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[Druidika]

There's nothing wrong with a bar. The lack of actual numbers and goals is the great irritating thing.

The bar didn't move all weekend, which either means that their goals are super crazy high or no-one bought Phoenix.

[New Day]

IqfishLP, on 18 August 2013 - 10:05 AM, said:

You guys seriously have to stop thinking that 600 players are the "majority" of anything. The people behind this #savemwo stuff are "high level" or "top tier" players that i recently see on these forums being negative.
The majority is out there and happy to have a BT Game after MW4.

This community may be one of the oldest and the one with the highest expectations, but not the best, by far not.
Example: I'm already seeing posts about MG's being OP. What the hell?
I'm seeing posts about founders feeling "slapped in the face" because ProPho Buyers earned some paints.
I saw posts about Sarah's Jenner that almost made me throw up.

PGI is a small and not skilled Studio which made Console Ports in the past of terrible Games.
I (and that may be not your opinion) believe that they are doing their best, but they are a company not your personal best friend, who tells you in which direction he farts.

They are clever not giving you too much detail because its 100% guaranteed the forums will engage a shitstorm on it.
I just visit these forums to look at some fan art (Bishop Steiners for example) but the General Discussions always drive me mad. I even have a "black List", there are Names (are stupid) that I just try to avoid.

I just bough 6500 MC and I am an Overlord and proud of giving my money to PGI.

600 is interesting way to say over 5000. It's easy to say majority is happy when you don't have any proof. On the other hand this forums are clear indication of how much the real majority is happy.
Yes please, put all forum goers into 1 group.
By not too much detail you mean absolutely no info, right?

And why exactly do you avoid me. As far as I know I don't have any troll posts, so do tell. I'm curious. Is it because I don't look at MWO through nostalgia glasses like you do? I never brag that I'm high level, I'm not in any mech corps and yet I still signed the #saveMWO petition and can see how this game is going downhill because of PGI's incompetence.

Seriously how hard is to change a few numbers in a XML. It could resolve more than half our balance problems.

Anders, on 13 August 2013 - 07:23 PM, said:

#saveMWO Community Town Hall #2

The discussioning thread

...
UPDATE:

In addition to having more individuals signing the letter, we now have 26 groups signed up, some of them representing the largest organized groups currently playing MWO. These groups represent a little over 5000 players (I'm missing good unit counts on some of them, which I've left blank until I can confirm them. In the meantime, I've counted them based on my most recent available information):

In addition, the below 26 groups have signed, representing over 5000 MWO players

• Victor Morson, on behalf of the Blazing Aces (~40 members)
  
• Miekael, on behalf of The Fallen (~10 members)
  
• Lord Ikka, on behalf of the 9th Sword of the Dragon (~100 members)
  
• Stingr4y, on behalf of FWLM (~200 members)
  
• JSArrakis, on behalf of cReddit (~200 members)
  
• Anders, on behalf of the Word of Lowtax (~1500 members)
  
• MausGMR, on behalf of Clan Smoke Jaguar - Beta Galaxy (~20 members)
  
• jrgong, on behalf of the 25th Marik Militia
  
• GaussDragon, on behalf of KaoS Legion (~50 members)
  
• Stalephreak, on behalf of Zero Fox Mercs (~10 members)
  
• Durkan and Kerbango, on behalf of Last Mech Standing (~1000 players)
  
• Protection and Hylius, on behalf of Eridani Light Pony Merc Corp (~200 members)
  
• G.L. von Bluecher, on behalf of the 1st Royal Guards (~200 members)
  
• Aylward, on behalf of the 1st HeadHunters of Davion RCT (~500 members)
  
• EndGam8968, on behalf of the Omega Defense Corps
  
• Otonashi Saya, on behalf of Ryuken-Ni-Sorei
  
• Wolfp, on behalf of ZhiZhu Merc Corps (~80 members)
  
• DV McKenna, on behalf of Clan Snow Raven
  
• DrAmnesia, on behalf of the MWO Arena League (~150 players)
  
• Wild Hog, on behalf of the 6th RCT
  
• Bluemaxx, on behalf of ARMD (~400 members)
  
• Trev Firestorm, on behalf of Thunder Mountain Forces (~10 members)
  
• GMan129, on behalf of Cerberus
  
• FileTitan, on behalf of the Ghost Warriors Brigade
  
• Drangon Lee, on behalf of the Confrerie Black Dragon (~20 members)
  
• DCM Zeus, on behalf of the Luna Wolves (~100 members)
  
• DLS, on behalf of Bnl Merc Corps
  
• Gremlich Johns, on behalf of the Blood Spirits
  
• Team Leader, on behalf of the Heavy Metal Brigade (~80 members)

Finally here's the link to the petition so you can block all these 'high tier' players.

