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#121 Bishop Steiner

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 12:39 PM

View PostTabrias07, on 20 August 2013 - 10:44 AM, said:

http://www.competiti.../eng/03133.html

I'm emailing IGP and asking for a refund of every penny I've spent on this game. I'm not playing it again anyway. (unless they add a 1PV queue, but I sincerely doubt it will ever happen.)


Heart breaking. Bye bye

#122 Thuzel

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 12:40 PM

View PostMeridian, on 20 August 2013 - 12:32 PM, said:


Honestly? Because it would take a player base that seems to be shrinking and fragment it into two separate groups. Which then increases drop time or makes their horrific matchmaking even worse.

This appears to be what is known as the "Circling the drain phase". They've hit a point where they can't fix it.

I feel sorry for the actual programmers, but considering the general quality of their management it looks to be pretty inevitable.


That's definitely what it feels like.

I'm horrified at the idea that the only MW game to come out in a decade would crash and burn this way, but PGI has done their best to make that happen. I'd almost think they did it on purpose. Their failures have been so spectacular that it's honestly hard to believe that this wasn't their intention from the beginning.

As far as the que separation goes, it wouldn't be hard to implement a "preferential" system as a compromise. Let the system try to group 1pv only players unless it absolutely needs to use 3pv players to fill in the gaps. Even that would be a vast improvement.

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 12:42 PM

It's Awful.. I still do not understand why it is needed, it's not my cup of tea - but sure some people might like it... but despite reassuring us that there will be a first player only queue - it doesn't work

So I'm going back to MWLL until they at least fix FPV/3pv queues

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 12:42 PM

And really, when ~.011% of the community is complaining, PGI should take notice,

I hope they make a truly "hardcore" mode. Then I won't have to worry about playing with 99.9% of the MWO posting community.

Do like it? Don't play. And to think that you are going to get a refund makes it even more amusing.

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 12:43 PM

I completely understand the desire for PGI to develop 3pv to make it easier on new players but was always going to **** off the current userbase so . . .

why not leave the default queue as 1pv and add additional 'Beginner' queues that are 3pv enabled?

Having played quite a few games now it has to be said that the implementation is pretty dreadful and does nothing to help new players at all, which is sad given this was the reason for it's inclusion.

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 12:44 PM

On 3PV the feature -

Worst of both worlds. In its current implementation it's got no use for piloting, poor leg view. The only function it has is peeking around corners and over hills and damaging overall balance as well as crushing what few tactical elements remained in the game.

If you feel the casual gamers will invest in MWO to the same degree if not more so than the hardcore gamers who've literally donated all the money you've gotten up to this point (donated, by the way, with the promise of 1st person only, until you reneged on that and at least separate queues) then just put it in all the way. Just fully functional 3PV with HUD, maps and no goofy UAV. Just do it, pull the trigger and see where the game goes. This current implementation seems custom designed to make as few people happy as possible. You've added 3PV which gives the superior FOV, spy around corners and over hills experience while making it inferior for fighting but you can just switch between them so to play now I have to either play at a huge disadvantage or pop back and forth with 3PV for wallhacks view and 1PV for shooting.

Just put 3PV in. Pull the trigger, thank everyone who's donated money so far and point them to the door and explain now that you've got their money you need someone elses money. It's a business and you need to get paid. I get that in a lot of ways. A lot of businesses make that mistake, the grass is greener on the other side sort of thing, this idea that if you just do THIS then you'll get all these other people waiting in the wings with credit cards in hand but the current 3PV is only going to do one thing - absolutely **** off anyone who does want the 3PV experience. It's not a newbie tool it's a new exploit for experienced players.

The fundamental truth though is that you lied to us. Bald faced and direct. I'm not sure at this point if you're just lying to your consumers or if you're lying to yourselves but you did, in fact, absolutely lie.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 12:38 AM
Here are the facts.
  • Yes we are currently working on a 3rd person option for MWO.
  • There is no ETA for when 3rd person will be available.
  • Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person.
Why add 3rd person?
  • Reduces friction for non-MechWarrior players, non-core players, and expands the MWO market to a broader audience. It helps to make the game more accessible and less intimidating.
  • Offers up a different style of gameplay and tactics.
You will have the following options as a player:
  • Play against 1st and 3rd person players.
  • Play against 3rd person players only.
  • Play against 1st person players only.
  • Players can set their preference in the options menu, or during the launch phase before matchmaking.

