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[Mister Blastman]

S3dition, on 28 August 2013 - 08:25 PM, said:

Anyone who announces they will not pay is not a customer. Therefore they do not need to be treated as such. Welcome to the real service industry.

Anyone who believes that went to the school of business failure. In the real b-school, they teach you to treat everyone as a potential customer. They also teach you that it is much harder to convert a non-customer into a customer than it is to keep existing customers happy.

Well, PGI is totally porking that last rule, aren't they?

[jakucha]

Mister Blastman, on 29 August 2013 - 07:54 AM, said:

Anyone who believes that went to the school of business failure. In the real b-school, they teach you to treat everyone as a potential customer. They also teach you that it is much harder to convert a non-customer into a customer than it is to keep existing customers happy.

Well, PGI is totally porking that last rule, aren't they?

Are they? Unfortunately, you have no actual proof.

[Wales Grey]

Omni 13, on 29 August 2013 - 07:47 AM, said:

Did it hurt when you pulled that out of your ***?

Thanks for #paulsideas posting, buddy. How 'bout you take some FACTS to go with all that #paulsideas you're spewing?

Fact: PGI has said they want you to spend ~20 hours grinding C-Bills to purchase an Atlas.
Source: Ask the Devs 45

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There was a need to bring down the average to get the c-bill earning per hour to a level that makes sense in terms of the amount of time to acquire the higher end assault Mechs. This has been tuned to approximately 19-20hrs of gameplay to purchase an Atlas.

Fact: An Atlas costs ~5.5k MC, a sum roughly equivalent to ~$30USD.
Source: In-game stores for MC/$ and for the MC cost of an Atlas. The smallest package that gets you enough MC is 29.95, five cents less expensive than the next-cheapest method.

Edited by Wales Grey, 29 August 2013 - 08:05 AM.

[Aym]

Kristoffer Lyons, on 28 August 2013 - 04:13 PM, said:

Yeah, you got our monies, so you want to show us haters love. Thanks guys.

[Murphy7]

6 of the original 14 from the old box set that got so many of us started down this path so very long ago? This is wonderful.

Might have to sign on with Marik, they had an excellent Wolverine variant in the 3050 TR.

[Pwnographic Kerensky]

NOT ONE MORE CENT!!! #savemwo

[DirePhoenix]

Vegentius, on 29 August 2013 - 03:17 AM, said:

I enjoyed my time as a closed beta participant, and at the time I was limited as to what I would shell out to "kickstart" a new MechWarrior game. LoL was fun but to me that's kind of along the lines of what I expected here. I soon found out that was not the case but you couldn't simply "up" your founder package as you can with the phoenix proposal. Anyhow, none of that really matters. What holds merit is even if I had spent $120 I would still feel I got my moneys worth.

Not sure what you mean by you couldn't "up" your package. I started out with the Elite Founder's package and then upgraded to Legendary just before the promotion ended.

But in any event, I think that feeling slighted about a new package coming into existence is a bit silly. It's not like you didn't get what you paid for, or that this phoenix package reduces the value of your founder's package. It's just a different package. That would be like getting upset because you got a new, limited edition Chevy Camaro and about a year later GM decides to resurrect Pontiac's Firebird, which is something you would have preferred to get had you (impossibly) known about it beforehand. Nothing (except money) stops you from getting both, and the existence of a new thing doesn't effect the old thing. It's not like your Founder's 'mechs are no longer unique. It's not like they're selling your Founder's 'mechs for a cheaper price. They are selling different mechs for a better value (IMO), but that doesn't diminish your Founder's items, which no one else can get now.

[anfadern]

I would like to have been a fly on the wall in the office when the Reinforcement package was decided!

Was it like

- Hey I got this great idea, people are buying this package like crazy lets do another one at once! We''l get rich!

Or maybe

- Hey I got this great idea, we can improve the game even more lets give our customers something that we think they will value a lot. A package that will commemorate the launch of the game

What do you all think?!?!

[Athurio]

What if I told you, you don't have to purchase the package for the mechs to be available to you?

[DirePhoenix]

SteelPaladin, on 29 August 2013 - 07:25 AM, said:

It's not strictly true that there are no legal ramifications. The Crusher Joe and Dougram studios never sued; removing those was a precaution. Harmony Gold did and, barring some kind of prior contract, there is nothing preventing them from suing again.

It's likely they'd lose in court (since MWO art is different enough to probably win a copyright claim even on BT-owned TRO art), but that's already damage done. In most cases, getting the losing party to pay the winner's legal costs requires a finding that the loser acted in "bad faith," which is a very high bar to reach in the American legal system unless they managed to **** off the judge. Even if PGI could get HG to foot their bill after a loss, they would have had to front that money from the beginning of the suit until they could collect, which could be a lot of money effectively flushed for a long time with the way the American legal system works.

