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[extraammo]

Chronojam, on 27 August 2013 - 11:56 AM, said:

"It's beta!" is next I think.

You all really need to stop acting like children. I've been following this thread for a week now and all I can say is that the behavior of the community is far more frustrating than what PGI is doing.

What ya'll should do is play MORE and then give objective feedback on the features implemented based on your experiences. Rather than yelling at the devs for experimenting with their game, you should be trying to have fun.

None of you own any of the game, you only own content in the game which has been or will be delivered. So stop acting like you have a right to force the devs to make their game anyway they don't want to.

[AndyHill]

We have tested the feature on the public test server and given feedback, which was not listened to, at all. Why should we believe it will be any different now that the feature is out in the actual game servers?

[QuaxDerBruchpilot]

extraammo, on 27 August 2013 - 12:11 PM, said:

You all really need to stop acting like children. I've been following this thread for a week now and all I can say is that the behavior of the community is far more frustrating than what PGI is doing.

What ya'll should do is play MORE and then give objective feedback on the features implemented based on your experiences. Rather than yelling at the devs for experimenting with their game, you should be trying to have fun.

None of you own any of the game, you only own content in the game which has been or will be delivered. So stop acting like you have a right to force the devs to make their game anyway they don't want to.

Where's the dislike button when you need one ...

[Ravensshadow]

Quax1102, on 27 August 2013 - 12:33 PM, said:

Where's the dislike button when you need one ...

You obviously have not actually been reading the posts.

The feedback has actually been quite civil and the feedback has been constructive.

Players have put in dozens of hours making videos and screenshots showing exploits and other abuses of 3pv. Also you seem to be ignoring the FACT the mwo community was told clearly and admantly that we would never be FORCED to play against 3pvers. Now if i was to play the game i am forced to play agaisnt 3pver who are exploiting a mode of play whos sole purpose was to help new player learn the game (lets ignore the fact is in no way actually helps new players learn the game at all).and play against veteran players who have learned how to exploit 3pv which if you woiuld of actuall taken the time to look at posts the community has posted several videos showing exactly how to exploit 3pv.

AGAIN with extreme rare exception no on is sayiong remove 3pv.... The the mwo community is actually jsut wants pgi to live up to their wod and actiovate hardcore mode.... that is it jsut take a few seconds and flip the switch that turns on hardcore mode. Then everyone will be happy. Pgi can say they they did something to help new players (tho it is a huge failure) Exploites can gank noobs in 3pv until they either quit the game or learn to play the game probperly in 1pv and the rest of us will have our 1pv qeues. Thats it. Its that simeple.....

Next time before posting actually read the posts your being critical of.

Damn it the quote button messed up again this was supposed to quote the guy the complaining about the constructive feedback the mwo community has been giving about 3pv.

also i agree this forum needs a dislike feature.

Edited by Ravensshadow, 27 August 2013 - 01:07 PM.

[Umbra8]

Ravensshadow, on 27 August 2013 - 01:04 PM, said:

You obviously have not actually been reading the posts.

Next time before posting actually read the posts your being critical of.

You should read the post he's being critical of.

Ah, you caught it and corrected yourself. Good man. Person. Whatever.

Edited by Umbra8, 27 August 2013 - 01:09 PM.

[Ravensshadow]

AndyHill, on 27 August 2013 - 12:15 PM, said:

We have tested the feature on the public test server and given feedback, which was not listened to, at all. Why should we believe it will be any different now that the feature is out in the actual game servers?

Thanks for the info i thought they didnt bother to play test this feature at all..... this makes what pgi has done even more reprehenseable

[F1ashman]

extraammo, on 27 August 2013 - 12:11 PM, said:

You all really need to stop acting like children. I've been following this thread for a week now and all I can say is that the behavior of the community is far more frustrating than what PGI is doing.

What ya'll should do is play MORE and then give objective feedback on the features implemented based on your experiences. Rather than yelling at the devs for experimenting with their game, you should be trying to have fun.

None of you own any of the game, you only own content in the game which has been or will be delivered. So stop acting like you have a right to force the devs to make their game anyway they don't want to.

We give feedback on a test server and now what? So we have every right to be angry...

[Anais Opal]

I put this in another thread but I'll stick it here too.

PGI have broken their own terms of service, repeatedly, from inception.

Historically PGI have lied on a number of occasions most notably,

Consumables
Coolant Flush.
3rd Person View.

The terms of service, and remember PGI are providing a service, covers everything they do, all documentation, press releases, forums, website, verbal and written communications such as Twitter and Facebook and that includes any written communications on this forum or any related media or in-game communications from any member of PGI and IGP staff or their agents (that includes NGNG) Anything that they have stated on this forum and website is legally binding. Any detraction from any statements constitutes a breach of the terms of service.

Now, under US and Canadian law ( this has been checked and verified ) When you made any purchases for the game be it, Founder, Phoenix and any MC at all they were sold under a specific set of conditions. Those conditions were

For Founders Packages and subsequent MC/Phoenix purchases - The game was to remain first person only. No consumables and no coolant flush.
For Phoenix Packages and further MC purchases - 3rd Person queue's were to be separate.