EDIT: +1 for pun

Edited by NamesAreStupid, 18 August 2013 - 10:32 AM.

[Wintersdark]

Appogee, on 18 August 2013 - 10:14 AM, said:

Self-declared. I sometimes wonder about the substance behind that self-perception.

I mean, when I play as part of a team my kills and damage go way up. If I played as one of the established merc corps, they'd go up even higher, because the quality of the team around me, and the tactics being employed, would be superior.

But would that make me a 'top tier' player? I wouldn't personally be any better a player than I am now while I'm pugging with my 1.75 k/d ratio. I'd just be getting better supported by the players around me.

This.

It's been my experience that most "top tier" players aren't. This is not an insult, I'm not saying anyone sucks.

But I've found many in merc units tend to get this attitude that they're somehow better than those who are not, and that players who PUG exclusively are somehow bad.

This attitude comes about for a couple reasons. When your interactions with PUGs are always from the view of a 4-man team on voice comms, teamwork dominates. It makes all those individual players without voice comms look terrible. So people tend to start assuming everyone else is just stupid.

"Teamwork is OP!" I'm not dissing teamwork here - MWO is a team game by its nature, and it should be. The thing is, a group of mediocre players on voice comms working together will utterly dominate a random PUG of experienced players (who don't know each other and haven't played together before). That doesn't make the mediocre players any better.

In short, it's been my experience in this (and other multiplayer games) that the player skill distribution is largely equal. You get some poor, lots of average, and some great players in organized groups, and pretty much the same distribution outside of it.

But those players in groups? Due to basic human psychology, they'll always assume they are all better (us vs. them), and their opinions on the game will tend to gravitate together as the dominant folks push their views on others.

Ultimately though? They're no different than anyone else.

[MechFrog1]

IqfishLP, on 18 August 2013 - 10:05 AM, said:

You guys seriously have to stop thinking that 600 players are the "majority" of anything. The people behind this #savemwo stuff are "high level" or "top tier" players that i recently see on these forums being negative.
The majority is out there and happy to have a BT Game after MW4.

This community may be one of the oldest and the one with the highest expectations, but not the best, by far not.
Example: I'm already seeing posts about MG's being OP. What the hell?
I'm seeing posts about founders feeling "slapped in the face" because ProPho Buyers earned some paints.
I saw posts about Sarah's Jenner that almost made me throw up.

PGI is a small and not skilled Studio which made Console Ports in the past of terrible Games.
I (and that may be not your opinion) believe that they are doing their best, but they are a company not your personal best friend, who tells you in which direction he farts.

They are clever not giving you too much detail because its 100% guaranteed the forums will engage a shitstorm on it.
I just visit these forums to look at some fan art (Bishop Steiners for example) but the General Discussions always drive me mad. I even have a "black List", there are Names (are stupid) that I just try to avoid.

I just bough 6500 MC and I am an Overlord and proud of giving my money to PGI.

1. We don't think we're the majority of anything other than the players we represent. The people behind this #savemwo stuff are out in the open and there is public record.

2. We are all happy to have another Mechwarrior Game. That doesn't mean you have to blindly accept it when you think something detrimental has been added to the game. Speaking your voice as a player is valuable both in support and when necessary, in criticism.

3. There are many examples of studios who are excited to share upcoming features/content because they feel confident that it will generate excitement and continued interest in the game. Since the #savemwo crowd is small and insignificant, not worthy of any consideration since PGI isn't our, "personal best friend" as you put it, PGI should feel confident in sharing what they have planned for next week, next month, and longer. As they have done in the past. PGI has already stated that most of the player base does not frequent the forums so what do they have to fear? Either the #savemwo crowd is an insignificant minority that can be ignored, or we are dangerous to the survival of the game should PGI give out too much information. You can't have it both ways.

4. You say yourself you don't visit the forums besides fan art, yet you speak with self-declared authority about #savemwo. Do you frequently find yourself claiming to know about the motivations and actions of large groups of people without anything but a cursory glance? Surely you would see the folly in behaving in such a manner.

