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[Bilbo]

JeremyCrow, on 29 August 2013 - 05:33 AM, said:

If people keep throwing money at PGI, then they'll assume everything is great and we won't have the game we were promised.

If people quit throwing money at PGI, there will be no game with which to reach that promise. If you don't enjoy the game or the direction of development, don't spend money on it. There are those, like me, who still enjoy playing the game and we'll spend our money as we like.

[Ngamok]

Todd Lightbringer, on 28 August 2013 - 01:43 PM, said:

You guys might as well add the Phoenix Hawk (considering it's in the same timeline and you named the promotion Project Phoenix), and call it a day.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Phoenix_Hawk

I am 18 pages behind but I am sure someone already said it, Unseen still, thanks Harmony Gold.

[prizim]

Rayzor, on 29 August 2013 - 06:26 AM, said:

Normally I would say the same thing, but I haven't been able to play for around a month and I'm getting sick of hearing nothing.

Interesting... You have tried reinstalling windows and then reinstalling the game? That worked for me.

[Ngamok]

Hexenhammer, on 28 August 2013 - 01:56 PM, said:

So they added two more mechs.


Wonder what will happen with the Marauder and Warhammer.

Maybe they'll be released on Launch?

18 pages behind sorry. But Harmony Gold says no unless you completely redesign them.

[Wales Grey]

Gillopi, on 29 August 2013 - 07:16 AM, said:

ok now i'm anoied i spend 80 dollars on phonix package now if i want the full set i have to pay more all i can say is NO i will not spend anymore money on this game i am not a living wallet

Too bad, you're not PGI's target audience then.

[Ngamok]

Airborne Thunder, on 28 August 2013 - 02:12 PM, said:

This Saber Reinforcement thing only makes me want a Project Phoenix refund even more. Again you buy something and they change it on you after you already spent the money. So now if I want the complete Project Phoenix set I have to spend an additional $30.00 to get the new additions. As I am no longer giving PGI any more money I am stuck with the choice of have an incomplete set of Project Phoenix mechs or canceling my Project Phoenix preorder altogether. What to do...

I don't get it. They are offering more. You don't need to buy more. What you are saying is "So now if I want the complete Project Phoenix set I have to spend an additional $30.00 to get the new additions" that the new additions should be included in the original price.

[DragonsFire]

Gillopi, on 29 August 2013 - 07:16 AM, said:

ok now i'm anoied i spend 80 dollars on phonix package now if i want the full set i have to pay more all i can say is NO i will not spend anymore money on this game i am not a living wallet

No one said you have to spend that money. Those chassis will be available for free, they will just be delivered later on and available for C-Bills.

I'm not sure how this is a bad thing that they're giving an additional package for all of these mechs to be cheaper up front, and delivered earlier, with bays. They are a business, and their part of their business is selling mechs, and in this case they're offering those mechs at a discount of what they would be offered if bought individually. But if you don't like it or you're annoyed, there is nothing saying that you have to buy them at all.

Edit: I understand the collector mentality and needing to have everything from the set, but that particular hangup is on the individual, not PGI.

Edited by DragonsFire, 29 August 2013 - 07:26 AM.

[SteelPaladin]

Mason Grimm, on 29 August 2013 - 06:40 AM, said:

PGI doesn't need to negotiate with Harmony Gold to bring the rest of the "Unseen" to MWO; HG owns the rights to the original artwork but not the mechs/loadouts/layouts/technical specifications. PGI simply needs to decide "Ok, we are gonna do this. Alex, sharpen your pencils and get to redesigning these mechs".

The problem with doing this is that, while there are no legal ramifications, the player community would be split in half; half of us be rising up in arms saying "but this isn't the officer glaug battle pod of super awesomeness of my childhood" and the other half would be like "yeah thats okay. I can live with it".

It's not strictly true that there are no legal ramifications. The Crusher Joe and Dougram studios never sued; removing those was a precaution. Harmony Gold did and, barring some kind of prior contract, there is nothing preventing them from suing again.

It's likely they'd lose in court (since MWO art is different enough to probably win a copyright claim even on BT-owned TRO art), but that's already damage done. In most cases, getting the losing party to pay the winner's legal costs requires a finding that the loser acted in "bad faith," which is a very high bar to reach in the American legal system unless they managed to **** off the judge. Even if PGI could get HG to foot their bill after a loss, they would have had to front that money from the beginning of the suit until they could collect, which could be a lot of money effectively flushed for a long time with the way the American legal system works.

Ngamok, on 29 August 2013 - 07:16 AM, said:

18 pages behind sorry. But Harmony Gold says no unless you completely redesign them.

They'd be redesigned anyway. The MWO art style and the Macross art style are incompatible to begin with. With HG's record, it's more like they say no unless you give them licensing fees they're not entitled to because the art is different, but they'll sue you anyway and tie you up in court for ages bleeding money if they don't get it.

ThermidorFallen, on 29 August 2013 - 03:40 AM, said:

I made 450K+ in 2 matches with hero and premium. How the hell did you only make ~400k in a night???

