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[Trauglodyte]

Bryan Ekman, on 28 August 2013 - 10:21 AM, said:

Proposal: Limit 12 v 12 pre-made group matches to 1PV only.
Release Date: Mid to Late September

Details: 12 man pre-made group matches will have 1PV enforced as the only useable view mode. Players will not be able to switch between 1PV and 3PV when playing in 12 v 12 pre-made match play.

This gives our core audience, who represent almost exclusively the 12 man team group play, a place to enjoy a pure 1PV experience.

The public queues will remain a mix of 1PV and 3PV modes and Hardcore mode will be removed from the drop down list. Future enhancements to the matchmaker will allow stricter tonnage limits, and encourage a more fair and level playing field for all MWO matches.

My only questions would be: Is Community Warfare going to provide a gaming experience taht would supplant the current game modes and, as such, be restricted to 1PV only? This would, as a comparison, provide the community with:

Unranked WoW w/ 1PV and 3PV
Ranked Arena and WoW Battle Grounds w/ 1PV only
Community Warfare "matches" w/ 1PV only

[DocBach]

Heffay, on 28 August 2013 - 12:31 PM, said:

Well Soarra, it looks like your sig is right if this goes through. If you never want to play against someone in 3PV, that is definitely going to be an option now.

The problem is, most of us no longer have at least 11 other friends who still are willing to play this game and drop in 12 mans. My gaming group had a resurgence of interest a couple patches back when ghost heat sort of mitigated the high PPC-meta, only to vacate our TS servers again with this one introducing not just 3rd person, but 3rd person as the default view mode.

[Franchi]

LeVelo, on 28 August 2013 - 12:33 PM, said:

Bryan Ekman, this filibuster poll is directly responsible for my uninstalling MWO. You aren't just ignoring the input of players who didn't want third person, you're ******** on us. **** you, and the horse you hovered in behind.

I'm out of likes but ill give you 9000 internets and a cookie.

[Throat Punch]

**** that. I want a totally separate 1pv ONLY queue, not some ******** half assed 12 v 12 only 1pv queue. You guys have driven away so many people on my friends list that i don't think i can find more then 5 people online at any given point so I sure as hell couldn't fill a full 12 man. And if you answer is "make more friends" I'll counter with "fix your game so I have friends that will stay and play".

[soarra]

DocBach, on 28 August 2013 - 12:37 PM, said:

The problem is, most of us no longer have at least 11 other friends who still are willing to play this game and drop in 12 mans. My gaming group had a resurgence of interest a couple patches back when ghost heat sort of mitigated the high PPC-meta, only to vacate our TS servers again with this one introducing not just 3rd person, but 3rd person as the default view mode.

This is the issue, my friends list is mostly empty last few times i logged in. Now its non existent..
THis solves nothing since only the minority of players do the 12v12 queues.

[RaKa]

Bryan, as much as I like this poll, why not just enable the Hardcore Queues you had snuck in a patch or two ago? Saves you time, money, and manpower. Then you can focus on other things.

Win-WIn!

Inb4 this thread fills with #savemwo, PGI bashing and IGP hate.

Edited by RaKa, 28 August 2013 - 12:41 PM.

[AdamBaines]

I voted yes on this, but I still have not seen, In game, how 3PV in its current format changes how a game is played and has actual influence over the out come (in a positive way for the person using 3PV).

So it really does not matter to me.

[Slopey]

Hopefully, if they actually listen, this opens the door for 8 mans again, as they are competitive so therefore by the OPs reasoning, 1PV only would be appropriate.

The flexi-groups for 1-12 might be nerfed by this however, if they were ever going to put them back in, because they'll likely need to fill it out with pugs, and they'll be 3PV/1PV mixed.

[TyrEol]

Voted yes as I think 12v12s seem like the most likely place with voice coms and premade groups where 3pv scouting hacks erm I mean abuse erm whatever it's being called now is mostly likely to affect people.

Sadly I'd still like to feel that people weren't abusing this in the public matches I drop into though.

[Beef Hands]

No. I want be able to drop casually and not have to play against 3PV players. I would like to be able to stay with my current team and not have to join another one (that has more active players) just so I can play in "hardcore" mode.