5. If you feel good about purchasing MC and an overlord at this point, more power to you. No one will begrudge you if you believe you are still getting your money's worth from the game. Unfortunately for many players, recent changes to the game have made it less than enjoyable, along with a recent retreat from open lines of communication. How can communicating our issues be anything other than a positive? What if the developers changed something in the game that made it less than fun for you? Would you not want to voice your opinion?

On a lighter note, I need more MC for this conversion.

Edited by mint frog, 18 August 2013 - 11:00 AM.

[Vassago Rain]

Appogee, on 18 August 2013 - 10:14 AM, said:

Self-declared. I sometimes wonder about the substance behind that self-perception.

I mean, when I play as part of a team my kills and damage go way up. If I played as one of the established merc corps, they'd go up even higher, because the quality of the team around me, and the tactics being employed, would be superior.

But would that make me a 'top tier' player? I wouldn't personally be any better a player than I am now while I'm pugging with my 1.75 k/d ratio. I'd just be getting better supported by the players around me.

If top tier means 'pub stomp with PPCs and play controlled carebear tournaments,' then we're beyond top tier, and it's a pretty known fact that we're not very good anymore. Also a known fact that few people still play the game actively.

Not everybody who's 'top tier,' or even anybody in the game is backing the movement, and a lot are likely to drop out, because of the way they're carrying themselves.

[Iqfish]

I think we are getting a bit off-Topic here, we should continue in the appropriate threads.

[New Day]

mint frog, on 18 August 2013 - 10:43 AM, said:

And I thought me having a bit over 100k on 3 mechs was a lot, wow.

[Noesis]

mint frog, on 18 August 2013 - 10:43 AM, said:

Spoiler

1. We don't think we're the majority of anything other than the players we represent. The people behind this #savemwo stuff are out in the open and there is public record.

2. We are all happy to have another Mechwarrior Game. That doesn't mean you have to blindly accept it when you think something detrimental has been added to the game. Speaking your voice as a player is valuable both in support and when necessary, in criticism.

3. There are many examples of studios who are excited to share upcoming features/content because they feel confident that it will generate excitement and continued interest in the game. Since the #savemwo crowd is small and insignificant, not worthy of any consideration since PGI isn't our, "personal best friend" as you put it, PGI should feel confident in sharing what they have planned for next week, next month, and longer. As they have done in the past. PGI has already stated that most of the player base does not frequent the forums so what do they have to fear? Either the #savemwo crowd is an insignificant minority that can be ignored, or we are dangerous to the survival of the game should PGI give out too much information. You can't have it both ways.

4. You say yourself you don't visit the forums besides fan art, yet you speak with self-declared authority about #savemwo. Do you frequently find yourself claiming to know about the motivations and actions of large groups of people without anything but a cursory glance? Surely you would see the folly in behaving in such a manner.

5. If you feel good about purchasing MC and an overlord at this point, more power to you. No one will begrudge you if you believe you are still getting your money's worth from the game. Unfortunately for many players, recent changes to the game have made it less than enjoyable, along with a recent retreat from open lines of communication. How can communicating our issues be anything other than a positive? What if the developers changed something in the game that made it less than fun for you? Would you not want to voice your opinion?

On a lighter note, I need more MC for this conversion.

Goons, under represented control freaks with a notorious history of ruining games for others. Google is your friend if unaware.

PGI does share information and has lots of posts and media formats it demonstrates the progression of the game. NGNG, ask the devs posts, command chair posts, announcements, future development projection posts, twitter, other gaming media and so on. It is hardly silent and they have said before they will present details about major features when they have reached the best possible stage to do so. It isn't the absence of information provision that is the problem then only the patience of certain players.

And I would hardly say that wanting to oust PGI in favour of another developer demonstrates a keenness to maintain mutual discussion on the issues. "You can't have it both ways". But now you turn coat and rally to wanting to communicate as the new direction since the #savemwo was a failure, hf trying to convince the majority voice of your "convictions".

Edited by Noesis, 18 August 2013 - 11:09 AM.

[New Day]

IqfishLP, on 18 August 2013 - 11:03 AM, said:

I think we are getting a bit off-Topic here, we should continue in the appropriate threads.

Noesis, on 18 August 2013 - 11:04 AM, said:

Goons, under represented control freaks with a notorious history of ruining games for others. Google is your friend if unaware.