I take it you missed the point where I stated I'm not an awesome player? I've never had a 225k match in a year of playing this game. I played 4 or 5 matches (which is all I have time for in an evening) and won 1. That's how it happened. I'm perfectly fine w/rewarding skill and I have no issue w/the pros making more than me. Unless they're saying ONLY the pros should enjoy their game, however, it would be nice if it wasn't torturous for the rest of us.

It used to be fine for someone at my level playing a few matches a night w/premium. I hardly have a full stable, but it felt like progress could be made. Now it doesn't so much, which brings me back to my initial statement. If it's going to be torture anyway, might as well be free torture.

Edited by SteelPaladin, 29 August 2013 - 07:30 AM.

[Ngamok]

Kaptain, on 28 August 2013 - 02:27 PM, said:

2 more 55 ton jump mechs? I kinda want but my shadow fills that role already and the sabre hardpoints kinda suck...

It's mostly for nostalgic people and people who like to collect. Plus, the other 2 models might have different configs. We'll see in February and March for the others.

[Xathanael]

!!!!MOAR MONEH!!!!

[Ngamok]

Airborne Thunder, on 28 August 2013 - 02:50 PM, said:

May I suggest that before PGI goes on creating new Project Phoenix mechs they might take a little time to finish the Founders mech paint job makeovers that they seemed to have forgotten about halfway through the process. That would be nice.

I kinda like my HBK-4G camo on my Founders mech. Leave it alone

[Yazleb]

I reckon you'd make more money if you let us choose what we want to buy.

I want to give you 40 bucks, but I want Shadowhawk and Thunder fatty, I don't want to give you 20 bucks for the locust.

Just let me give you $40, I swear you'd have my money if you did. But now you've got no sale from me.

And another point, I'd give you $30 right this second if you let me (for Grif and Wolv) but I have to spend $20 in order to do so?

Let people give you their money, come on it's so easy.

Anyone else feel this way? I mean I understand this is not an issue for some people, that's fine But I'm a founder of $80 bucks and I only want to spend like 20-50 dollars more on this game, then I have to draw the line of greater responsibility +2

Edited by Yazleb, 29 August 2013 - 07:33 AM.

[Kraven Kor]

Paladin One, on 28 August 2013 - 04:54 PM, said:

People complain waaaay too much! They're like "i cant believe that a company likes money!" Serioulsy guys? does a bear {Scrap} in the woods?

I'm fine with them wanting to make money.

If they would actually prove they have any intentions of every giving us the game they sold us last year, I would happily buy this for one of my favorite mechs of all time is the Wolverine.

[Wales Grey]

Yazleb, on 29 August 2013 - 07:31 AM, said:

I reckon you'd make more money if you let us choose what we want to buy.

I want to give you 40 bucks, but I want Shadowhawk and Thunder fatty, I don't want to give you 20 bucks for the locust.

Just let me give you $40, I swear you'd have my money if you did. But now you've got no sale from me.

And another point, I'd give you $30 right this second if you let me (for Grif and Wolv) but I have to spend $20 in order to do so?

Let people give you their money, come on it's so easy.

Anyone else feel this way? I mean I understand this is not an issue for some people, that's fine But I'm a founder of $80 bucks and I only want to spend like 20-50 dollars on this game, then I have to draw the line of greater responsibility +2

Sorry, but Assault mechs are "top-tier avatars" that PGI wants players to "spend ~20 hours grinding" for. Or about $40 in MC. After all, that's how World of Tanks prices its stuff, right?

Besides, what's wrong with them earning another $5mil by hyping future content and then delaying the delivery? Geeze, don't you know that I'm so hungry for a new mechwarrior game that I would literally eat #paulsideas, fresh from the ground at the dog park if it meant that I got a new game with the word "Mechwarrior" printed on it?

It's like you want this to fail because of your criticism, how dare you speak ill of the developers. Besides, this game is just in beta, I'm sure they'll patch the sale to let you do that after launch. After all, people who post on the forums are a clear minority so therefore you must be wrong!

[Commander Kobold]

TK42Kahn, on 29 August 2013 - 04:51 AM, said:

-snip-

more like would you like to also pay 30$ for these fuzzy dice and fancy rims which do not effect the value of the base car whatsoever

[SteelPaladin]

Yazleb, on 29 August 2013 - 07:31 AM, said:

I reckon you'd make more money if you let us choose what we want to buy.

I want to give you 40 bucks, but I want Shadowhawk and Thunder fatty, I don't want to give you 20 bucks for the locust.

Just let me give you $40, I swear you'd have my money if you did. But now you've got no sale from me.

And another point, I'd give you $30 right this second if you let me (for Grif and Wolv) but I have to spend $20 in order to do so?

Let people give you their money, come on it's so easy.

Anyone else feel this way? I mean I understand this is not an issue for some people, that's fine But I'm a founder of $80 bucks and I only want to spend like 20-50 dollars on this game, then I have to draw the line of greater responsibility +2

I feel the same way. The mediums are all that interest me, particularly the Griffin. Even if I was feeling spendy on MWO, though, there's no way I could justify spending $50 just to get the Griffin.