[zenlike]

I think this is a great compromise. The player base can't really handle a hardcore/3PV split but the hardcore players are hugely over-represented in the 12-man queue. The newer players usually aren't found in the 12-mans.

[TSB101]

Farix, on 28 August 2013 - 10:51 AM, said:

No, because the players should have a choise of doing 1PV/3PV or 1PV-only, even in 12v12. It should not be limited to just one option.

But don't you see? It is ALREADY limited to one option. And that is 1PV/3PV. Not 3PV only or 1PV only. At LEAST this way the default mode for 12v12 will be what 90% of what 12v12 players will want.

Unfortunately for myself, I don't play in groups but I would still like a non 1PV/3PV option. This is a step in the right direction and so gets my vote.

[Armando]

I had stated in a prior post that if the poll was "should 3PV be removed from the game all together" the results would be similar. Now that I have read through this tread a little more, I think I was wrong....more people would have voted yes than in this poll.

You REALLY want to show the community you listen....remove 3PV from the game PERIOD. No splitting of the cues, no 'only in 12 vs 12'....take it OUT and NEVER bring it back.

In case you missed it, we are not a 'vocal minority', we are the VAST MAJORITY.

[Gremlich Johns]

Since 3PV is here to stay whether "we" like it or not, my point of view on 3PV and some rational suggestions since it is here:

1) Do not set the default to 3PV "ON". A short tutorial for new players in the launcher when they first get the game installed and setup that tells them what the view choices are and how to select one would be easy to generate (and how to turn it on or off while in game as well as describing other play options like lock arms and auto torso center) ;

2) If 3PV is intended to help new player get used to piloting a mech, remove the zoom function - training wheels do not need a zoom function and snipers will not be able to abuse the feature;

3) Limit the clear view distance of the 3PV mode to 300m, past that think of Zelda in 16-bit. This will negate the ability of a player to observe his opponents with no danger of being hit. Instead, equip the destructible UAV with a medium rez camera, with a 1.5x or 2x zoom mode that everybody can pay for with either C-bills or MC;

4) Make the training grounds for new players a better experience by putting in some mechs with a simple AI and have the view mode default to 3PV when entering it;

5) Make the integration of Joysticks easier and cite them as a good way for new players to do torso twist.

Remember, PGI have said that the intent of the 3PV mode is to help players learn how to play the game. A training tool is not intended to permit a clever and "I gotta win at all costs" player to abuse (it is not a hack!) a game capability, however coarse a tool it is. The max clear viewing range of 300m will still allow a player to see his mech's paint/camo and dakka dakka.

Edited by Gremlich Johns, 28 August 2013 - 12:47 PM.

[Heffay]

DocBach, on 28 August 2013 - 12:37 PM, said:

The problem is, most of us no longer have at least 11 other friends who still are willing to play this game and drop in 12 mans. My gaming group had a resurgence of interest a couple patches back when ghost heat sort of mitigated the high PPC-meta, only to vacate our TS servers again with this one introducing not just 3rd person, but 3rd person as the default view mode.

I highly suggest that you check out the NGNG teamspeak servers then, as there are usually groups there looking to form up. In addition, there may be a lobby coming as well with UI 2.0 (hopefully, or soon after), and that will be another great way to enter the 1PV only queues.

[Arnold Carns]

NO! Reason: "Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person." Stick to your promise you gave on the 31st of March 2013!

[Morang]

Not enough. Split queues to allow random drops in 1PV, or lose part of community you're trying to avoid splitting. Enjoy your "new players retention" and Sabre Pack sales, I'm not back until Hardcore fully enabled.

[Snuglninja]

Is there a who gives a **** answer? No one plays 12 v 12 because your meta is ***. Thanks but no thanks

[Xoxim SC]

I personally voted no due to the fact that I haven't really noticed many people in the 12v12s that I've done utilizing 3rd person view. Quite frankly after playing a bit I don't really notice that many players using it in general, but that could be due to my ELO ranking. I personally will run around initially with it on since I enjoy looking at my mech and its shiny paint, but once the shooting starts, I'm immediately back in 1st person view.

[arghmace]

If this also means CW, then yes. Otherwise no.