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[Ryvucz]

>click<

[KovarD]

Oh! PGI locked all 3PV threads.

So I talked with my wallet:

Hello Aluisio Junior,

We have received your request for a refund. This ticket has been added to our billing queue, we will be in touch with you again soon.

Regards,

Reppu

Senior GameMaster

MechWarrior® Online™

Game unninstalled, Project Phoenix refund in progress.

I hope PGI dont mind see the community and myself on metacritic, forums, reviews talking about this game.

Edited by KovarD, 29 August 2013 - 09:21 AM.

[SteelPaladin]

DirePhoenix, on 29 August 2013 - 08:46 AM, said:

The bleeding goes both ways. And from what I can tell, HG is no longer in any shape to keep up that battle either, what with their claims against Hasbro, the Japanese government saying that HG has no right to control the Macross IP anyway, and HG's misadventures in the real estate market (yes those are the same people), and their CEO's recent sentencing of tax fraud. They will kill themselves if they try to make a claim they can't support. So I say bring it.

I doubt PGI's investors are as excited to make a fight about it. MAD isn't exactly smart business practice. The only way it'll happen is if their bean counters are sure that selling a Macross Unseen pack will make so much money that they'll still be turning a profit w/the legal costs taken out as overhead.

Of course, the current Phoenix pack is potentially a backdor pilot for that. Gauge how much they make on the less popular Unseen and use that to make an estimate on whether risking a legal fight over the Macross mechs is worth it.

Hell, I'm surprised some sneaky ******* from marketing hasn't hit on adding a "legal fund for Macross Unseen" bar to the "loyalty" bit. That'd probably spike their sales a lot more than an extra $30 pack for more Dougram mechs.

Edited by SteelPaladin, 29 August 2013 - 09:18 AM.

[Mister Blastman]

jakucha, on 29 August 2013 - 08:02 AM, said:

Are they? Unfortunately, you have no actual proof.

Failingly optimistic and pro-PGI as always, jakucha.

[pesco]

Once again, this would all be really cool

if Mechs were anything more than fancy skins for ever the same weapon loadouts.



Mechlab, your big mistake, PGI.

Edited by pesco, 29 August 2013 - 09:22 AM.

[ThermidorFallen]

SteelPaladin, on 29 August 2013 - 07:25 AM, said:

Spoiler

It's not strictly true that there are no legal ramifications. The Crusher Joe and Dougram studios never sued; removing those was a precaution. Harmony Gold did and, barring some kind of prior contract, there is nothing preventing them from suing again.

It's likely they'd lose in court (since MWO art is different enough to probably win a copyright claim even on BT-owned TRO art), but that's already damage done. In most cases, getting the losing party to pay the winner's legal costs requires a finding that the loser acted in "bad faith," which is a very high bar to reach in the American legal system unless they managed to **** off the judge. Even if PGI could get HG to foot their bill after a loss, they would have had to front that money from the beginning of the suit until they could collect, which could be a lot of money effectively flushed for a long time with the way the American legal system works.



They'd be redesigned anyway. The MWO art style and the Macross art style are incompatible to begin with. With HG's record, it's more like they say no unless you give them licensing fees they're not entitled to because the art is different, but they'll sue you anyway and tie you up in court for ages bleeding money if they don't get it.



I take it you missed the point where I stated I'm not an awesome player? I've never had a 225k match in a year of playing this game. I played 4 or 5 matches (which is all I have time for in an evening) and won 1. That's how it happened. I'm perfectly fine w/rewarding skill and I have no issue w/the pros making more than me. Unless they're saying ONLY the pros should enjoy their game, however, it would be nice if it wasn't torturous for the rest of us.

It used to be fine for someone at my level playing a few matches a night w/premium. I hardly have a full stable, but it felt like progress could be made. Now it doesn't so much, which brings me back to my initial statement. If it's going to be torture anyway, might as well be free torture.

