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[Ensaine]

15 days to LaunchPocalypse .....

[repete]

Colonel Pada Vinson, on 01 September 2013 - 10:20 PM, said:

You are intentionally fibbing these results and choosing low yield/chosen terms to somehow satisfy your tiny ego that this game is "hurting", and being quite deliberate about this deception.

No, I'm not. Sorry the facts don't suit your argument. When searching for "Mechwarrior Online", the game currently available, and not "Mechwarrior 2 ghost bear's legacy", I would be kinda specific. I'll flip your argument and say it is you being disingenuous in choosing a search which yields more results so as to try and prop up your argument.

By your logic:

"What's the game called?"
"Mechwarrior Online"
"Okay. I'll search for 'Mechwarrior"

...equals:

"What's the game called?"
"'World of Tanks'/'Star Citizen'"
"Okay. I'll search for 'tanks'/'star'"

[SVK Puskin]

Ensaine, on 02 September 2013 - 05:17 AM, said:

15 days to LaunchPocalypse .....

I have checked that link and in my opinion in close range you can compensate the advantage of 3PV using seismic sensor.

[Boris Javorina]

ENS Puskin, on 02 September 2013 - 06:34 AM, said:

I have checked that link and in my opinion in close range you can compensate the advantage of 3PV using seismic sensor.

...hmmm... true, somehow...

[CyBerkut]

Victor Morson, on 02 September 2013 - 02:40 AM, said:

The sad thing is all of this, all of it, would go away if they would announce:

- We dumped 3PV outside of Trial mechs
- Ghost Heat is abolished entirely
- PPCs changed accordingly
- Fix the movement system and stop thinking tonnage =/= size
- Maybe buff a couple things in the XML files

Seriously, this would end 99% of the rage right there even without CW or UI2.0 at launch. The only reason NOT to do these thing is if you desire to go speeding off a cliff.

Good thoughts there, but at this point... 'announcing' anything is insufficient. We've already seen them demonstrate repeatedly that their word can not be counted upon. PGI needs to 'do it'. Make the announcement in the patch notes, and maybe let somebody from PGI (Garth, maybe?) who hasn't trashed his credibility as badly, make an explanatory announcement at the time it comes out. A properly phrased, (perhaps PR expert crafted) explanation, etc. accompanying something concrete could have a major impact in a positive direction... something that could be pretty useful right before a 'launch'.

[warp103]

Colonel Pada Vinson, on 01 September 2013 - 10:36 PM, said:

Alright. lets play "whos lying more" here.

1. my results show mwomercs as the worst ranking. Why? because no one searches for Mechwarrior using the term "mwomercs"

2. Searches using "mechwarrior" come in second behind world of tanks.

3. world of tanks includes 223,000,000 searches that include a vast majority of items that have 0 to do with gaming.

3. mechwarrior returns a mere 3,000,000 results including the entire franchise.

4. of the mechwarrior vs world of tanks searches, the mechwarrior 3 million links contain a higher % related to video games than the term "world of tanks" does. What can we infer from this? "mechwarrior" related terms when searched lead to more video game hunts than "world of tanks" which is probably searched by every grandpa and includes tons of "world" searches.

almost all mechwarrior searches lead here.

world of tanks searches lead to stuff like *********************************

Why didn't America build better tanks in World War 2 - WikiAnswers



wiki.answers.com › ... › War and Military History › World War 2‎
We did build a fine tank that was a match for the Tiger or Panther one on one. It was called the M26 Pershing. It came out in the fall of 1944. About 200 were ...


the slashdot article is funny. We arent talking journalism, we are talking about a "new submitter", probably an angry fan.

It's fairly obvious at this point given the tone of the few articles, and the mainly fringe websites they are cropping up on that don't demand journalistic integrity of any kind, that we are not talking about unbiased reporting here.

your continued attempts to "troll forward" your agenda with very lacking in understanding google analytics results that absolutely are manipulated by you are only further showing very clearly that rational thought & logic have little to do with the agenda some of you are pushing.

Be careful where you tread folks.

wait wait lol say what. Google search "world of tanks" shows all thing WOT for the first 100 pages or more I got tired of clicking next lol. Same search mechwarrior and you get other mechwarrior stuff in the first 10 results.

And again you still calling name what are you 10?. I always thought of you are a adult. Sorry for assuming better of you.

