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[KhanHeir]

http://penny-arcade....-in-open-revolt

[pastor of muppets]

tumbling down

[C E Dwyer]

Lots of very bad press throughtout the fansite community

Time for resignations and the removal of 3PV

[the pole]

MWO is being consumed by a firestorm. The economy has been destroyed. All general discussion forums destroyed. Significant gold debris ring in low orbit.

[DirePhoenix]

I've added my comment to try to keep things balanced (and as civil as possible). The two comments prior to mine were both pro-3PV. (or at least when I started typing there were only two comments)

Also as we can see from coverage from outside (non MWO) sources, people not entrenched in MW don't really seem to care about simulators any more.

Edited by DirePhoenix, 23 August 2013 - 07:28 AM.

[Dustmuffins]

Ouch

[Tabrias07]

pastor of muppets, on 23 August 2013 - 07:09 AM, said:

tumbling down

[RG Notch]

Nothing like some solid good PR right before launch. Perhaps Russ can pen another "apology".

[iHover]

Yes something along the line of Sorry we meant to tell you we where lying to you sooner but several staff members where on vacation and we missed our window of opportunity to let you know that we are F*&^%ing you over

Edited by iHover, 23 August 2013 - 09:09 AM.

[borisof007]

The long story (that the PA Report linked to on Loaded Dice) was an interesting read. It's MUCH less about 3pv and much more about communication from PGI/IGP to the community and how they're reacting to the fans of their game. I'm not sure if they need more community managers (Garth does a good job IMO) but Garth may be overwhelmed, or maybe his hands are too tied up in red tape about what he can and can't communicate.

The post from Russ stated that a possible failure may have been due to people on vacations. Honestly this upset me a little. It should NOT matter who is on a vacation or not, this game is still in startup mode. If I'm working in a startup environment and I'm on vacation, and my clients need answers to questions, you'd bet your butt that I'd be making phone calls and sending emails and making posts, whatever I needed to do.

BUT, what's done is done. Russ acknowledged they made a mistake in comms. Let's try and relax and breathe and let some time pass by before making a more thorough judgement call on whether community warfare is progressing as they said it would or whether 3pv is detrimental to the competitive scene or not.

[General Taskeen]

DirePhoenix, on 23 August 2013 - 07:26 AM, said:

people not entrenched in MW don't really seem to care about simulators any more.

Oh? Star Citizen is promising all kinds of simulation things, a flight simulator in space, and look how much money is being thrown at it.

Other examples;

X3: Rebirth
EVE Valkyre
IL-2 Battle of Stalingrad
ARMA III
DCS Series
ETC.

Simulation games are alive and well and people throw money at them.

[iHover]

Star Citizen looks very promising. No publisher to force them into dumb decisions. I also like the level of communication Im see from them. They have been more open about what they are doing and where they are going than PGI has and they haven't even put anything out yet.

[Toong]

It's amusing how everyone is ignoring the second half of this article that fully acknowledges that there's no real way to draw a link between the shouting on the forums and the opinions of the community as a whole, or the long-term impact 3rd person will have on the game.

There's a difference between being concerned about the game and searching for a reason to hate it.

[Sug]

The last 2 paragraphs read like they were tacked on by an editor trying to cover his ***

[Kushko]

Wow, just wow...and this from the community that raised ~$120k for cancer research. As much as i was proud of our community then, i am ashamed of us now.

[ryoma]

Yes, this is the same community.

We just don't want to be taken for suckers and there is nothing shameful about it.

[Kushko]

ryoma, on 25 August 2013 - 02:21 AM, said:

Yes, this is the same community.

We just don't want to be taken for suckers and there is nothing shameful about it.

And you think acting like children and stomping your feet or holding your breath will change PGIs shortcomings? Or their perception of you as "suckers"? I'm not saying i dont agree with some or even most of the grevances against PGI and their very poorly implemented and thought out ideas, but the way some of the members are acting on these forums is just shameful.

Two wrongs do not make a right.

[LegoPirate]

this is nothing short of a PR nightmare. time to fire their PR guy and hire someone who isnt an elbow licker. or maybe russ needs to rethink his mentality about everything. because another stunt like this and mwo goes straight into the dumpster.

p.s. if youre looking for a new lead designer (which you should be), im looking for a job. i have no qualifications other then a college degree, but i have played semi-professionally in a few other games, so i feel like i could do an excellent job getting this game back to something less convoluted and more interesting and true to mechwarrior. shoot me a PM if you guys are interested.

i mean lets be honest, i couldnt do worse of a job, and ill do it cheaper then the guy youre paying now.

Edited by LegoPirate, 25 August 2013 - 04:42 AM.

[White Bear 84]

the pole, on 23 August 2013 - 07:20 AM, said:

MWO is being consumed by a firestorm. The economy has been destroyed. All general discussion forums destroyed. Significant gold debris ring in low orbit.

I think now looking back, we did not fight the enemy, we fought ourselves and the enemy was in us....

[AC]

iHover, on 23 August 2013 - 09:41 AM, said:

Star Citizen looks very promising. No publisher to force them into dumb decisions. I also like the level of communication Im see from them. They have been more open about what they are doing and where they are going than PGI has and they haven't even put anything out yet.

I took the money I was going to spend on Phoenix and gave it to them. The communication is there, and the Dev seems very competent. The videos explaining his thought process and testing point to a Dev that clearly understands project management and where to get the biggest bang for his buck/time. This is something PGI lacks sorely.... they devote so much wasted time and effort on things that either P.O. the community or have very little impact on improving the game.