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[CyclonerM]

This game feels no MW..
And actually THERE IS an alternative to MWO.
It is MechWarrior: Living Legends. No 3PV, Mechs, Hover,Tanks, FIghters, VTOLs and Battle Armors.
You can PM Starch1ld to get the torrent, is free and there are more and more players every day. It is harder to learn and requires more brain,but is great. Search on YT some videos.
P.S. I hope a mod will not delete this post without a reason..

Edited by CyclonerM, 01 September 2013 - 02:33 AM.

[DeadlyNerd]

Taemien, on 31 August 2013 - 06:43 PM, said:

Need an option for both. This way whatever I vote for can't be skewed.. Course it seems like the OP has a slight agenda, even admits to it. So no matter how the results come back, they'll simply frame them in the manner that correlates with their point.

Um, you can vote both, and could from the start.
Also, it's not my fault the results ended up as I expected them to end up. It's more like you're trying to disapprove a completely unbiased poll because you don't like the results.
Moreover, it looks to me as if you're living in denial and any proof that PGI is destroying the game is creating that feel of unease and you actually begin to doubt your blind devotion. It's normal that nobody likes such a feeling because it only means that they've been wrong the whole time.

And a word to your 2 sponsors : Don't upvote something that's completely pointless failed trolling.

Karl Split, on 01 September 2013 - 01:45 AM, said:

On forums it's always a minority that post the most. That does'nt generally mean the unposting players disagree with the sentiments tho. A lot of players in our unit will not even look at the forums as they think it's a troll infested cesspit of abuse, but most of those have deep reservations about several of the recent changes.

There's no proof that a major satisfied mass of players exists. There is only proof of the wronged and enraged community.
PGI is doing their changes according to some imaginary statistics and a few people from gamescon(or whatever) that left the booth the moment their feeble brains couldn't understand mech movement.

Edited by DeadlyNerd, 01 September 2013 - 03:59 AM.

[Cerlin]

I voted both because I generally love MW games. However, I have dropped a lot of money on this game because of the game MWO is becoming and I generally enjoy it.

[Taemien]

CyclonerM, on 01 September 2013 - 02:32 AM, said:

This game feels no MW..
And actually THERE IS an alternative to MWO.
It is MechWarrior: Living Legends. No 3PV, Mechs, Hover,Tanks, FIghters, VTOLs and Battle Armors.
You can PM Starch1ld to get the torrent, is free and there are more and more players every day. It is harder to learn and requires more brain,but is great. Search on YT some videos.
P.S. I hope a mod will not delete this post without a reason..

Or they could just go to the official site and download the new downloader that was put up a few days ago. Its hardly dead.

http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/

DeadlyNerd, on 01 September 2013 - 03:25 AM, said:

Um, you can vote both, and could from the start.
Also, it's not my fault the results ended up as I expected them to end up. It's more like you're trying to disapprove a completely unbiased poll because you don't like the results.
Moreover, it looks to me as if you're living in denial and any proof that PGI is destroying the game is creating that feel of unease and you actually begin to doubt your blind devotion. It's normal that nobody likes such a feeling because it only means that they've been wrong the whole time.

You assumed I even checked the results. The fact is I haven't and I based my 'assumptions' on your OP. The way you portray the poll makes it seem like you have an agenda. And these accusations of 'being in denial' just prove that fact. You've got an axe to grind and that is all there is too it.

You're a kid who hates big corporations. *golf clap* Its nothing new.

Since there's alot of opinion being thrown around and accusations with little facts. Lets change that. Lets actually review the facts. The little Sarah's Jenner promotion netted in $100,000. That means 10,000 people care enough about the game and cared enough about the charity (or wanted the Jenner, I won't judge). For a $10 light mech.. thats pretty decent.

If the game was failing as bad as these forums said it was. That couldn't have been possible.

No.. the fact is, people jump on the I-hate-corporation bandwagon. They've been doing this since at LEAST 2002ish. At least on the game forums abound. They've done it to every major game thats come out. You know I dare say that a game can be measured as successful by the amount of people hating on it in their forums.