As PGI about faced on consumables, coolant flush and blatantly lied about 3rd person, you are quite within your rights to demand full refunds for ALL purchases you have made to date. A friend of mine has been refunded $500 worth of founder and MC purchases.

The only thing PGI will listen to is their wallet suddenly getting much much lighter. Answer the lies with your wallets folks.

For extrammo's benefit I'll simply that.

The 'delivered content' is different to the conditions under which that content was delivered.
For example, and this is how my friend explained it to PGI when they initially refused the refund,

I go into McDonalds and they say 'today we can sell you a cup that has unlimited coffee refills for life'. I think that's great and buy the cup. Next day I go in for my refill and they refuse because that was yesterday. No, the conditions of sale AT THAT TIME still stand, as does the conditions for any purchases made from PGI.

So, this statement by Bryan Ekman is legally binding
'Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person'

So Founders, you definitely have grounds for refunds for your packages and all subsequent purchases.

Edited by GlycerineOxide, 27 August 2013 - 01:52 PM.

[Ravensshadow]

Umbra8, on 27 August 2013 - 01:07 PM, said:

You should read the post he's being critical of.

Ah, you caught it and corrected yourself. Good man. Person. Whatever.

I have read every post.... for the most part the posts have been well thought out and a tremendous amount of work has been done by the mwo community to show exactly why 3pv is unnacptable.

How about instead of bitching about the complainers he doesn't complain why we have heard a single peep out of pgi in 5 days over our concerns.... want us to stop... a response might just do the trick.

[Franchi]

extraammo, on 27 August 2013 - 12:11 PM, said:

You all really need to stop acting like children. I've been following this thread for a week now and all I can say is that the behavior of the community is far more frustrating than what PGI is doing.

What ya'll should do is play MORE and then give objective feedback on the features implemented based on your experiences. Rather than yelling at the devs for experimenting with their game, you should be trying to have fun.

None of you own any of the game, you only own content in the game which has been or will be delivered. So stop acting like you have a right to force the devs to make their game anyway they don't want to.

We told them all the ways it could be exploited, when they first started talking about it. They ignored us and implemented it so that all of the exploitation we told them would be done is being done.

We told them how damaging it would be to weapons balance, and how it would destroy information warfare as a core pillar, how it would strip the game of depth and balance.

We told the other players that they were lying and that the ques would be merged. we were called many nasty things, our posts were ridiculed and then deleted

Now it is playing out exactly as WE predicted and we have to listen to YOU calling us children??

We are the prophets of MWO.

Now please, enlighten me, Who the hell are you?

Edited by Franchi, 27 August 2013 - 01:22 PM.

[F1ashman]

That's ... Neither the separation of queues, no changes to the 3PV ....
Here....
http://mwomercs.com/...eveloper-update

How joyful boy in pink glasses, he convinces us that we are stupid and do it all wrong ..... And all you little that you listen to us fed casuals, squeaking in awe of 3PV....

Bryan Ekman said:

Community
I also wanted to take time to clear up a few laundry items, mostly to do with communication and promises. I think I’ll start with a lesson from my wife: Never say never, or always. I have to agree. Even though best intentions and plans for future designs and direction of the game can take a different course as we develop them, we have learned to avoid using words of certainty whenever possible. We’ve seen these type of words frame our messaging in a way that some community members either see this as a promise, or guarantee. I want to always remind our community that we do our best to describe both our vision and roadmap, and that sometimes we are going to make decisions that you may not agree with. MechWarrior Online is constantly evolving and changing. It’s a living breathing project that will never stay still, rather react to players, analytics and external influences, like new trends in gaming.

The community is very large, and represents a broad segment of players. There are vocal minorities and silent majorities on all subjects and we always have to balance between these groups. We have found that analytics and player profiling has helped us identify the needs of most demographics and while it may seem that we either a) don’t listen or are making choices that go against the “players” opinion, this is simply not the case. People can become focused on narrow aspects of the game, and forget about the bigger picture. We all have favourite weapons, builds, Mechs that we want to be the best they can be, but oftentimes we can overly focus on what affects us, and forget about other players with other Mechs, builds, and so on.

You will have already noticed a new form of communication since spring, largely due in part to focusing our efforts on the Ask the Devs format, and the monthly Creative Director updates. I have also changed how we discuss future major designs, keeping them closer to the chest until we are ready to make a presentation to the community. A good example is how we handle the UI 2.0 introduction and discussion. A lot of player feedback drove the design of UI 2.0, and we view it as a great success in communication and community involvement in the design process. You can expect the same when we reveal our Community Warfare design at the launch event! This presentation will reveal some of the features our core audience has been after for some time now, and we’re very excited to show you what’s been in the works.

I also see a lot of “IGP vs PGI” or “IGP’s to blame”. This is unfair and simply not true. We are partners, and we work very closely to decide the direction of the game. Ultimately PGI has to approve everything as the license holder, so laying blame at IGP’s doorstep is misguided. IGP has an absolutely amazing team of dedicated, passionate individuals, and they are a large part of making sure MWO is available for everyone to enjoy!

