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[Grey Black]

Voted yes, but I also want it known that this should not be a replacement for a hardcore queue. The majority of the time, I do find myself pugging and I am also ADAMANTLY anti-3PV. A proper hardcore queue of FPV only should still be implemented side-by-side with the FPV lock in 12v12, perhaps justified as a way to ease potential 12v12 fodder into the FPV locked mindset.

EDIT:

Deleted my vote. I really think that the way this is worded really is too ambiguous and too biased to put in. Yes, 12v12 should be FPV locked. However, I should still have the option, as a pugger, to queue as a FPV only vs a mixed queue. If this suggestion is implemented, I will go find a unit to begin doing 12v12 exclusively from now on.

Edited by Grey Black, 28 August 2013 - 07:46 PM.

[Johnny Z]

With ui 2.0 I think it is called maybe a 12 man premade group isn't a big deal. Maybe it is standard, anyway I went with yes.

[Wolfways]

Stour, on 28 August 2013 - 07:22 PM, said:

Once again I will ask nicely, as least for myself, please reconsider the stance on the PUG queues, delete this poll, and come up with a better set of Poll options that represent a wider facet of community concerns...

You can vote on an unbiased poll (link in my sig)

[Ghost_19Hz]

Wolfways, on 28 August 2013 - 07:31 PM, said:

You can vote on an unbiased poll (link in my sig)

link not working...

[AC]

Bryan Ekman, on 28 August 2013 - 10:21 AM, said:

Proposal: Limit 12 v 12 pre-made group matches to 1PV only.
Release Date: Mid to Late September

Details: 12 man pre-made group matches will have 1PV enforced as the only useable view mode. Players will not be able to switch between 1PV and 3PV when playing in 12 v 12 pre-made match play.

This gives our core audience, who represent almost exclusively the 12 man team group play, a place to enjoy a pure 1PV experience.

The public queues will remain a mix of 1PV and 3PV modes and Hardcore mode will be removed from the drop down list. Future enhancements to the matchmaker will allow stricter tonnage limits, and encourage a more fair and level playing field for all MWO matches.

Sorry, but this in no way shape or form helps me and my lance. There are quite a number of your "core" players that don't play 12vs12 premades because we can't find enough guys to fill 12 on a consistent basis anymore. Why can't you just split 1pv games from 3pv games? It should be that easy..... Your core group forked over 5 million for our founders packs. We are the ones that have proven we open our wallets. I am not advocating that you cater only to us, but you do seriously need to consider our needs/wants for this game.

Edited by AC, 28 August 2013 - 07:41 PM.

[Nyden]

woah! This is a developer poll? I was pretty sure official word was "screw you guys, everyone else wants 3PV". This seems allot like too little, too late to me. If they had been willing to have this conversation a week ago I might still have a tiny bit of respect for the developers and a sliver of hope for the game in general but this just feels like another attempt to sideline us into shutting up until launch so that we don't turn off the giant influx of new customers drawn in by the gimped 3PV and the (possibly empty) promises of more to come.

There's no reason to believe that this poll will ever lead to anything; Our opinions don't matter. That's the one message they've been very clear about and the only thing I trust them on, at this point.

Also, I'm a pugger (and accustomed to losing more often than I win) and while I have 3 or 4 friends who are interested in this game, I wouldn't be able to convince them to play for more than a couple days in it's current state. 12v12 is not something I expect to do... ever, unless I can pug it. What about 1PV only in community warfare? Or what if you're locked into one or the other at the start of the match.


The really sad thing is that, while I believe 3PV brings nothing positive to this game and is only going to make balancing everything harder (because they want 3PV to be 'balanced'), I could probably learn to live with it, particularly if they do a good job with UI 2.0 and CW. They've botched the handling of all this so badly that now I'm not convinced that they're version of where this game is headed is the one I was pitched and the one I spent money and beta tested to help get developed. As a result I can't spend any more money on an unfinished product without any clear idea of what I'm getting. I'm truly on the ropes on my Overlord Phoenix purchase. It's lotsa cool mechs but will I ever want to drive them... I dunno

And this is their version of damage control: A tiny bone issued long after the truly incensed have already quit for ever and told their friends. A poll that they can choose to listen to or shrug off however it fits into their game plan.


There's a sad part of me that really wants to forgive and forget. Probably the same sad part that doesn't want to feel like I've been used this whole time. It really wouldn't be that hard if they'd just try.

But this is insulting.

[xZaOx]

Also I would need 11 of my members including my self to actually install the game to do the 12 man 1PV mode. We are all founders, mainly legendary. But we don't matter, and we are a minority, so we'll just keep playing other games.

[Wolfways]

Nice going PGI....You amaze me. I've never seen a company that so openly shows its contempt for its customers.