Need proof? Look at any old game that has been past its prime. Such as Everquest. The forums are calm. But you know what? PGI knows that. See they have access to a metric called sales. If the forums are rebelling and they are still raking in cash, they are doing the right thing. Sometimes the vocal minority gets louder as it gets bigger from a larger playerbase. 10% of 100000 is smaller then 10% of 10000 after all. But the silent majority.. the ones who spend tons of money (whales as they were called in a F2P article) gets much much bigger.

So who's in denial now? The burden of proof is on you. Prove with facts that this game is dying off. That its changes are killing it. Show me the sales charts showing that people aren't spending money on it.

I'll even throw this one in there. SOE just laid off a ton of employees. Planetside 2 is in trouble because of it. Not that it will be shutdown, but they will only be seeing optimization fixes for some time to come with new features and content being delayed or cancelled. SOE is supposed to be a giant compared to PGI. Seems like PGI isn't doing too bad. Still see a big ol' yellow button below saying that their hiring.

Another fact for you to ponder. Companies don't hire when they are losing money.

[Helsbane]

I'm only here for two reasons.

1. The guys from HHoD 6th battalion have made playing even this pile of sh*t a good time. Not because it functions in any appreciable way, but because they make me laugh so hard my drink comes out my nose on occasion.

2. Elder Scolls Online hasn't dropped yet.

[Zack Esseth]

Yeah, if It wasn't for the group I'm with, I wouldn't still be playing this game. I'm definitely not putting anymore money into it. Besides, I still have MW3 and MW4 available to myself.

[DeadlyNerd]

Taemien, on 01 September 2013 - 09:20 AM, said:

You assumed I even checked the results. The fact is I haven't and I based my 'assumptions' on your OP. The way you portray the poll makes it seem like you have an agenda. And these accusations of 'being in denial' just prove that fact. You've got an axe to grind and that is all there is too it.

I call em like I see em. I assume you checked the result because everyone but you placed their vote peacefully, even explaining their choices. When after 2 pages of clean feedback a complainer appears, I can only assume it's a troll, and I'm quite right, but I'll continue replying for my own amusement.

Taemien, on 01 September 2013 - 09:20 AM, said:

You're a kid who hates big corporations. *golf clap* Its nothing new.

You know what they say. The way you name other people is the way you should be named. Keep up the immaturity then.

Taemien, on 01 September 2013 - 09:20 AM, said:

Since there's alot of opinion being thrown around and accusations with little facts. Lets change that. Lets actually review the facts. The little Sarah's Jenner promotion netted in $100,000. That means 10,000 people care enough about the game and cared enough about the charity (or wanted the Jenner, I won't judge). For a $10 light mech.. thats pretty decent.

If the game was failing as bad as these forums said it was. That couldn't have been possible.

Got a list of people that donated? Anyway, that is an emotion induced donation, the most pitiful kind(while I admire the nobility of players, I'm disgusted with the fact that PGI used their player's emotions to create a donation without using their own funds). There are no ties between that donation and the actual amount of people that support PGI or the game. It's a donation related to real life concerns.

Taemien, on 01 September 2013 - 09:20 AM, said:

No.. the fact is, people jump on the I-hate-corporation bandwagon. They've been doing this since at LEAST 2002ish. At least on the game forums abound. They've done it to every major game thats come out. You know I dare say that a game can be measured as successful by the amount of people hating on it in their forums.

Need proof? Look at any old game that has been past its prime. Such as Everquest. The forums are calm. But you know what? PGI knows that. See they have access to a metric called sales. If the forums are rebelling and they are still raking in cash, they are doing the right thing. Sometimes the vocal minority gets louder as it gets bigger from a larger playerbase. 10% of 100000 is smaller then 10% of 10000 after all. But the silent majority.. the ones who spend tons of money (whales as they were called in a F2P article) gets much much bigger.

Everquest is a deserted game that went through countless server merges. I wont even mention EQ2, EQ's stoner brother.

Taemien, on 01 September 2013 - 09:20 AM, said:

So who's in denial now? The burden of proof is on you. Prove with facts that this game is dying off. That its changes are killing it. Show me the sales charts showing that people aren't spending money on it.