Actually it was more of what consists of a 'night', to me that's 10+ games, not 4 or 5, but that's just semantics. Really 400K with mainly losses isn't too bad, I had 5/6 losses the other day and I don't think I hit 250K. The average seems to be a 1:1 win to loss with the current matchmaking set up so really I think you just had a bad night. With what you've said, you're on target for the average grind, with around a mean of a 100K a match. AFAIK anyway. That's about the standard about FTP games too I think, I was playing LoL for about a year (which appears to be the premier FTP game) and that felt far more grind intensive to me (though the daily bonus was nice, I wouldn't mind a happy hour C-Bill bonus, like MAG, alongside the x2 XP bonus).

[Roadbeer]

Sooo, um... yeah.

While I've been getting great LULZ out of the 3PV hyperventilation... No more money for you until I see some screen shots of what CW is going to look like... and I mean IN DEPTH screenies like you've done for UI 2.0.

And if I have to wait a few weeks before I decide to spend more money, then you'll have to wait a few weeks to find out if your going to get any more.

Anything else I have to say about PR and your LOVE of keeping features close to your vest so as to make people wonder if they're even going to be a reality has already been said.

[Jess Hazen]

[Tyr4nt]

Krellmane, on 29 August 2013 - 08:42 AM, said:

What if I told you, you don't have to purchase the package for the mechs to be available to you?

What if I told you I'd be willing to buy the Talon tier if I could pick the chassis or that I would buy the Saber Reinforcement pack by itself if I could? For me it's not that I'm not willing to spend $20 here $30 there to get the things that I actually want. It's that at minimum I'd have to spend $40 to even get one of the Phoenix variants I do want and another $30 on top of that to get this.

I would actually like the paints and other bonuses. Previously I would have bought the Storm package if I could have picked the Battlemasters chassis in place of the Locust to get the Battlemasters and Shadowhawks. That would have gotten PGI $40USD. Now my choice would probably be the Talon package if I could pick the chassis to get the Battlemasters and along with the Saber Reinforcement package for a total of $50USD. It's precisely because you can't mix and match the chassis in each package that is keeping me from spending money on Project Phoenix.

[Bilbo]

Source Control, on 29 August 2013 - 08:55 AM, said:

Anyone else think the Wolverine Mech's cockpit looks like Beeker? http://mwomercs.com/phoenix

You had to point that out? Now I can't un-see it.

[gwarm]

Kristoffer Lyons, on 28 August 2013 - 04:13 PM, said:

[Silent]

[Agentpony]

KovarD, on 29 August 2013 - 09:13 AM, said:

I hope PGI dont mind see the community and myself on metacritic, forums, reviews talking about this game.

You cant write a review without testing a release build.

You cannot sensibly contribute to metacritic (an aggregate views site) without being familiar to the developments after that.

You shouldnt judge a product by tertiary factors such as your view of its developer.

Basically, all you´re saying here is that you have an axe to grind, regardless of objectivity or truthfulness. I.E., you´re gonna spread "lies" yourself.

Anyway. The amount of unrelated accusations in this thread is mind-boggling. We´re still talking about the non-essential option to pre-buy mechs that you will be able to buy with CB anyway with a different look. There is no practical difference between offering those now, or later on as a hero mech.

Edited by Agentpony, 29 August 2013 - 10:00 AM.

[Agent 0 Fortune]

Decisions, decisions.
I've been holding off on Project Phoenix, but the Wolverine and Griffin.... well played PGI, well played.

I am curious where the Giffin lost two tons? it is supposed to have 12 heatsinks.

[Panboy]

ThermidorFallen, on 29 August 2013 - 09:29 AM, said:

Actually it was more of what consists of a 'night', to me that's 10+ games, not 4 or 5, but that's just semantics. Really 400K with mainly losses isn't too bad, I had 5/6 losses the other day and I don't think I hit 250K. The average seems to be a 1:1 win to loss with the current matchmaking set up so really I think you just had a bad night. With what you've said, you're on target for the average grind, with around a mean of a 100K a match. AFAIK anyway. That's about the standard about FTP games too I think, I was playing LoL for about a year (which appears to be the premier FTP game) and that felt far more grind intensive to me (though the daily bonus was nice, I wouldn't mind a happy hour C-Bill bonus, like MAG, alongside the x2 XP bonus).

