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[Ranik Selesky]

Mystere, on 21 August 2013 - 08:10 AM, said:

I can understand people leaving and asking for refunds. I can even somewhat understand the raging. It is their right to do so if they are so unhappy with the game. But "poisoning the well" as they leave? Tsk! Tsk!

The Internet seems to have made acceptable behavior that used to be considered questionable.

It is a basic consumer right to tell others about companies which lie to the customers. If you think otherwise then white knighting can only go so far before you are a walking joke.

[grayson marik]

Your Friend Mr Rogers, on 20 August 2013 - 09:43 PM, said:

Everyone who is complaining is complaining for the sake of complaining. I have played multiple games now after the patch, and third person view has literally changed nothing in the way the game is played. SO PEOPLE STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT NOTHING I KNOW IT SEEMS A POPULAR THING TO DO ON THIS FORUM, BUT PLEASE STOP IT. No one even ******* uses it!!!! I can only watch people complain about nothing for so long then I let it all out. All they did was add a very benign feature that does nothing. People will say if it is benign then why did they add it. I don't know, but who gives a ****. All i use for is to admire my mech for maybe the first 5 SECONDS OF THE GAME.

Might be 3rdPV is neartly unusable right now.
This would point in the same direction as Russ telling people "showing a picture from 3rd PV is not the smoking gun..:"

But face it:
The current things like :

not able to see legs on every mech i control
jumping reticle
no minimap
etc etc etc

will get adressed because the people who like to play 3rd will (rightfully) complain about these.

so wahts going to happen:

3rdPV will ge improved for better playability

but at the same time, those who do not want to play 3rdPV will still be locked into the same queue with the 3rd PV lovers.


so we will all be forced to play 3rd, no matter if we want to.


TL DR:

We have every f.u.c.k.i.n.g right to complain about yet another lie PGI served to us and we should do it even 3 times louder than we are currently doing it!

[Vectoron]

Bloody Moon, on 21 August 2013 - 08:16 AM, said:

Check the images which are on the same page as your post, THAT is why people are complaining. They don't want to be forced to play with people who are able to peek around the corners hills and whatnot. Surely it is not hard to understand.

Amen.

[Deathlike]

DisasterMedic, on 21 August 2013 - 08:17 AM, said:

It does intrigue me, on reflection, that he claims to play 6 hours a day at the office yet doesn't understand that anybody using 3rd person view for spotting would avoid jumping from the same location in which they spot. It must be nice to play in the bottom Elo range.

#SeeMWODevELO

[Hexenhammer]

Vamboozle, on 21 August 2013 - 07:50 AM, said:

So in summary:

will 3PV stop me from playing MWO? Not sure yet
would I recommend MWO to a friend? Probably not
will I ever believe a word PGI say to me again? Probably not
will I invest anymore money into MWO? Probably not
will I invest anymore money into a PGI games? Probably not
do I think this post or the hundreds before it will make a blind bit of difference to PGI? Probably not
is this the start of the end for MWO? I hope not but I suspect it might be

Ditto

is this the start of the end for MWO? I don't know. PGI is the only big stompy mech drug dealer around so who do we go to to for our big bot fix? And PGI knows it so that makes us their [redacted].

Edited by Hexenhammer, 21 August 2013 - 08:33 AM.

[Mystere]

Renaissance, on 21 August 2013 - 08:12 AM, said:

I thought the same thing about a number of controversial internet behaviors a long, long time ago. You're getting old, Mystere.

Gettting old? Maybe. But what I do know is that reading all of this whining is getting tiresome ... except that it is also quite entertaining at times if done moderately (the reading, that is, and not the whining).

[Syrkres]

What - it took over 2 months for 11,000+ people to buy a Sarah jenner, and less than 24hours for 13,000 responses to 3rd Person view.


And still no word from our sponser...

[Blyze]

Bloody Moon, on 21 August 2013 - 08:16 AM, said:

Check the images which are on the same page as your post, THAT is why people are complaining. They don't want to be forced to play with people who are able to peek around the corners hills and whatnot. Surely it is not hard to understand.

I saw them while I was updating the thread and composing the post. I've seen the River City pic, too.