Edited by warp103, 02 September 2013 - 09:46 AM.

[Corvus Antaka]

warp103, on 02 September 2013 - 09:38 AM, said:

wait wait lol say what. Google search "world of tanks" shows all thing WOT for the first 100 pages or more I got tired of clicking next lol. Same search mechwarrior and you get other mechwarrior stuff in the first 10 results.

And again you still calling name what are you 10?. I always thought of you are a adult. Sorry for assuming better of you.

You obviously have no idea how SEO works, how organic searches work, how people search, or anything to do with google analytics.

Keep tolling though buddy. funny stuff watching you make yourself look more foolish with every post.

[Corvus Antaka]

repete, on 02 September 2013 - 05:18 AM, said:

No, I'm not. Sorry the facts don't suit your argument. When searching for "Mechwarrior Online", the game currently available, and not "Mechwarrior 2 ghost bear's legacy", I would be kinda specific. I'll flip your argument and say it is you being disingenuous in choosing a search which yields more results so as to try and prop up your argument.

By your logic:

"What's the game called?"
"Mechwarrior Online"
"Okay. I'll search for 'Mechwarrior"

...equals:

"What's the game called?"
"'World of Tanks'/'Star Citizen'"
"Okay. I'll search for 'tanks'/'star'"

I had a feeling you'd all keep trying to troll with this idiocy.

No one searches for "mwomercs" when searching for "mechwarrior online" and the term "mechwarrior online" INCLUDES "mechwarrior"

I understand you are trying to create the idea this game is "Dead", for whatever reason.

So, let's dig a little deeper into "real" results by using alexa.



From this alexa chart we can clearly see that World of tanks is very popular - no surprise given our google results. We can also see that the website mwomercs.com receives more traffic than star citizen does.

Let's again bear in mind here - mwomercs is not a term people search for when searching for mechwarrior - they search for "mechwarrior" or mechwarrior online". since mechwarrior online is an INCLUSIVE search term, the term "mechwarrior equally applies. In the case of "world of tanks" world of is NOT an inclusive search therm, which again, skews results.

In any event, the point remains that you guys are still trolling and trying to skew results to create some bizarre idea that this game or website is "Dead" and you are showing us results that are not sensical - either because you fail to understand how Search works, or you don't want to.

Edited by Colonel Pada Vinson, 02 September 2013 - 10:06 AM.

[Corvus Antaka]

Solis Obscuri, on 01 September 2013 - 11:09 PM, said:

Yeah, and if I compare WoT to "tanks"...

http://www.google.co...%20tanks&cmpt=q

you realize that "mechwarrior" is a gaming franchise and mechs dont exist in the real world, but that "tanks" do?

Edited by Colonel Pada Vinson, 02 September 2013 - 10:09 AM.

[Xendojo]

Dear Bryan,

You are not fooling anyone. Good effort though.

Sincerely,
Xendojo

[Solis Obscuri]

Colonel Pada Vinson, on 02 September 2013 - 10:09 AM, said:

you realize that "mechwarrior" is a gaming franchise and mechs dont exist in the real world, but that "tanks" do?

You do realize that the term "mechwarrior" has been used outside of "Mechwarrior Online", to refer to a Battletech RPG as well as a series of video games produced by different publishers, right?

[Corvus Antaka]

Solis Obscuri, on 02 September 2013 - 10:46 AM, said:

You do realize that the term "mechwarrior" has been used outside of "Mechwarrior Online", to refer to a Battletech RPG as well as a series of video games produced by different publishers, right?

which ALL leads back to this game and the SAME franchise.

which is not something you can say for the term "tanks", that obviously includes far more than the video game.

I've heard some people are so disconnected from the real-world they don't even know tanks exist in it though and have for 100 years now.

[Akulakhan]

Colonel Pada Vinson, on 02 September 2013 - 10:55 AM, said:

which ALL leads back to this game and the SAME franchise.

which is not something you can say for the term "tanks", that obviously includes far more than the video game.

I've heard some people are so disconnected from the real-world they don't even know tanks exist in it though and have for 100 years now.

You're straight up comedy gold, Pada. Keep it up. The fact that you appear to live in a completely different universe is also scientifically intriguing.

