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[Corvus Antaka]

Sean von Steinike, on 28 August 2013 - 01:18 AM, said:

So, you will cheer when they put in gold ammo and no community warfare? And why shouldn't they when they obviously have people like you to back them up when they lie about things. Gold ammo and no community warfare would just be a continuation of their lies and changing design direction. Don't think it could happen? Yeah, I didn't think there would be coolant flush or being forced to play in a 3rdpv queue either.

FORCED to play in 3PV? LOL

I havent played 1 match in 3PV, and it hasnt hurt my scoring or KDR so far.

Anyhow, don't put words in my mouth. I would not cheer for gold ammo. no community warfare? he said we are going to get a demo for launch in the newest update. I'm fairly convinced that Bryan would probably get fired for saying that if it wasnt going to happen 3 weeks from now.

To bad you are so bitter over things with so little impact that continue to remain subject to change though.

Edited by Colonel Pada Vinson, 28 August 2013 - 01:32 AM.

[RG Notch]

I personally think a more "please sir can I have some more " attitude will work great to make this game succeed. I mean why hold these people to any standards, they are making a mech game right? No matter how flawed or screwed up.. mechs people. Get with the program, start saying the right things or instead of a flawed mech game that is heading towards appealing to the LCD and has no depth or provides anything other than instant action matches in two whole game modes, we might have to wait a bit. How can you people say bad things about this game ..it has mechs in it? What more do you want? I mean a real metagame, more modes, balanced weapons, promises kept, proper communication, ... I mean holy {Scrap}, it has MECHS!!!! Stop asking for professional handling when it has MECHS!!!! Any mech game is better than no mech game ...right?

[VXJaeger]

Ok, crybabies got their attention. Move on, nothing to see here.

[MustrumRidcully]

RedThirteen, on 27 August 2013 - 07:36 PM, said:

Perhaps there are insufficient player numbers to warrant segregating the queue?

But they say they have seen an immediate improvement in their target demographic and they are gaining new players at a steady rate! Even player retention has improved, just after one week of 3PV!

Surely splitting the queues would cause no issue, because all the new players and the silent majority that loves 3PV would fill the 3PV queue, and the vocal minority would keep playing its 1PV and would finally have to admit that they are just a minority. But everyone could be happy (except those that never are).

[General Taskeen]

Colonel Pada Vinson, on 28 August 2013 - 01:30 AM, said:

FORCED to play in 3PV? LOL

I havent played 1 match in 3PV, and it hasnt hurt my scoring or KDR so far.

You understand where people are coming from correct?

Let me ask this - do you play real simulators like say, IL-2, Cliffs of Dover, or DCS? Those games have a treasure trove of difficulty selections and the servers can turn them on/off so a player can browse through a select the difficulty server they want to play on. It is the options that matter.

I'm sure you are in agreeance that is a good idea for a sim game, because no way does any hardcore sim pilot want to play in the same server as someone using an easier difficulty mode. Similar options also existed for previous Mech titles.

And no, you are not forced to play with 3PV, you are forced to play alongside a difficulty option that isn't separated from the matchmaker. So I say Blinking Light Bus Drivers™ can get their own queue.

Edited by General Taskeen, 28 August 2013 - 05:23 AM.

[Castigatus]

Sean von Steinike, on 28 August 2013 - 01:18 AM, said:

So, you will cheer when they put in gold ammo and no community warfare? And why shouldn't they when they obviously have people like you to back them up when they lie about things. Gold ammo and no community warfare would just be a continuation of their lies and changing design direction. Don't think it could happen? Yeah, I didn't think there would be coolant flush or being forced to play in a 3rdpv queue either.

No I wouldnt and I would be right alongside you saying 'PGI that is a bad idea, dont do it please' because unlike this whole 3PV sperge that stuff actually has a detrimental effect on the game. Childish temper tantrums and badmouthing a perfectly good game because you disagree with one design decision just makes you look stupid and obscures any meaning your points may have, however valid they may be. Also LOL at you thinking you're being forced to do anything.

[Lokust Davion]

Colonel Pada Vinson, on 28 August 2013 - 12:05 AM, said:

My name is not Panda. It's Pada.