I love the bit where Bryan starts with 'Here are the facts'. Oh really? I don't think that word means what you think it means.

You lie to me and then want my money? I'm just... blown away at the moment.

I'll be honest - I don't care about the feature at this point. Balance issues come and go, that's the nature of games and I get that. I can be patient about that. Integrity though or a lack of it, that's not something that has any right to expect to be forgiven by your consumers. You sell someone a product based on promises and then do the opposite, what results do you expect from that?

This isn't personal in that regard - I don't know you guys, I don't know who you are as people. I don't know what you're thinking or feeling. I can only judge you by what you do.

What you've done however is lie. How do you expect us to respond to that? 'LOL, ah well, you lied to me, here's my credit card info.'

That lacks integrity and prevents any confidence building. The other balancing stuff in the patch seems great - except for that part where you lied.

I get that this response is harsh. I'd like to think that historically I've always tried to be fair and reasonable. I've done my fair share of white knighting. I've worked in the industry and I absolutely get that change is the biggest constant and sometimes promises outreach technical ability.

This though was a lie. There was a meeting, or an e-mail discussion, or a conference call, or several of the above where the decision was made to do the opposite of what you said you'd do and just not mention it. Did anyone even say 'maybe nobody will notice'? Did it get a laugh? Would it have? Should it have?

Again, integrity isn't about who you are but what you do. How you act relative to what you say. This act absolutely lacks integrity. How are we supposed to judge that?

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 12:44 PM

Why not a system where if you choose third person you are stuck third person for the entire match. Visa Versa

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 12:45 PM

Come on everyone, we'll only have to endure the 3pv for 2 weeks...I hope

#129 SuperJoe

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 12:45 PM

i think the real reason of inclusion is so ppl can see their pretty camos and have more of an incentive to buy more. what's this nonesense about helping new players, if they wanted to help new players they would have added a tutorial or in game hot tips or something by now.

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 12:49 PM




Gold founders go away, Game is on the way
Armor double, sway backs, Gausspults gotta go.
Small lasers, Gauss ballistic, lag shield,
LRMs, Shut up the devs already know.

SRM Cent Bomb, LRM, Jenner FOTM,
Commando, Dragons fly, Knock down is a lie.
Where is the unseen, Streakcat is friggin mean,
Kataetoa threads why, PGI goodbye!

KONG didn't start the fire
It was always burning
Since the games been turning
KONG didn't start the fire
No we didn't light it
But we tried to fight it

#131 GODzillaGSPB

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 12:50 PM

Every mech is now a scout that can look around corners and over cover.

Behold:


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It's the SCOUT DESIGN PILLAR in it's current glory! :D

#132 Zoknov

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 12:50 PM

The amount of QQing in this community is incredible!

Did you even try 3rd person view at all? All you QQ-guys, you should try it.

I would really love to play in 3rd person view. As it is now even I would prefer to play in 1st person. And i guess most others will too. So why do you worry? Everyone is gonna go back to 1st person and all your QQ just not needed...

So please... for gods sake stop the tears... ppl from other games who accidently get into this forum will think you are all kids whos toys have been stolen!

It is embrassing! Get over it! Take it like a man not like a child!

#133 Big Bad Wulf

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 12:50 PM

I guess this is it for me, we can argue all we want but PGI will not listen. They have not done anything to address the real problems in MWO. I personally feel betrayed having spend money to support the game.

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 12:50 PM

As a long time gamer i've seen and played many games. They were developed by a various companies, some of these were respectable, others not so much.

Heck, i've even seen when companies gone back on their words before, usually it provoked similar responses from the communities. But i've never seen one that did it this many times. Not to mention every single patch is broken in some way.