[Corvus Antaka]

Akulakhan, on 02 September 2013 - 10:58 AM, said:

You're straight up comedy gold, Pada. Keep it up. The fact that you appear to live in a completely different universe is also scientifically intriguing.

Another useless post that says nothing. At least counter my point if your going to quote it, instead of posting drivel that means nothing and basically says "he's right, i can't think of what to say, so I'll just troll and hope that works"

[Jack Starborn]

Druidika, on 27 August 2013 - 03:02 PM, said:

Soo true. MWO is doomed.
Last saturday my graphic card burned. Thanks PGI, now I don't need to buy new one, since I quit playing your game.
Sayonara!
Edit: Typo

Edited by Jack Starborn, 02 September 2013 - 11:08 AM.

[Tor6]

I stumbled on a few recordings of the game I had made way back in closed beta after we were allowed to talk about it. It was like looking into a time capsule. The game actually looked better, there was a much greater variety of weapons in use. Mechs of all classes were being run. It was great. Yet.. at the same time very sad that that game is gone now. I miss that game.

[Corvus Antaka]

Tor6, on 02 September 2013 - 11:08 AM, said:

I stumbled on a few recordings of the game I had made way back in closed beta after we were allowed to talk about it. It was like looking into a time capsule. The game actually looked better, there was a much greater variety of weapons in use. Mechs of all classes were being run. It was great. Yet.. at the same time very sad that that game is gone now. I miss that game.

yeah. I miss when LRM was all anyone took, when the only viable boats where dual ac/20 mechs or 4 PPC stalkers.

not.

[Mechwarrior0311]

Its a miserable life when the only thing that entertains you is trolling a sci fi games forums.

[Tor6]

Colonel Pada Vinson, on 02 September 2013 - 11:50 AM, said:

yeah. I miss when LRM was all anyone took, when the only viable boats where dual ac/20 mechs or 4 PPC stalkers.

not.

I too remember the quad PPC stalkers back in closed bet- wait what?

[Solis Obscuri]

Victor Morson, on 02 September 2013 - 02:40 AM, said:

The sad thing is all of this, all of it, would go away if they would announce:

- We dumped 3PV outside of Trial mechs
- Ghost Heat is abolished entirely
- PPCs changed accordingly
- Fix the movement system and stop thinking tonnage =/= size
- Maybe buff a couple things in the XML files

Seriously, this would end 99% of the rage right there even without CW or UI2.0 at launch. The only reason NOT to do these thing is if you desire to go speeding off a cliff.

I think that would alleviate concern more than "rage" per se - players aren't just incensed about those features, they're more concerned about how they will affect the future of the game, and new player experience is a chief concern. The movement penalty and Ghost Heat systems are not set up in a way that's at all intuitive to understand, and 3PV lacks helpful HUD queues that would benefit new players, while facilitating jump-sniping and ambush tactics for more experienced players.

I think more of the outright "rage" right now is coming out of bad PR handling - a little more direct acknowledgement of player concerns on some of these items, or at least an explanation of why a convoluted system like Ghost Heat was chosen over all other alternatives would've gone a long ways. A statement that 3PV was being thrown into general queues because it's still beta and PGI wanted a maximum pool of testers (but that separate "Hardcore" queues were coded and could be turned on later) would've calmed people a lot more than a belated "apology" that was more an explanation of why Russ didn't think an apology was warranted and why be and Bryan didn't plan on implementing "Hardcore" mode, despite it being coded and available and having promised separate queues several months ago.

A lot of players are concerned not only about an IP that they feel strongly about, but also about a game many of us have put a considerable amount of money into backing this project, out of the belief that a certain vision was being followed - and now that confidence in PGI has been shaken, and it appears that decisions may be being made to "go after a new target audience" instead of keeping true to the vision the original backers were sold... there's a whole lot of angry consumers, some of whom are comparing it to a "bait and switch". I don't think that's what Russ and Bryan intended, but by first avoiding the potential confrontation of telling players up-front, and then making some statements about "target audience" that came off as high-handed and dismissive, it's a conclusion that wasn't hard to reach, particularly for anyone still harboring reservations about crowdfunding a small, somewhat inexperienced company undertaking a big ambitious project.

I think a real conversation about where the game is headed and what the "target audience" and "core audience" distinctions are (and how PGI intends to satisfy both) is needed, not just another gloss over a few upcoming features/content items, with no narrative tying them together.