers earned some paints.
I saw posts about Sarah's Jenner that almost made me throw up.

PGI is a small and not skilled Studio which made Console Ports in the past of terrible Games.
I (and that may be not your opinion) believe that they are doing their best, but they are a company not your personal best friend, who tells you in which direction he farts.

They are clever not giving you too much detail because its 100% guaranteed the forums will engage a shitstorm on it.
I just visit these forums to look at some fan art (Bishop Steiners for example) but the General Discussions always drive me mad. I even have a "black List", there are Names (are stupid) that I just try to avoid.

I just bough 6500 MC and I am an Overlord and proud of giving my money to PGI.

[Appogee]

Monsoon, on 18 August 2013 - 06:17 AM, said:

Here you go.

Thanks Monsoon for updating me with that quote.

LaserAngel, on 18 August 2013 - 10:05 AM, said:

I don't expect anyone at NGNG or anyone else for that matter to do this level of research for you.
http://www.youtube.c...-UWQoYzs&t=2819

Thanks Laser too for the full interview. I saw it originally but didn't remember that last quote about ''over-shooting rewards'' and so on.

The net of it for me is that I doubt we'll be seeing increased CBill rewards. But I guess we'll see within a month.

Edited by Appogee, 18 August 2013 - 10:19 AM.

[Appogee]

IqfishLP, on 18 August 2013 - 10:05 AM, said:

You guys seriously have to stop thinking that 600 players are the "majority" of anything. The people behind this #savemwo stuff are "high level" or "top tier" players that i recently see on these forums being negative.

Self-declared. I sometimes wonder about the substance behind that self-perception.

I mean, when I play as part of a team my kills and damage go way up. If I played as one of the established merc corps, they'd go up even higher, because the quality of the team around me, and the tactics being employed, would be superior.

But would that make me a 'top tier' player? I wouldn't personally be any better a player than I am now while I'm pugging with my 1.75 k/d ratio. I'd just be getting better supported by the players around me.

[DonVincenzo]

Now introducing ghost progress bar for unlockable rewards! I would have done a graph but it's actually pretty complicated stuff.

[LaserAngel]

Appogee, on 18 August 2013 - 10:11 AM, said:

Thanks Laser too for the full interview. I saw it originally but didn't remember that last quote about ''over-shooting rewards'' and so on.

The net of it for me is that I doubt we'll be seeing increased CBill rewards. But I guess we'll see within a month.

It's my job. I write up the show notes and edit our podcast. I have miles of information stored in old show notes. The fact that we record on Saturdays lets us scoop NGNG since we can talk about an entire week of information and it's very unlikely for new information from PGI/IGP to arrive on the weekends.