[Killashnikov]

Please don't tell me you deleted the other poll? Guys the people who start these polls are trying to give you information which can help you make decisions! Do you want feedback or not?!? Sure you started this poll, but the options are tied to conditions people cannot accept as they misrepresent their opinion... Please reconsider this drive to twist results of community feedback. Remember: garbage in = garbage out. I have another purchase option in front of me now - wether I pay is balanced on the developers actions over the next few weeks. The direction is improving, but you are still not there.

[Ghost_19Hz]

xZaOx, on 28 August 2013 - 07:29 PM, said:

I'm REALLY confused. Why are you asking the vocal minority, that doesn't count for anything. Why come to our island and ask us? We don't matter remember.

Confused.

Oh man, how did I miss that zinger?

[XphR]

I personally cannot sign off on a quick fix like this for a few reasons^#.., but I also can not tell you how far even extending the idea goes (I can say its the correct direction for my bandaids to kick in) after the last few play dates things have been more than sour in the sand box.

My personal issue and of those I represent (that we can only hope to be shared by a group of like minded others) is the opportunity to at the very least attempt playing fpv only in any combination of group size aka one through twelve groups should be had. I understand this could potentially make things rough on some people, at the same time it could actually work and work well(and should be worth a shot)! Im assuming you would attempt matching the larger groups first filling in smaller groups and then lonewolfs, much like it should work now.

If it falls flat on its face.., 'I will sigh and say "By the gods we tried, by the gods we failed"'. Then I would count my losses (in faction mates) and continue to enjoy (albeit less often and without the current allowance I afford myself) what I have vs what could have been.

The size of our group is very fluid (much like the mesh of third party VOIPs we are strung across[and despite the current limitations]), from running solo, pairs, tridents, lances and mixes of the such. The group changes from hour to hour or sometimes between launches. Some of our numbers are from mercenary houses, others destined lone wolves looking for a drop with allies but no strings, some are picked up for shining in the face of ultimate doom (from either side) and some just ask for a little back up with a side of information and camaraderie.

We go to great lengths to help everyone have at least one lance mate to work with (we also attempt to synch drop[with greater and greater success this last week{at least when we land off sides we can still enjoy the subterfuge and hunting of friends}]) but truly we would like to "get inside our mechs" with one to eleven other people also "inside their mechs" against twelve more people "inside their mechs".

^# The public queues will remain a mix of 1PV and 3PV modes and Hardcore mode will be removed from the drop down list.

Edited by XphR, 29 August 2013 - 01:26 AM.

[Viper69]

People DONT VOTE!! Its a biased poll only self serving for a certain demographic.

[Butane9000]

There shouldn't even be a poll about this. Just keep your word and split the ques period.

[dtgamemaster]

A good compromise between 2 sides.
Thanks for taking this step to make things better.
Voted Yes.

[Viper69]

695 people fell for a completely bias poll. Amazing how many are born a minute.

[CaldeteisX]

xZaOx, on 28 August 2013 - 07:29 PM, said:

I'm REALLY confused. Why are you asking the vocal minority, that doesn't count for anything. Why come to our island and ask us? We don't matter remember.

Confused.

This is just way too true!

Also not voting in this highly biased poll that is more smoke and mirrors than honestly requesting community feedback with all options available.

[Jekrump]

This doesn't do anything for loners or groups of three or four that wanted a mech combat SIMULATOR that was promised. I payed one hundred and twenty dollars for a simulator, I didn't want to support Mech Assault 3.

[Alex Wolfe]

Bryan Ekman, on 28 August 2013 - 10:21 AM, said:

This gives our core audience, who represent almost exclusively the 12 man team group play, a place to enjoy a pure 1PV experience.

So thousands of players who voted "no" to 3pv are the ones in 12v12 player queue? Is that what your telemetry is telling you?

Bryan Ekman, on 28 August 2013 - 10:21 AM, said:

The public queues will remain a mix of 1PV and 3PV modes and Hardcore mode will be removed from the drop down list.

Remove the button, swipe it under the carpet, pretend it never happened.

Nice fake-out, and nice loaded poll where the only options are "yes, give 12v12 1pv only" vs. "no, [3rd person is fine]".

Edited by Alex Wolfe, 28 August 2013 - 07:59 PM.

[Azakael]

Sorry, I agree with the posters that say this poll is horse-pucky.
698 people should look at it again and delete their posts.

The option is:
12 v 12: 1PV only, PuG: Take what you get.
or
12 v 12 and PuG: Hardcore, 12 v 12 and PuG: Take what you get.

[Screech]

Airborne Thunder, on 28 August 2013 - 07:12 PM, said:

56 people work for PGI.

I am assuming you are referring to the no votes. I voted no. I did it for one reason. PGI's proposed solution was not acceptable to me. I think confining 1PV to one small subset is an unacceptable solution. But they asked for my opinion(finally) so I responded. Got to start somewhere, just glaring at one another ain't gonna accomplish much.