That's what I meant when I was talking about the FOV gain. What I don't see is the impact that has. You can't lock and tag for LRMs or anything like that. Hell, you can't even call out their grid reference without the map, the best you can do is "There's a guy behind the building behind that bigger building by the river...nope...shoot farther to the left..."

If it really does affect actual gameplay--the actual things that happen, not just what one person gets to see because of their visionmode--that much, I'd like to see some video showing how the extra vision can be used unfairly.

Edited by Celarnor, 21 August 2013 - 08:27 AM.

[Corwin Maxwell]

So enjoying watching the MWO world burn!
http://9thcivic.com/...m_d39sa07_1.gif

[OnLashoc]

I like the 3PV!

My stats are just as good as in 1PV if not worse, using it exclusively the past 24 hours, there is no "gained advantage" over 1PV.

I've had some teammates suddenly show up again after being away for months, and a couple more that are now thinking about finally giving MWO a shot because it's no longer "1PV Only".

I will say this much, what I thought was some sort of aimbot included with it, really sucks. I can't pin point my shots like I could in 1PV so I'm missing LOTS of shots because of this

*sudden jump to target when reticle get's close to enemy where I'm aiming so my shot just hits in a general area rather than say Left-torso-because-that-is-where-they-are-crit-and-I-need-my-shot-to-hit-there-to-kill-them-arrrrrg-this-is-frustrating!!*

I will also say, that I have some very 1PV minded teammates that are completely against the idea for the sake of being a purist and not liking 3PV games period, but aren't willing to even give it a chance and see that it really doesn't give any unfair advantages over 1PV setup, the wallhack of a module seismic, and simply someone else seeing a target and hitting "R" on it and now the whole team can see that player.

In fact I will say I've had more people run into me, or get stuck on a piece of terrain, or shoot me in the back because of 3PV issue than ever before.

So stop being a reared jackass and give it a shot.

Sure they should have included a separate queue, I whole heartedly agree. But let's not split hairs over it and cry wolf. This is for 3PV feedback and it's functionality, not to ***** and moan about how much you hate 3PV being a part of the game. IF you want to do that, then go start a suggestion to remove 3PV.

[TostitoBandito]

At the very least they need to remove the option to toggle between views during a match. You should be locked into one view or the other for the entire match. That will mitigate a lot of the abuse, since without the ability to switch 3PV more or less just sucks.

Edited by TostitoBandito, 21 August 2013 - 08:27 AM.

[MizarPanzer]

Action speaks louder than words!

Stop buying MC, buying hero mechs, buying whatever packages, or doing any action that will make them think they can get away with openly trolling the player base.

[Uba]

Piranha Games Inc.
Attn: Public Relations Department (or drunk intern who acts as current PR department)
Vancouver Canada


On behalf of the noble player base of Mechwarrior Online it has come to our attention that Piranha Games Inc. President Russ Bullock can not be expected to behave in a rational and professional light on his Twitter account (handle @russ_bullock). Although this account appears to be private he is displaying himself as the professional face of PGI's upper management through said account. While this is not uncommon, his actions and comments on this social media platform have become questionable in their moral, ethical and rational reasoning's. Openly encouraging a player to leave a game that his company makes, and as a result of the consumer/producer interaction are dependent on, sends the message he doesn't care about having players. This could be because he is a Canadian and they lack souls (see: Andersbot) or it could be because he just does not understand the situation he is in. As the CEO of a company, Russ's comments reflect those of the entire company, a company that many fans gave money to in exchange for a promised set of features for a game. Up until this point said features have been delayed, removed, or completely changed while additionally needless features are added and defended by Russ, and PGI by proxy. To add to this, Russ has displayed more interest in promoting positive comments for his company's viewpoint while ignoring or talking down to any negative feedback. As a CEO he, most likely, is expected to hear bad news routinely. Whether this is due to the fall of the Loonie, the rise of bitcoins, or because a polar bear is outside the mal office building, to flat out deny any negative opinion of a game that is still in ~BETA~ is foolish. I sincerely hope Human Resources and the Public Relations department discuss with Russ the problems outlined above and any additional issues he may have caused that have not been mentioned by this letter about how to behave in public and on social media platforms. One course of action that has proven to be effective is the removal of tweeting & posting privelegs until he undergoes and passes "Public Relations 101" at the local community college or equivalent adult education classes. It would also be best to send him to a business school, and possibly fund a scholarship for the design team to go to a video game design school while there is still money in the bank before more previous backers ask for refunds.