They'd be redesigned anyway. The MWO art style and the Macross art style are incompatible to begin with. With HG's record, it's more like they say no unless you give them licensing fees they're not entitled to because the art is different, but they'll sue you anyway and tie you up in court for ages bleeding money if they don't get it.

The bleeding goes both ways. And from what I can tell, HG is no longer in any shape to keep up that battle either, what with their claims against Hasbro, the Japanese government saying that HG has no right to control the Macross IP anyway, and HG's misadventures in the real estate market (yes those are the same people), and their CEO's recent sentencing of tax fraud. They will kill themselves if they try to make a claim they can't support. So I say bring it.

[DarkCain]

I have been giving some thought about what the various unseens might look like. The mech appearance I am thinking of draws from PGI/IGP existing intellectual property so there is no legal issue to worry about.

Maruader - uses a somewhat thicker version of the cataphract legs and a catapult upper. The arms would be a cross between the cataphract and awesome.

Archer - my gut tells me it would look almost like a dragon clone with quickdraw style missile bays. The cockpit would move upward or if it stayed in place resemble maybe the cataphract cockpit.

Warhammer - It would look like a smaller cousin of the awesome with the missle pod of the battlemaster integrated into the shoulder and no armor fins on the shoulders. May borrow some in design from the Jagermechs legs and cataphract shoulders. There would be no light mounted on or into the other shoulder thus removing a distinguished feature of the original unseen.

Phoenix Hawk - this one was trickier to visualize. Similar shoulder guards seen on the wolverine with hunchback arms. Right arm has the wolverine laser sticking out in an under arm mount that of the battlemaster. Outside laser mounts on the other arm like that of the commando. The legs would be a sleeker version of the shadow hawk legs. Chest is a cross between the griffin and hunchback. The jump jets on its back would be a cross between the quickdraw and the spider.

[Xathanael]

Yeah I'm a sucker...

[Ngamok]

lastkhan, on 28 August 2013 - 08:16 PM, said:

So what your saying is just because you work for someone you cant be funny or connect to the forums. Is that right?

Everyone I deal with on a regular basis here at work (Picture Framing) likes my sense of humor. I joke with most of my customers.

[Source Control]

Anyone else think the Wolverine Mech's cockpit looks like Beeker? http://mwomercs.com/phoenix

[Faust of Steiner]

Would people be opposed to paying on average $8-10 per mech if they received models of these printed from a 3D printer? I personally would. Look at how Skylanders, and now Disney Infinity, is revitalizing the gaming aisle. RockBand allowed users to order models of their custom made characters created from 3D printers a while back. Allowing someone to hold a physical piece of something in their hand feels exponentially more satisfying. Anyways, just a thought I had.

Edited by Faust of Steiner, 29 August 2013 - 09:00 AM.

[Chiun44]

How long do we have to decide on the Saber package? Until launch?

I'm on the fence. I went Overlord and am just banking XP at the moment until those mechs show up, although I'm wondering about working Stalkers in the interim. I'm just making sure I've got modules, etc ready to go, and my existing stable of mechs tricked out. I don't know that these two 55 ton mechs get me jazzed, unless there was a definite ECM option on one of them. I still find ECM to be very powerful, even in the current state.

As previous posters have said, I'm really looking forward to versions of the Warhammer, Marauder, and Phoenix Hawk. I'd like to see the Wasp and Stinger too - take the place of Commando and Spiders, or at least get in the mix. Archer and Crusader are in the list too, but last priority for me.

[Deathsiege]

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[Nightcrept]

ok i hate you.

Now take my money and let me go cry in the corner ans suck my thumb until my mechs get here.



P.S. GIve me a new shiny atlas hero mech.....pleeeeaaasse.

[Feign death]

Wow this is awesome oh wait i still dont have a choice about 3rd person view never mind. Glad i didnt put anymore money into this game and wont tell they pull there head out out of a dark hole and start listining to there real play base.

[BadgerWI]

DirePhoenix, on 29 August 2013 - 08:46 AM, said:

The bleeding goes both ways. And from what I can tell, HG is no longer in any shape to keep up that battle either, what with their claims against Hasbro, the Japanese government saying that HG has no right to control the Macross IP anyway, and HG's misadventures in the real estate market (yes those are the same people), and their CEO's recent sentencing of tax fraud. They will kill themselves if they try to make a claim they can't support. So I say bring it.

I like where your heads at. Ajd would be all for challenging hg in court. It's a lot easier to say when its not our money or company we're risking. :-)