See heres the thing. I wont play standard FTP games as i hate that grind. So i wont touch them. I was enjoying the cash levels in MWO as i thought i could progress at a reasonable speed and i didnt feel like it was a huge grind as other FTP games are.

Which to me ment the game was fun so i played longer meaning I might spend real money, but once the grind gets to bad ill just stop playing altogether. Balance issues are less likely to make a player like me stop than the game turning into a horrible grind. I Did buy phoenix before the cbill nerf. That's more than I've spent on any other FTP game. Ive played world of tanks and when i did the math on how much buying time on that game would lesson the grind I said nope and they will never see a penny.

[DocBach]

anfadern, on 29 August 2013 - 08:34 AM, said:

I would like to have been a fly on the wall in the office when the Reinforcement package was decided!

Was it like

- Hey I got this great idea, people are buying this package like crazy lets do another one at once! We''l get rich!

Or maybe

- Hey I got this great idea, we can improve the game even more lets give our customers something that we think they will value a lot. A package that will commemorate the launch of the game

What do you all think?!?!

Russ was on NGNG months ago talking about how they were working to try and get the original 55-ton trio. This is something they've been trying to put out for a while, I don't think it has anything to do with the launch date.

[SteelPaladin]

ThermidorFallen, on 29 August 2013 - 09:29 AM, said:

Actually it was more of what consists of a 'night', to me that's 10+ games, not 4 or 5, but that's just semantics. Really 400K with mainly losses isn't too bad, I had 5/6 losses the other day and I don't think I hit 250K. The average seems to be a 1:1 win to loss with the current matchmaking set up so really I think you just had a bad night. With what you've said, you're on target for the average grind, with around a mean of a 100K a match. AFAIK anyway. That's about the standard about FTP games too I think, I was playing LoL for about a year (which appears to be the premier FTP game) and that felt far more grind intensive to me (though the daily bonus was nice, I wouldn't mind a happy hour C-Bill bonus, like MAG, alongside the x2 XP bonus).

I don't really know what the average is like in those games. I don't play them. It doesn't really matter to me. My point is that I'm spending money on the game (which is supposed to be how you circumvent the grind) and it still feels like a grind when it didn't used to. That really kills the incentive to continue spending money.

That said, this has gone rather off thread topic, and I apologize for that.

[Flyby215]

Gotta be honest, the Saber Reinforcement pack annoys me... the Pheonix mechs haven't been released yet, official launch hasn't happened yet, and there's yet another mech package on the table? In my mind, this screams desperation or greed; either way, to my mind, very poor taste.

[Wired]

In response to the haters video.



Someday baby, you wont worry my life.


Anyways, back in Closed beta I argued on your behalf for calm, understanding, and for people to read your design pillars and all of your stickies when you where tweaking the costs of repairs and earnings in closed beta, when the forum erupted.

When people demanded the heads of anyone who dared group and you told them that you had proof that it wasnt actually a problem, I was right there with you.

When you caved to that vocal minority, I frowned but stuck with it.

When you dumped RnR from the game, split the queues, and added ECM creating an unbalanced clustercluck, I was dismayed but I worked through it.

When you announced consumables, I was upset yet happy with the end result, as they were not nearly as useful as first thought.

When you talked about your plans for 3pv, and how you would not implement it unless you could do it without giving anyone an unfair advantage, I was hesitant but accepted it. The seperate queues would be a death knell for this game anyways.

When you released 3pv with all of the problems we warned you against, that was it. When you derided us and called us a vocal minority and not your target demographic, That was it.

Until I am your target demographic, you are not getting my money. As for the rest of you - the vocal minority who defends PGI - keep your snark to yourself. I was just like you, and soon you will be just like me. Not the target demographic.

[Ter Ushaka]

Agentpony, on 29 August 2013 - 09:54 AM, said:

You cant write a review without testing a release build.

Barring a super secret launch day patch that changes a bunch of stuff, this is the release build.