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[RapierE01]

Hmm... if we have no other Ways i voted yes. Better than 3PV in 12vs12 Premades.

[Nyden]

Xenois Shalashaska, on 28 August 2013 - 08:50 PM, said:

but the simple fact is I don't know, then again how many people knew about the Phoenix project mechs or the addition Wolverine and griffin mechs. they aren't sharing info because why. People get angry over facts and its better to keep them guessing. All I can assume is right now, only way to communicate with people is in game and to add them on a friends list. Do you really think its going to stay his way. Would be the worst match making system ever.

The only thing they seem to be working on is new mechs. We get new mechs all the time, every other week it seems. And I don't know anything about UI 2.0 except that its gonna be cool awesome and they'll show it to us just as soon as it's too late for a phoenix refund.

And this 'poll' isn't helping to rebuild their credibility.

Edited by Nyden, 28 August 2013 - 08:58 PM.

[Big Bad Wulf]

Alexei Karnov, on 28 August 2013 - 11:22 AM, said:

Ah so the countdown to Mech-Assault-Online may have stalled? We can only hope

Just what my friend and I were discussing, that was the only logical explanation why the push for 3PV.

[ICEFANG13]

I'm amazed that the 1st person pro votes keep getting more and more % difference over pro 3rd+1st.

[Haitchpeasauce]

Teams can easily agree on not using 3PV, that's a given.

At this stage so much of the stink has to do with increasingly bad communication and PR.

Moromillas, on 28 August 2013 - 08:39 PM, said:

I'd like to take this opportunity to distance myself from a portion of the community. I've read most of the "feedback" from both these threads, and continually regurgitating "the lie" over and over again (more than 200 pages worth of the stuff) even after the mistake was apologized for, is not something I condone, support, endorse, in any way, shape or form.

It looks like you guys learned a very painful lesson about development. Any, and all communication is taken as gospel.
...

Do you take what you read on face value? It says "apology" so it is?

Not all communication is taken as gospel, but do I need to link to you all the old PGI posts that stated in black-and-white terms about 3PV first being out of the picture and then always a separate queue? You say this "portion of the community" was mistaken for taking PGI's word? I suppose they were!

Edited by Haitchpeasauce, 28 August 2013 - 09:09 PM.

[Xenois Shalashaska]

Nyden, on 28 August 2013 - 08:57 PM, said:

The only thing they seem to be working on is new mechs. We get new mechs all the time, every other week it seems. And I don't know anything about UI 2.0 except that its gonna be cool awesome and they'll show it to us just as soon as it's too late for a phoenix refund.

And this 'poll' isn't helping to rebuild their credibility.

Well the information on UI2.0 would calm every one down if we knew for a fact what it does. but dude. MechWarrior with only 12 mechs isn't a MechWarrior game. They should make PGI a religion because people are taking faith in there development direction. Im taking faith. lol ( so gay). Save the 12 vs 12, vote yes.

[Killashnikov]

Xenois, it already is... And Repete is correct - where 12v12 competition is concerned, we can easily agree on rules in advance - they are pre-planned after all. In fact pre-planned is the only way we find 12v12 matches these days.... I am worried that we don't sacrifice CW in the rush to mend fences with PGI. If it cannot happen then fine let them tell us, but trying to make it seem like we voted against 1st person CW like this is a bit more than just disappointing. If this is not the intention of the poll, let a PGI rep come into the thread and clarify for us.

[Sean von Steinike]

I voted yes....but it is absurd to think that only 12 man teams want a 1st PV only queue. When I play it is usually solo or with 1 other person, and more rarely with 1-3 others. None of us want 3pv garbage. And whatever the visible poll results end up as, the "silent majority" will end up voting for the seemingly less popular choice right?

Edited by Sean von Steinike, 28 August 2013 - 09:10 PM.

[DLRevan]

I'm pretty much done reading all these things. I keep clamouring for bryan or russ to say something that makes sense, but there's only so much I can take.

Those of you voting yes, or even voting at all, good on you. This poll is so loaded, its no different from the meaningless polls made by random users (not developers!) on other game forums. If you vote yes, then 12v12 will be 1PV only and this poll will be used as the excuse as to why the rest of MWO will never segregate 1PV and 3PV. Maybe even CW. If you vote no, then it'll be used as the reason why NOTHING in MWO will ever restrict 3PV. The right answer is to not vote at all.

Don't tell me that it only matters for premade 12v12. It doesn't. I bet you not even 50% of the core people (founders and what have you) are even playing premade 12v12. I will assume here that matchmaking actually works, and very high skilled PUG is roughly equivalent to low-mid premade skill level. That dilution is not going to change unless there is an explicit hardcore vs casual queue.

I'm pretty much done, as I've said. I see the point my friends have been making for months...they've all left long ago. No longer am I going to defend nonsense like this to others. I'm just posting this because it pains me to see people so taken in by a parlor trick, and as always I hope someone at PGI takes note, wakes up and decides he/she has to fix these messes that are ruining something that is really great at its core, both as a video game and as a part of BT.

And they better sit up and take notice. Because PGI/IGP chose to market this game through community & word-of-mouth means and clearly don't realize that that doesn't mean "hands-free advertising".

[GutterBoy5]

Hooray

[repete]

Xenois Shalashaska, on 28 August 2013 - 08:57 PM, said:

True, but im worried people wont vote

That is my hope. If and when they cite the vote we say "The emperor has no clothes! You got 1/4 of the votes you got in the real poll!"

Xenois Shalashaska, on 28 August 2013 - 08:57 PM, said:

...then 12 vs 12 3pv is implemented because of nasty comments. Then a lobby system is implemented, then we have a firestorm over 12 vs 12 being 3pv. rather vote yes now and save 12 vs 12.