I hope this letter reaches you and that you are well.

Hugs & kisses.

Uba

[Burning Chrome]

3pv is ***.

Almost as *** as PGI's interpretation of ECM.

Craptacular fail.

Wasted money on Founders and Goldenboy.

Glad I resisted the Phoenix hokum.

Lesson learned.

Fail.

[Solis Obscuri]

Monky, on 21 August 2013 - 01:05 AM, said:

Paul made a follow up post to the now infamous spider 3PV screenshot dismissing it (and by extension arguments about the 3PV scouting behind cover) as a bug.

Here is this post; http://mwomercs.com/...e-those-queues/

In response, I spent a little while taking a scenic tour of River City in 1PV/3PV and snapping some screenshots of areas that avoid the ray trace bug, posted here for easier digestion;

http://mwomercs.com/...tracing-errors/

Please help bring attention to this, that is 45 minutes of halfassedly looking for exploits, surely someone on the QA team could have made a 30 minute pass on each of the maps and located MULTIPLE more sites where this problem occurs without the ray trace bug (which still should not have slipped through as you can repro it against any surface - this feature was not tested internally and they ignored input from the test servers where this very issue was identified, though the cause wasn't known at the time).

You seriously think the QA team could find ice in Antarctica?

[IceSerpent]

Celarnor, on 21 August 2013 - 08:26 AM, said:

That's what I meant when I was talking about the FOV gain. What I don't see is the impact that has. You can't lock and tag for LRMs or anything like that. Hell, you can't even call out their grid reference without the map, the best you can do is "There's a guy behind the building behind that bigger building by the river...nope...shoot farther to the left..."

The important bit that you are missing is that you can switch between the modes. Stop behind cover, switch to 3PV, scout, switch back to 1PV, tell your team about the enemy location...or stop behind cover, switch to 3PV, find a target, switch to 1PV, move a few meters to the side and jump snipe the target.

[Mystere]

nehebkau, on 21 August 2013 - 07:43 AM, said:

I think the 3rd person is a good idea.

I don't think its current implementation is right. I believe that the camera should be a module, like ECM or BAP, 1 slot and maybe .5 weight. I think that in 3rd person mode you shouldn't have your targeting reticuli, nor should you have your hit-detection indicators. Some people like to pilot in 3rd, specially in crowed spaces and i don't have a problem with it, given that it's advantages come with relevant associated draw backs.

How do these suggestions look to you?

[Rashkae]

As Bryan so eloquently stated....

Here are the facts:

1. PGI, you lied to us.
2. You are in violation of http://www.competiti.../eng/03133.html because you clearly stated "facts" and one of those is that we WOULD NOT BE FORCED TO PLAY AGAINST 3PV PLAYERS. You have therefore misled your consumers.
3. One Dev with an elo score so low he never drops with experienced players and gets roflstomped by newbies should not be permitted to arbitrarily change his mind about facts.
4. Until you start keeping your promises, I will make sure to inform others NOT to spend MC based on "promises" from PGI because those "promises/facts" are actually lies.
5. Everyone here will just move to Star Citizen.

So, where can we request a full refund for all our MC/Founders/Phoenix packages? Since you defrauded us with your misleading statements.

Oh, and as for Bryan saying he's done discussing it: Dear Bryan and PGI, you made you non-paying, free-to-play fanbase happy with 3pv. But the people who pumped real money into the game? You just alienated all of us. In other companies, people who lie to their customers would get fired.

[OnLashoc]

WoW looks like they took those suggestions and made it reality, nice job PGI!

[skamage]

Rashkae, on 21 August 2013 - 08:36 AM, said:

So, where can we request a full refund for all our MC/Founders/Phoenix packages? Since you defrauded us with your misleading statements.

Go to Support and open a ticket, there is a drop down for "Billing -> Refunds"