Not a big deal, is it? I hear "Panda Vision" all the time. You think it's annoying? yes, sometimes, it does get annoying.

i lol'd. i remember you were referred to as 'panda' by many waaaay back in closed beta.

"Panda Vision" is actually a cool name.


back on topic: i believe this bad press is all pgi's fault. if only they listened to their vocal audience this wouldn't have happened. ever.

Edited by Lokust Davion, 28 August 2013 - 05:45 AM.

[Kensaisama]

Feels like ive payed to be buggered with polygrip and broken glass. The kiss and reacharound feature has not been implemented yet.

[Jungle Rhino]

MustrumRidcully, on 28 August 2013 - 05:16 AM, said:

But they say they have seen an immediate improvement in their target demographic and they are gaining new players at a steady rate! Even player retention has improved, just after one week of 3PV!

Surely splitting the queues would cause no issue, because all the new players and the silent majority that loves 3PV would fill the 3PV queue, and the vocal minority would keep playing its 1PV and would finally have to admit that they are just a minority. But everyone could be happy (except those that never are).

You are forgotting that PGI just made that **** up. Writing something on the internet doesn't make it true after all...

Everyone get on the money-train for the Saber reinforcement pack TOOT TOOT!!

[MustrumRidcully]

Jungle Rhino, on 29 August 2013 - 01:17 AM, said:

You are forgotting that PGI just made that **** up. Writing something on the internet doesn't make it true after all...

PGI doesn't lie. That's a needless insult.

At best, they might keep certain things close to their chest, might have an occassional communication failure, and sometimes they change their position.

[Kushko]

Meta Back, on 28 August 2013 - 03:55 AM, said:

It's far more childish to give money to someone and do nothing when they spit on you for it.

A child will get $4 dollars change for a $1 candy bar after paying $20 and do nothing about it.

An adult will get angry until they get their money back.

You're a very immature person if you can't understand this. You're the type of person that gets screwed over at every opportunity. You're the type of person a guy like PGI LOOOOVES, because they know they can take your money with one hand and give you **** with the other and you'll just take it "like an adult"

If I were a dealer, I'd hope for customers like you.

First of all i would like to apologize for only quoting half of your post, but it would appear you wrote the same thing twice.

That being said, the point i was trying to make was not that you should not voice your disagreements, but that you should voice them like adults not like spoiled children.

To use your poorly thought out analogy of a kid in a store buying a candy bar. The difference between an adult and a spoiled childs response would be the adult saying "excuse me but i think you might have miscalculated" and then try to resolve it in a calm manner even if it lead to extremes like informing a manager. A spoiled child on the other hand would start tearing up the place, knocking groceries off the shelves and then lay on the floor kicking, crying and screaming like a maniac.

And as for a guy like PGI (you know PGI is a company not a "guy" right?) loving me, i sure hope they do, since they will be more likely to listen to my (hopefully) constructive criticism and feedback (although ill be the first to agree that i too sometimes get slightly carried away).

[SmurfOff]

I think that the outrage we see is less "outrage" and more "fatigue". We all bought into the game thinking it would be radically different by this point because that was the information given to us at the time. And in the early days, it felt like this may have actually happened.

Somewhere along the way, we all got lost. The community got lost thinking that they were heading for the promised land, and the dev team got lost making things profitable. In the process, many fundamental concepts crept up, and where quickly addressed with out planning and foresight. Removing Re-Arm/Repair. LRM damage. SRMs. Lights. HSR. Heat detection.

What it feels like is from a community perspective, massive gameplay affecting issues have been unaddressed for months. The only "new" ideas seem to be in the form of paid for content, and completely ignore the fundamentals. And then we get a complete 180 on a feature that was promised to never be in the game by the developer, and the wave of broken hit the core "base" of players. Why would PGI focus on adding 3PV when the fundamentals of move/shoot/hit are still no where near the quality of MANY other games at this stage. And then came another economy reset, except it was just an overnight instant deflation of the economy, reducing the value of time spent playing the game.

While this version of mechwarrior is the most modern

[Nasty McBadman]

Colonel Pada Vinson, on 28 August 2013 - 12:05 AM, said:

My name is not Panda. It's Pada.

Not a big deal, is it? I hear "Panda Vision" all the time.

