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[Almond Brown]

Daumantas Galland, on 21 August 2013 - 03:44 AM, said:

Like that Lie has not been told around here before. LOL

[Nulnoil]

Almond Brown, on 21 August 2013 - 08:17 AM, said:

Like that Lie has not been told around here before. LOL

How do you think i make this gif?

[Andross Deverow]

Tabrias07, on 21 August 2013 - 07:27 AM, said:

I was going to post mine, but yours is animated, so I'll just quote that.

Buh Bye.....

Regards.

[Almond Brown]

Daumantas Galland, on 21 August 2013 - 08:19 AM, said:

How do you think i make this gif?

And yet your still here on the Forums QQ'ing? Interesting. The outdoors is nice this time of year, you should try it.

[Nulnoil]

Almond Brown, on 21 August 2013 - 08:22 AM, said:

And yet your still here on the Forums QQ'ing? Interesting. The outdoors is nice this time of year, you should try it.

Not crying just came to read patch notes and already left.

[Jestun]

How is this person in charge of anything?

Is he using a different version of 3rd person than the one in the game? Are the developers fooling him into thinking it gives no advantage?

[Darwins Dog]

Team Leader, on 21 August 2013 - 07:39 AM, said:

Wow. You are THE definition of {Noble MechWarrior}. If the only prequisite for you to have fun is that's its a "Mechwarrior" title, then your feedback is just as useless as mine.And fyi, I DID quit because the game isn't fun anymore. They can still fix it and that's why I'm here. To provide critical feedback. Being a PGI yes man does nothing but tell them that someone agrees with their asinine game direction decisions.I wouldn't care about 3pv at all... IF I wasn't FORCED the play with it like they said specifically WOULD NOT happen.

Being a "yes man" as you call it is exactly as useful as being a "no man" like you. I tell PGI that I like the game because I like it. In my opinion they are doing a good job, thus I will express that. I find it amusing that so many people feel the need to band together in mutual dislike of a game that they don't play, calling the supporters "yes men" and "white knights" as if it will convince us to change our opinions. Your "critical feedback" is appreciated and weighed against all of the other feedback they receive (email, PMs, irl players at conventions, white knights, and people who just shut up and play) and decisions are made. Saying it more often doesn't make you right.

[Jestun]

Darwins Dog, on 21 August 2013 - 08:48 AM, said:

Being a "yes man" as you call it is exactly as useful as being a "no man" like you. I tell PGI that I like the game because I like it. In my opinion they are doing a good job, thus I will express that. I find it amusing that so many people feel the need to band together in mutual dislike of a game that they don't play, calling the supporters "yes men" and "white knights" as if it will convince us to change our opinions. Your "critical feedback" is appreciated and weighed against all of the other feedback they receive (email, PMs, irl players at conventions, white knights, and people who just shut up and play) and decisions are made. Saying it more often doesn't make you right.

What makes you right?

[General Taskeen]

MW:LL doesn't have 3PV

Come join the fun!

[JokerVictor]

Darwins Dog, on 21 August 2013 - 08:48 AM, said:

Being a "yes man" as you call it is exactly as useful as being a "no man" like you. I tell PGI that I like the game because I like it. In my opinion they are doing a good job, thus I will express that. I find it amusing that so many people feel the need to band together in mutual dislike of a game that they don't play, calling the supporters "yes men" and "white knights" as if it will convince us to change our opinions. Your "critical feedback" is appreciated and weighed against all of the other feedback they receive (email, PMs, irl players at conventions, white knights, and people who just shut up and play) and decisions are made. Saying it more often doesn't make you right.

I'm one of those 'no men' as you call it. I still play and enjoy the game to an extent (yes, most of us still play). However, instead of being my main game, this has simply become a diversion. The game is too broken (or breakable, if you like) to take seriously, and has been for a very very long time. But this is neither here nor there, because the main point is...

BECAUSE OF PGI'S INCREDIBLY INSULTING AND STUPID DECISION MAKING I HAVE LONG SINCE STOPPED PAYING TO SUPPORT THIS GAME.

And that's the important part. I'm not alone.

Edited by JokerVictor, 21 August 2013 - 08:57 AM.

[Bilbo]

General Taskeen, on 21 August 2013 - 08:51 AM, said:

MW:LL doesn't have 3PV

Come join the fun!

No, thanks.

[General Taskeen]

Bilbo, on 21 August 2013 - 08:54 AM, said:

No, thanks.

Well that's too bad, many players are migrating to it like us hardcore players.

Its a grand day when MW:LL is now more sim like than MWO. Never thought that day would arive.

[Jestun]

Hawken is becoming more and more the "sim" option.

And that's an odd thing to say.

[Bernard Matthaios]

It doesn't matter if the glass is half full or empty, just be thankful that there is something in it.

At least we have a modern day MechWarrior title to play with.

Edited by Bernard Matthaios, 21 August 2013 - 09:31 AM.

[Bilbo]

General Taskeen, on 21 August 2013 - 08:56 AM, said:

Well that's too bad, many players are migrating to it like us hardcore players.