PGI does share information and has lots of posts and media formats it demonstrates the progression of the game. NGNG, ask the devs posts, command chair posts, announcements, future development projection posts, twitter, other gaming media and so on. It is hardly silent and they have said before they will present details about major features when they have reached the best possible stage to do so. It isn't the absence of information provision that is the problem then only the patience of certain players.

And I would hardly say that wanting to oust PGI in favour of another developer demonstrates a keenness to maintain mutual discussion on the issues. "You can't have it both ways". But now you turn coat and rally to wanting to communicate as the new direction since the #savemwo was a failure, hf trying to convince the majority voice of your convictions.

What?

[LaserAngel]

Noesis, on 18 August 2013 - 11:04 AM, said:

Goons, under represented control freaks with a notorious history of ruining games for others. Google is your friend if unaware.

PGI does share information and has lots of posts and media formats it demonstrates the progression of the game. NGNG, ask the devs posts, command chair posts, announcements, future development projection posts, twitter, other gaming media and so on. It is hardly silent and they have said before they will present details about major features when they have reached the best possible stage to do so. It isn't the absence of information provision that is the problem then only the patience of certain players.

And I would hardly say that wanting to oust PGI in favour of another developer demonstrates a keenness to maintain mutual discussion on the issues. "You can't have it both ways". But now you turn coat and rally to wanting to communicate as the new direction since the #savemwo was a failure, hf trying to convince the majority voice of your convictions.

It would be nice if PGI would somehow use their own website instead of a myriad of others and media formats to share information with us.

First it was in the invisible Twitter audience. Now it's the invisible Google+ audience.

I mean, I can aggregate all this information on MWO but I don't expect anyone else to do so.

[MechFrog1]

Noesis, on 18 August 2013 - 11:04 AM, said:

And I would hardly say that wanting to oust PGI in favour of another developer demonstrates a keenness to maintain mutual discussion on the issues.

I've been a goon since 2001. I'm very aware of what goons are and aren't. Plus Bing is a superior search engine.

Source on the ousting dev claim?

NamesAreStupid, on 18 August 2013 - 11:04 AM, said:

And I thought me having a bit over 100k on 3 mechs was a lot, wow.

Goons play a lot. At least we used to.

Edited by mint frog, 18 August 2013 - 11:16 AM.

[Prezimonto]

Anyone else worried that the scaling on that image will be correct?

A 20ton mech, larger than the 30 ton jenner? Given the same general shape of the jenner I was expecting this mech to be an even smaller upright profile.

[Panboy]

As a goon who has overlord I thank PGI for these lovely skins, I may even use them in October when the pack gets unlocked hopefully by then the game will be better.

As for people saying PGI communicate fine i ask the following questions.

1: What was Ghost heat supposed to fix? by nerfing most every weapon in the game.
2: What does Desync gauss and PPC mean?

When we have answers to such quandarys then I will believe PGI are communicating.

[Bracchus]

Prezimonto, on 18 August 2013 - 11:21 AM, said:

Anyone else worried that the scaling on that image will be correct?

A 20ton mech, larger than the 30 ton jenner? Given the same general shape of the jenner I was expecting this mech to be an even smaller upright profile.

I seem to remember them saying that the scaling on the pics shown aren't correct, they are about the same size in the pics just so we can see them fine details

Edited by Bracchus, 18 August 2013 - 11:28 AM.

[Iqfish]

You should not count my statement as a flee or something, I just don't want to join the war between moderators and the #savemwo people (egomane vs the world!).

I appreciate your efforts to make this game a better game, and so does PGI (see Garths statements) but there is a reason two of the #savemwo threads were moved to the junk pile.

As Noesis said, PGI is communicating enough, far more than the majority of other studios/publishers. We are talking about a F2P game, with a, lets say, complicated community.

Just because you have some units giving you your name that does NOT mean you have all these people on your side.

You know what? I have signed the petition. But BEFORE that turned into a massive "PGI is the worst company ever because they nerfed my cbills"

And btw: Liking your own posts is nooot cool. Not even for someone who is named after an old HUD bug.

Edited by IqfishLP, 18 August 2013 - 11:34 AM.

[KKillian]

So are we supposed to have the new colours already or not?

[StandingCow]

IqfishLP, on 18 August 2013 - 11:29 AM, said:

You should not count my statement as a flee or something, I just don't want to join the war between moderators and the #savemwo people (egomane vs the world!).