This mess with the 3PV implementation is the last drop, i wanted to spend money on this game, i wanted to believe there is a shining light on the end of the tunnel.

Not anymore.

I have respect for most of the developer team, some of you guys are doin' a damn awesome work. However, with this patch PGI joins the club that was reserved for Wargaming only until now and the reward for this achievement is not getting money from me ever again.

I'll be back to play this game when we get HC queue AND the hit detection is fixed, but you won't see a cent from me.

Cheers!

Edited by Bloody Moon, 20 August 2013 - 12:52 PM.


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Posted 20 August 2013 - 12:51 PM

I shouldn't have activated my premium time :D I have lost all incentive to play. Scouts no longer have to ever be visible to us at all since they can see over mountains. Assaults never risk a faulty engagement because they see around corners. Snipers are infinitely more powerful and brawling is even more useless since you'll be seen coming by people you can't shoot at hundreds of meters before you reach them.

It's over. The game is done for me. I'll struggle through some matches here and again because I just can't be bothered to throw away a month of premium time but this is the first time I've actually felt like the gameplay was destroyed. The heat thing I can deal with, absurdly overpowered Gauss rifles that will never be altered I can handle, constant shifting in missile damage I'll roll along with, not being able to boat anymore I'll adapt to, but know that I can't move forward on the battlefield without putting myself at risk of anyone who can be camping out of sight of me is the end of this game.

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 12:51 PM

Oh dear to busy with 3rd person view to fix the REAL game problems.

I am sorry to say that 3rd person view does give an advantage to player using this view. Ok only a small one, that of being able to see over hills and see mechs at range (BUT NO WEAPON LOCK). But it is there use testing ground to see for yourself.

Yes you are supposed to see camera above Mech to give them away, but I can see mech at 800+m and you see small camera above Mech at that range?

#137 DaZur

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 12:51 PM

Just a small comment regarding "I can't see my legs"...

Honestly, it's a concession. You think everyone's ripped over the "improved" FoV now... Imagine the view pulled back far enough to view the mechs in their entirety... :D

At that point it might as well be MW:Tactics for the spacious view we would have been afforded...

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 12:53 PM

I have a question. Does the 3PV shows the explosions that block the cockpit view when I get hit by ACs?

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 12:53 PM

View PostM0rpHeu5, on 20 August 2013 - 12:45 PM, said:

Come on everyone, we'll only have to endure the 3pv for 2 weeks...I hope


Two weeks? Oh hell no! I'm hoping the extreme outrage of how they've failed here becomes so evident, so clear that they will be forced to make a new patch ASAP to add in 1PV mode ONLY and PDQ (Pretty d*mn quick). I've also done my share of white knighting and defending PGI, but this one has finally broke the camel's back.

PGI said they would NEVER force people to play both 1st and 3rd person view. And yet I can't play 1st person view only with other people who play 1st person view only for all 24 players. So as of now, either someone dropped the ball on this really...REALLY badly or they flat out lied to us. And frankly, I'm pissed.

View PostZoknov, on 20 August 2013 - 12:50 PM, said:

The amount of QQing in this community is incredible!

Did you even try 3rd person view at all? All you QQ-guys, you should try it.

I would really love to play in 3rd person view. As it is now even I would prefer to play in 1st person. And i guess most others will too. So why do you worry? Everyone is gonna go back to 1st person and all your QQ just not needed...

So please... for gods sake stop the tears... ppl from other games who accidently get into this forum will think you are all kids whos toys have been stolen!

It is embrassing! Get over it! Take it like a man not like a child!


Did you even READ my earlier posts saying I've played 3rd person and my team using a mix of both 1st and 3rd person view switching ROFL-stomped the other team playing entirely in 1st person view?

Before you go ahead spouting general accusations, read the whole thread, mmmkay?

Edited by Tice Daurus, 20 August 2013 - 12:57 PM.


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Posted 20 August 2013 - 12:53 PM

Played third person, it's a bit hard to use, didn't care for it, went to first person, killed mechs.





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