Its a grand day when MW:LL is now more sim like than MWO. Never thought that day would arive.

Hopefully you enjoy that game. Let me know when they have a mech lab.

[Gallowglas]

PropagandaWar, on 21 August 2013 - 07:30 AM, said:

You know what would have solved a lot of problems. An announcement from PGI saying something akin to this:

Mechwarriors,

We are launching in a few short weeks and have just implemented 3rd Person View. We know that many of you feel it should be left out of the equation in its entirety, however we would like it tested more and to get players real reaction with it live. We will after said time bring the hardcore queue in.

This could have done two things for them A) redirect anger and possibly get more people to care less about who uses 3pv and prove that it's irrelevent for cw.

Instead they threw it in our face. Which they do time and time again. They need to hire a PR Rep one who is on top of things and quit trying to do it in a halfbaked matter.

This is, in a nutshell, what I believe to be the major flaw in their approach as well. While there are some in the community who will always overreact to anything involving 3PV ("If 3PV is even MENTIONED in MWO, I'm going to SUE for personal damages and tell everyone who listened how PGI lies! Those filthy, filthy liars! YAAAAAAH! /table flip"), I think it becomes indefensible when you say one thing to try to mollify those people and then shoot yourself completely in the foot by doing exactly what you said you wouldn't do. This is particularly true when you give no warning and have no discussion with your community. It underscores that the biggest element missing from the game is proper communication.

I have no real issue with 3PV. I think many of the arguments against it are vastly overstated. I sincerely doubt that after all is said and done that a team playing with 3PV will be statistically better than a team playing without it. I don't even think it's that personally compelling to use much, if at all. However, PR and communication is just as critical as actual gameplay. In that capacity, I think they really screwed up on this one.

Edited by Gallowglas, 21 August 2013 - 09:03 AM.

[MizarPanzer]

We were trolled, guys, we were trolled.

[PEEFsmash]

I posted this in the feedback thread, but here it is again:
I'm just wondering how you could "quickly realize that 3PV provided no advantage" when this wasn't tested in any controlled way among top players or teams. If your realization was, "Eh we played some games amongst ourselves and idk things went about the same I think" then shame on you.

I'm not opposed to 3PV, I'm actually interested in seeing if it can deepen competitive play. In fact, my bet is that in the end it might not be a terrible feature... BUT, to conclude that it doesn't provide an advantage based purely on low-mid level internal testing, without consulting the top players/units in the game...that is just embarrassing, and not the move that a game designer should be making if the designer wants to actually balance the game.

[Ronan]

WolvesX, on 21 August 2013 - 02:48 AM, said:

"After designing, developing, and testing the MWO’s 3PV, we quickly realised that 3PV offered no significant advantage over 1PV. In fact we found each mode had pros and cons that played well with each other. This revelation changed our initial 3PV plans and we postponed Hardcore mode (separate queues for 1PV and 3PV), in favor of rethinking the idea and offering up a different solution that also addressed a few more community wish list items."

bryan eckman

This is the part that gets me -- it provides no significant advantage (in their words), it provides no useful help to newbies, it generates much strife, yet was not kept out the same way hardcore mode was kept out while they came up with their different solution. They could have said (as previously suggested) "hey, 3PV will be official eventually, in the mean time can you guys find bugs in our implementation?" and the beta testers could have reported raytracing bugs and whatever else. THEN you put in all those neat wishlist "better" ideas along with official 3PV. Meh. 3PV sucks. I'm not gonna use it. I do like being able to see the blinking drone farther away than I can see the actual mechs, but I'd rather not play with other people using it. (They get killed fast... way too fast... when other players target them _because_ of the drone!)

[Aerokii]

Team Leader, on 21 August 2013 - 07:17 AM, said:

You're quite lucky. I wish I could be mislead and outright lied to by the people I was sending my hard earned money to and be totally cool with it. Your life must be so stress free. You and MoonUnitBeta must be so loaded with cash and have your lives totally in order. Bravo.

Or, as an alternative to their life being so stress free, perhaps they just have bigger issues to worry about than the development of an online game? Yes, you paid for it, I get it- I paid for it too, as a mostly broke college student who wanted to support a revival of the MW franchise. This doesn't, however, lead me to believe that since I paid the game should be developed exactly as I want without the devs ever changing their minds. I purchased the founders package, and was given exactly what I paid for- premium time, in game currency, a badge and my beloved big stompy Atlas. Beyond that, this payment's had nothing set in stone beyond "you'll be able to use the stuff we gave you."

This is the nature of development. I'm not saying PGI is perfect- far from it- but that they're human. Decisions will be made, changed, remade, scrapped, and revived from the grave 10 years later for some of the stuff I've worked on. I don't agree with some of the changes made- heck there've been many times I've felt a little disillusioned with the game, but darned if I'm not going to keep playing as long as I enjoy the gameplay. If you don't like it- post your feedback in a constructive manner, and if nothing changes and you can't enjoy it- sorry to hear that. I'm not going to ask you to leave, but if you stay when you don't like playing the game, then... well, that's your choice.