The GRF-1N is a horribly vulnerable mech w/MWO's aiming system. That missile pod is just like the Hunchback's hunch. You can hit it from anywhere, so there is no way to protect yourself from losing all of your weapons quickly. At least the HBK has a head and LA gun. $50 for a nostalgic-but-bad mech is just a non-starter.

Unfortunately, their bean counters have told them that gating things this way earns them more scratch. Judging by the number of Overlord buys I've seen, they're probably right, too. Ironic, since the tagline for F2P is that you only pay for what you actually want. Money talks, though.

EDIT: Removing double-quote.

Edited by SteelPaladin, 29 August 2013 - 07:52 AM.

[gwarm]

Wales Grey, on 29 August 2013 - 07:39 AM, said:

Sorry, but Assault mechs are "top-tier avatars" that PGI wants players to "spend ~20 hours grinding" for. Or about $40 in MC. After all, that's how World of Tanks prices its stuff, right?

Besides, what's wrong with them earning another $5mil by hyping future content and then delaying the delivery? Geeze, don't you know that I'm so hungry for a new mechwarrior game that I would literally eat #paulsideas, fresh from the ground at the dog park if it meant that I got a new game with the word "Mechwarrior" printed on it?

It's like you want this to fail because of your criticism, how dare you speak ill of the developers. Besides, this game is just in beta, I'm sure they'll patch the sale to let you do that after launch. After all, people who post on the forums are a clear minority so therefore you must be wrong!

I'm glad someone had the guts to say it. THIS GAME WILL DIE IF WE DON'T SUPPORT IT! READ THE WRITING ON THE WALL, PEOPLE! (the writing says "Buy Saber Pack")

[Chairman Meow]

I normally just read here and keep out of all the discussion, internet you know?

Bought overlord when it was released although I hardly play the game anymore just so the CW which I want this game for will show up at some point.

Now they ask for another 30€ although we still have no idea where this game is going?

I regret buying founders for being a btech junkie and I also regret buying phoenix overlord for thinking this will go anywhere.
Gonna get a refund and go all freeloader from now on and see where this game goes.

Guess I'll have to stick with Wargamings WW2 stuff instead of BTech :/

In before Clanstuff is pay2play only (hate clans, wanted this game to be 3025, just saying).

Mechs look sweet though, props on that just don't make it this obvious you are just trying to grab money from the people that still have some faith...

*super sad*

[C E Dwyer]

Mason Grimm, on 29 August 2013 - 06:40 AM, said:

PGI doesn't need to negotiate with Harmony Gold to bring the rest of the "Unseen" to MWO; HG owns the rights to the original artwork but not the mechs/loadouts/layouts/technical specifications. PGI simply needs to decide "Ok, we are gonna do this. Alex, sharpen your pencils and get to redesigning these mechs".

The problem with doing this is that, while there are no legal ramifications, the player community would be split in half; half of us be rising up in arms saying "but this isn't the officer glaug battle pod of super awesomeness of my childhood" and the other half would be like "yeah thats okay. I can live with it".

Whilst the unseen, those we have before us in these packages, are great they aren't nearly as iconic as the Archer, Warhammer, Marauder and Rifleman (which we already received in the form of the Firebrand LOL). To present these four icons of MechWarrior/Battletech, and get them wrong, could potentially have major backlash.

I applaud Russ and Bryan for treading carefully here. My Marauder is sacred and the mods and devs tease me about this constantly. I warily sit and sharpen my pitch fork and bind my torches in case the day comes that they do come out. That being said I do have a little money stashed away in the event that these mechs ever do come out.

Different flavour of taste I suppose as I would say the iconic great unseen are the, Wasp, Stinger, Phoenix Hawk, Warhammer, Wolverine, Shadowhawk, Griffin, Rifleman, and the Battlemaster, to me the others were also rans.

The tech spec's maywell be owned but if the unseen don't look like those of old, the alternative reseen designs upuntil now are somewhat laughable the II's trying to be it and not be it at the same time, to avoid lawsuits, then they will bomb which is why looking like the originals is important its why the currant are successful and that comes down to the art work, which is what caused the mess in the first place.

The locust we're getting I think is actually a better design, than the old bandai models, and less like the original than Ralpartha's second attempt, and is popular because it has to be bought to get the others, not because of what it is..

The tractor tyre shoulder pads of the later artwork Battlemasters, did come close to me saying hell to the deal, I am extremely relieved that they are far less prominent on the 'standard' designs.

That said the Maruder was a favorite of my old sparing partner, and it allways gave me great joy seeing his face across the table when my Warhammer crushed, later on it became when my Victor D.F.A'd

[Commander Kobold]

SteelPaladin, on 29 August 2013 - 07:41 AM, said:

Unfortunately, their bean counters have told them that gating things this way earns them more scratch. Judging by the number of Overlord buys I've seen, they're probably right, too. Ironic, since the tagline for F2P it that you only pay for what you actually want. Money talks, though.
EDIT: Removing double-quote.

I bought overlord because I only have 1 mech and for 80$ I get to have 12 more + some colors +some mech bays+ some premium time