We are clearly not trying to help those people. How glad I am that I get a refund for the Phoenix .... And what a pity that winning streak with a phoenix rising, other people are not thinking give them the money, leaving no hope, PGI will think they have won, and right about everything.

Edited by F1ashman, 27 August 2013 - 02:05 PM.

[Anais Opal]

Bryan definitely has rose coloured glasses on if he believes this statement.

'Both have been a great success and delivered on our goals of adding more action, tactics, and deeper gameplay (12v12), while continuing to make the game appeal to a broader audience of gamers (3PV). After releasing 3PV we saw an immediate improvement in our target demographic, with a good bump in new player retention!'

So with that, the Creative Update for september, we are told to s.t.f.u and get on with it.

Would love to live in his perfect world....

Edited by GlycerineOxide, 27 August 2013 - 02:07 PM.

[Roboticus Prime]

So much flame over an insignificant game feature. Most of the arguments I see about 3pv as "game breaking" do not hold up when looked at closely.. or even "beta tested." And now that those arguments are faltering people are screaming "PGI LIED!!!1!" Which is absurd since they came out and told us they changed their minds WITH explanations of why.

All this rage just makes me lul, so I'm going back to blasting giant stompy robots with LB10's...WOO SHOTGUNS!

[F1ashman]

GlycerineOxide, on 27 August 2013 - 02:05 PM, said:

Bryan definitely has rose coloured glasses on if he believes this statement.

It reminds me of those slick politicians who before the election promise anything, and then do not fulfill the promise of nothing, just stuff their pockets with money while in power. We have many such in Russia.

[F1ashman]

Roboticus03, on 27 August 2013 - 02:09 PM, said:

So much flame over an insignificant game feature.

So much flame over disregard for the gaming community, lost hopes and spent money on this scam. 3PV is just the last drop ....

[WhistlR]

Roboticus03, on 27 August 2013 - 02:09 PM, said:

So much flame over an insignificant game feature. Most of the arguments I see about 3pv as "game breaking" do not hold up when looked at closely.. or even "beta tested." And now that those arguments are faltering people are screaming "PGI LIED!!!1!" Which is absurd since they came out and told us they changed their minds WITH explanations of why.

All this rage just makes me lul, so I'm going back to blasting giant stompy robots with LB10's...WOO SHOTGUNS!

That's if you can close enough to them hiding behind hills stomping you with LRM's using their 3pv

[FlipOver]

KovarD, on 27 August 2013 - 02:01 PM, said:

This update sounds like a response for this topic:

http://mwomercs.com/...eveloper-update

According to Russ:

• 3PV is a huge sucess.
  
• Is balanced and "working as intended".
  
• "It was our position at time".
  
• We are a vocal minority.
  
• Phoenix Project is a huge sucess.
  
• Dont talked about the return of 1PV queue.

Just leaving my thoughts here.
Will never be even thinking of spending money on this game until I can play using 1PV only mode.

Cheers,
flipover

Edit - typo

Edited by flipover, 27 August 2013 - 02:55 PM.

[Chronojam]

extraammo, on 27 August 2013 - 12:11 PM, said:

You all really need to stop acting like children. I've been following this thread for a week now and all I can say is that the behavior of the community is far more frustrating than what PGI is doing.

What ya'll should do is play MORE and then give objective feedback on the features implemented based on your experiences. Rather than yelling at the devs for experimenting with their game, you should be trying to have fun.

None of you own any of the game, you only own content in the game which has been or will be delivered. So stop acting like you have a right to force the devs to make their game anyway they don't want to.

You can tell hamburger's rotten without eating the full five pounds of it, yeah? The problems start when the chef tells you the green is intentional and acts offended that you'd even point it out. It won't start tasting better just because you've eaten more.

It's responsible to warn others not to queue up for burgers.

[Roboticus Prime]

F1ashman, on 27 August 2013 - 02:13 PM, said:

So much flame over disregard for the gaming community, lost hopes and spent money on this scam. 3PV is just the last drop ....

Hate to break it to ya, but the forums are but a small fraction of the "gaming community."

WhistlR, on 27 August 2013 - 02:51 PM, said:

That's if you can close enough to them hiding behind hills stomping you with LRM's using their 3pv

Lol, that's why I also have AMS and an ERPPC. The build is geared more for following an assault around and taking out internals.

Edit: They will lob LRM's regardless of 3PV because someone else on their team would have LOS and be locked on to me.

Edited by Roboticus03, 27 August 2013 - 04:05 PM.

[Mantazz]

I agree that hardcore mode should be implemented soon and that it should only include 1PV players.

Recommendation: For the standard mode Change the default in the options menu to 1PV. Remove the F4 functionality and the ability (if it is there) to change from 1PV to 3PV in the options menu while in a match. This requires you to choose your view mode prior to the match and use the same view mode throughout the match.

Clarification: Any statements I have made in this thread prior to this post, have been in response to the people saying that the sky is falling and they are going to quit the game and ask for a full refund of all purchases before the devs have even rolled out Hardcore mode. That to me is just trying to throw your weight around to get the newest feature removed or borked which has happened over and over again with this game. I find that very frustrating...

-Leaves thread...