If the cost is legitimising an illegitimate vote which is used to A - take a course of action which it sounds like you agree is only marginally better than what was on offer, AND, B - cited as "See! We do listen to you!" (As it already being done with examples such as the SRM buff)?

Edited by repete, 28 August 2013 - 09:16 PM.

[Xenois Shalashaska]

Killashnikov, on 28 August 2013 - 09:05 PM, said:

Xenois, it already is... And Repete is correct - where 12v12 competition is concerned, we can easily agree on rules in advance - they are pre-planned after all. In fact pre-planned is the only way we find 12v12 matches these days.... I am worried that we don't sacrifice CW in the rush to mend fences with PGI. If it cannot happen then fine let them tell us, but trying to make it seem like we voted against 1st person CW like this is a bit more than just disappointing. If this is not the intention of the poll, let a PGI rep come into the thread and clarify for us.

Yeah I agree with that. I only wanted to make the assumption if a lobby system comes into the game later and 12 vs 12 have 3pv, it will be a sad day.

[Nyden]

Xenois Shalashaska, on 28 August 2013 - 09:05 PM, said:

Well the information on UI2.0 would calm every one down if we knew for a fact what it does. but dude. MechWarrior with only 12 mechs isn't a MechWarrior game. They should make PGI a religion because people are taking faith in there development direction. Im taking faith. lol ( so gay). Save the 12 vs 12, vote yes.

If the Developers come forward and say "yes there is a lobby system in the works" My faith will be completely restored... well, not completely.

If there's a lobby system and the vast majority of the player base doesn't want to use 3PV then we can self monitor, even in a worst case scenario. We can make it a house rule. Heck, we could try even if it's just the tiny vocal minority who want it. I think allot of this would pass if they would just confirm they had some kind of lobby (and perhaps built in voice?) in the works, but I suspect there's a reason besides wanting to keep us guessing that we've heard so little about these features, even now.

But I bet there's more shiny mechs to release with project Phoenix (Phoenixhawk anyone?)

Edited by Nyden, 28 August 2013 - 09:16 PM.

[KovarD]

Can someone send me the image of the mechs walking to a cliff with a signboard "Launch Party"?

Edited by KovarD, 28 August 2013 - 09:17 PM.

[Chronojam]

GreatBeer, on 28 August 2013 - 04:18 PM, said:

This thread: Hey group of people clamoring for a thing! Do you want that thing? VOTE NOW!

The people who don't care arent here, why would you even bother asking here? And more importantly, since when does PGI actually care what anyone on these forums thinks? We aren't your target demographic, as I recall.

The conclusions of the poll is obvious, which makes me wonder why they're going through the motions when we've seen the results in prior polls (and threadnaughts).

[hoverstorm]

I voted yes, since this is one small step forward, despite huge step backwards.

Having said that, I would want to see a 1pv only queue (especially in CW - that is CW would ever enter the RTM stage)..

[Sean von Steinike]

Ranik Selesky, on 28 August 2013 - 09:15 PM, said:

Oh by the way. I will be taking screenshots of the newer poll at 30 minute intervals until I go to sleep in an hour or two.

Afterwords if anyone wants to take a screenshot of the poll results and post a bit later to make sure that it doesn't "vanish" without some evidence. Please do

If you are going to be awake for a while feel free to check on it and grab a screenshot every couple of hours if you feel like it.

Proof begets accountability

It doesn't really matter because the "silent majority" will vote whatever way PGI wants them to....just like they did in every other poll on 3rd pv it seems.

[Strongpaw]

Bryan Ekman, on 28 August 2013 - 10:21 AM, said:

Proposal: Limit 12 v 12 pre-made group matches to 1PV only.
Release Date: Mid to Late September

Details: 12 man pre-made group matches will have 1PV enforced as the only useable view mode. Players will not be able to switch between 1PV and 3PV when playing in 12 v 12 pre-made match play.

This gives our core audience, who represent almost exclusively the 12 man team group play, a place to enjoy a pure 1PV experience.

The public queues will remain a mix of 1PV and 3PV modes and Hardcore mode will be removed from the drop down list. Future enhancements to the matchmaker will allow stricter tonnage limits, and encourage a more fair and level playing field for all MWO matches.

The public queues SHOULD NOT remain a mix of 1PV and 3PV modes and Hardcore mode SHOULD NOT be removed from the drop down list.

This is still Forcing 3PV on People who DO NOT WANT IT. 99.99% OF THE GAMES i PLAY ARE PUGs. I have 12000 matches under my belt from before and after the stat reset. I had to work my tush off to get the GXP and pay after every match to get a new UAV That CAN be SHOT DOWN and doesn't even do Half of what the 3rd person does in terms of Pop Tarting Cheat Look Over Buildings And Fire at 1PV pilots wondering Where The Hell the shots are coming from and CAN'T BE DESTROYED AS WELL !?!?

i CALL BS WHEN I SEE IT!!!! THIS IS STILL BS! A PILE OF S**T REMAINS A PILE OF S**T EVEN IF YOU CALL IT A 'CUTE MEADOW MUFFIN'

[stjobe]

I'm not voting, since I don't play 12-man premades.

For the record though, these are my preferences for 3PV, in descending order:
1. Remove it completely (yes, I know this won't happen. It's still what I want them to do).
2. Separate 1PV and 3PV queues for every type of drop, even solo PUG, with no switching mid-drop.

So that's my silent vote: Separate 1PV and 3PV queues for every type of drop, please.

[David Makurai]

Separate 1PV and 3PV queues for every type of drop