I appreciate your efforts to make this game a better game, and so does PGI (see Garths statements) but there is a reason two of the #savemwo threads were moved to the junk pile.

As Noesis said, PGI is communicating enough, far more than the majority of other studios/publishers. We are talking about a F2P game, with a, lets say, complicated community.

Just because you have some units giving you your name that does NOT mean you have all these people on your side.

You know what? I have signed the petition. But BEFORE that turned into a massive "PGI is the worst company ever because they nerfed my cbills"

When did it ever turn into that? It is still about the lack of communication, which the cbill nerf falls into in part. We have a dev saying we were earning too much, then we have a moderator (or whatever) say it's to make room for future cbill earnings.... so if we are getting more ways to earn cbills that means we were earning the correct amount.... or am I missing something here?

Edited by StandingCow, 18 August 2013 - 11:40 AM.

[Nicholas Carlyle]

When is the last day to buy the package? Still can't quite bring myself to pull the trigger.

[Monsoon]

NamesAreStupid, on 18 August 2013 - 07:13 AM, said:

But we aren't getting them NOW, so why not, on the same patch we get those increased rewards, lower the CBs then. I tell you why, so they can tell us they decreased them by 50% so as to 'test the economy' and then increased them by 50% since it's all the same, right? I also have no idea how you think that the UI and clan markings CW are supposed to impact that.

Real CW won't be here for months. I'll be surprised if it even comes this year. Why do you think there has been absolutely NO CW info. It's because they have nothing to show. If they did, they would have nothing to lose by sharing even some rudimentary info.

And please do tell how people are making more money than before because that is impossible. Are you also going to say more people are playing the game now because balance has been getting better in the last 6 months. Because I can blatantly lie too. I know I was able to earn more than 200k on good matches and now barely break 150k on a good one. Don't trust me, just look at all the threads with pictures.

EDIT: Just read the Niko Snow's post and it's basically what I said. They nerf them now so when they increase them somewhat they can say 'Look guys we lowered them by 50% then increased them by 50% all good'. Quite obvious really, I don't know who are they trying to fool.

Also this makes no sense they could just implement the new rewards and lower all the others a bit. If the new average is higher than before just lower a bit again. But their idea is NERF EVERYTHING INTO THE GROUND then maybe a few months later increase it a bit and then give up.

Sigh...the only thing that comes across as obvious, is that you're one of those conspiracy theory types. I bet you believe Elvis, Marilyn Monroe, {Godwin's Law} and Bruce Lee are all on an island drinking Daiquiris together. No doubt all funded by PGI, because they're not really here to make a game, but just to annoy you.

Thread with pictures? So what, that doesn't paint a picture of whay they did. Also look here from this thread alone:

Koniving, on 17 August 2013 - 09:43 PM, said:

But yes: "Nerf" or not, I'm making more money now than I ever did with a hero mech or premium before the "nerf."
I used to have to combine a hero + premium to make this kind of money (in the 200,000 mark), so I'm swimming in cash!

I confess I'm also spending more time saving teammates than I used to, too. I'll do my own thing as usual, but rather than score a crapload of kills when I flank solo behind enemy lines I'll find myself waiting for a teammate to get swarmed. Then when it happens I'll come in to save the day and cash in big, then zoom off to save some other damsel in distress.

Saving the day pays pretty well, I must say. The 49 thousand was definitely the high end pay-out for a single bullet, but I'm working at least an hour a day to get higher than that.

Now while it is anecdotal, Koniving and I don't agree on allot of things, or we have different views at the vary least. Yet, he isn't the first person I've seen saying they're making more money and as I've stated, I've made 140k on a loss, and I've broken over 200k in my Ilya with a win. Sure on missions where I didn't really fight, I've only made 66-80k, but in matches with heavy involvement AND contribution the money has be quite good, win or lose.

Edited by Monsoon, 18 August 2013 - 12:00 PM.

[Ter Ushaka]

Nicholas Carlyle, on 18 August 2013 - 11:51 AM, said:

When is the last day to buy the package? Still can't quite bring myself to pull the trigger.

There's no longer a final date to purchase the package, as it's been transformed into a Kickstarter-esque "stretch goal" to entice more people to buy into it. Since plans to launch the first of the robots on October 15th, I'd assume the cutoff could be as late as the 14th, though it'll probably be something earlier like the 1st.