I TOTALLY thought it was Panda Vision up until this post. I read so many names and details in a day that it can become easy to see a percieved pattern that is recognizable and attribute it as fact without looking at the detail. Panda and Vision are two words that instantly make sense so they were stuck as lables somewhere in my brain meat without me spending the energy to look more closely. If you were on my team or in my lance I would still call you Panda, that is how call signs usually work, you do not assign them yourself. :-)

[FactorlanP]

Nasty McBadman, on 29 August 2013 - 08:58 AM, said:

I TOTALLY thought it was Panda Vision up until this post.

I do believe that there is a group of people who calls him Panda Vision simply because they know that it irritates him.

[DirePhoenix]

FactorlanP, on 29 August 2013 - 10:05 AM, said:

I do believe that there is a group of people who calls him Panda Vision simply because they know that it irritates him.

It's the second time I've seen him bring it up, but I still think Panda Vision is a pretty sweet name. But then again, this is coming from a guy that goes by 'Dire Phoenix'

[Jungle Rhino]

MustrumRidcully, on 29 August 2013 - 03:53 AM, said:

PGI doesn't lie. That's a needless insult.

At best, they might keep certain things close to their chest, might have an occassional communication failure, and sometimes they change their position.

Hang on a minute...

So Coolant flush not being in the game?
3PV having seperate queues?

Those were 'communication failures'??

I want MWO to be a great game as much as the next guy - but PGI has already backflipped on core issues and I simply don't trust them any more. Anything that they say means as much to me as Bryan assuring us that there will be seperate queues for 3PV - i.e. a complete, irreconcilable untruth. No other developer operates like this! Go look at the Rome 2 forums if you want to see an amazing example of how to communicate swiftly, and honestly with a pack of frothing fans who complain about EVERYTHING (including the wrong coloured sandals on there legionairres).

PGI have flushed their integrity down the toilet. You can't tell me that they haven't lied because they clearly have!

Personally I haven't spent a $ on this game for months (ever since coolant flush came in) and I am not going to spend another $ until after I see what the heck CW is going to look like, and how completely the clans screw with the entire game economy. Even if PGI told me exactly what they are planning I still wouldn't spend money, because what they say could just be another 'communication failure'.

So from this point on if I spend money on this game again (which I really actually want to do) it won't be until the features I am interested in are IN the game.

But hey, I'm not an 11yr old - their 'target demographic' so they don't care. I also have more than 100 forum posts which makes my opinion even more irrelevant.

[AC]

That is what seems so strange to me. Rather than the target demographic being the hard core fans (that are generally older) with real jobs and probably some deep pockets, (judging by the 5 million made in the founders campaign)..... They are going after kids that have no jobs and money to spend? (without begging mom and dad of course)

This seems like a horrible marketing strategy. If I had been running the show, I would have made sure the core fans were as happy as could be so they would continue to fork over cash and fund the whole project. Then at some point in the future there could be a side game called "MechWarrior Light" where 3PV, aim assist, and all kinds of console style crazy abounds. [/color]

Edited by AC, 30 August 2013 - 08:03 AM.

[Crazyeyes244]

MustrumRidcully, on 29 August 2013 - 03:53 AM, said:

PGI doesn't lie.

I lol'ed.

[Enigmos]

Cool story, bro, but I ain't buyin'. Hyperbolic, angst-ridden vitriol from a smallish subset of the playerbase competing with one another for some undefined trophy for vituperative rhetoric isn't even very interesting. The developer isn't finished, and whether you give them a dollar for space in your hanger doesn't change that. Development stage is still beta, like it or not. Your financial decisions are irrelevant to the development stage of someone else' game development.

[RG Notch]

OriginalTibs, on 30 August 2013 - 08:22 AM, said:

Cool story, bro, but I ain't buyin'. Hyperbolic, angst-ridden vitriol from a smallish subset of the playerbase competing with one another for some undefined trophy for vituperative rhetoric isn't even very interesting. The developer isn't finished, and whether you give them a dollar for space in your hanger doesn't change that. Development stage is still beta, like it or not. Your financial decisions are irrelevant to the development stage of someone else' game development.

18 ******* days, make sure you ******* wear out Beta in these last weeks!