According to the signatures that have been floating around for a month or 2, updates that were a waste of time and resources, almost no communication with the community(Russ himself admit to that), the fact that the game has absolutely none of the promised features(CW, clans, UI 2.0, new game modes), a feature that was broken practically right after release and should fix lag problems and breaking of promises made to founders, I'd say it's still you.

Taemien, on 01 September 2013 - 09:20 AM, said:

I'll even throw this one in there. SOE just laid off a ton of employees. Planetside 2 is in trouble because of it. Not that it will be shutdown, but they will only be seeing optimization fixes for some time to come with new features and content being delayed or cancelled. SOE is supposed to be a giant compared to PGI. Seems like PGI isn't doing too bad. Still see a big ol' yellow button below saying that their hiring.

You proved a counter argument with your argument. Giant companies can afford to lay off their employees, while small cannot because, with more employees, it's easy to replace the old ones. Not to mention that if a very old project dies, who's going to pay all those working on its upkeep?

Taemien, on 01 September 2013 - 09:20 AM, said:

Another fact for you to ponder. Companies don't hire when they are losing money.

Are you that ignorant to believe that MWO is their only project?
PGI: "Hey there! You're hired to our team!" Empl:"Awesome! Do I get to work on MWO?" PGI: "Heck no, you'll be working on some old irrelevant projects because the last guy quit."
You really have no idea how employment in IT, specifically software development, works.

Edited by DeadlyNerd, 01 September 2013 - 10:57 AM.

[C E Dwyer]

because I can play a 15 minute match and then deal with rl..

while it still has some enjoyment and it looks like Mw, if it wasn't the play time length i'd have given up months ago, out of the frustration or the lack of progress this game has

[Taemien]

DeadlyNerd, on 01 September 2013 - 10:54 AM, said:

I call em like I see em. I assume you checked the result because everyone but you placed their vote peacefully, even explaining their choices. When after 2 pages of clean feedback a complainer appears, I can only assume it's a troll, and I'm quite right, but I'll continue replying for my own amusement.

You know what they say. The way you name other people is the way you should be named. Keep up the immaturity then.

A complainer and a troll? Thats how you view criticism? Tell me why PGI shouldn't consider this poll exactly that? I did not insult you until you threw the first stone. I only criticized how you worded your post. I did not attack you personally until you did so first. Once you did that, the gloves came off.

You're free to give criticism, but be prepared to take it right back. Don't tell someone they are in denial because of a point they made. And if you read the entirety of my post you'd not that I didn't agree with every change they have, only that I found some of the ones I didn't agree with 'interesting'.

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Got a list of people that donated? Anyway, that is an emotion induced donation, the most pitiful kind(while I admire the nobility of players, I'm disgusted with the fact that PGI used their player's emotions to create a donation without using their own funds). There are no ties between that donation and the actual amount of people that support PGI or the game. It's a donation related to real life concerns.

They stated the number and I'm sure its not fabricated until proof is shown otherwise. You don't lie in the avenue's of charity. Saying one thing and then another is a good way to get the IRS (or the Canadian equivalent, or both) on your back. As well as a whole other can of worms. Pretty sure if you do a little research, you can find the list somewhere.

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Everquest is a deserted game that went through countless server merges. I wont even mention EQ2, EQ's stoner brother.

This is where your facts are wrong. There's only been one set of server merges. They've opened at least 4 new servers since then, in addition it is about to release its 20th expansion. While not even close to its 750,000 subscriber peak. Its hardly deserted. I should know, I played it over the summer.

Point I was making is that its calmed down in the forums because its not up and new.

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According to the signatures that have been floating around for a month or 2, updates that were a waste of time and resources, almost no communication with the community(Russ himself admit to that), the fact that the game has absolutely none of the promised features(CW, clans, UI 2.0, new game modes), a feature that was broken practically right after release and should fix lag problems and breaking of promises made to founders, I'd say it's still you.

I think you should read your EULA again before saying such things. You're acting like you got cheapened out of something. You knew what you got yourself into when you got into the game. Or at least you said you did. Many games take directions different then what they started out in. When they take a direction you don't like, you make feedback on it and let it go at that. If it still goes in that direction, you find another game to play.

I've done that with many games. I'll use EQ as an example. I didn't like how it was going in 2004, so I left it to go play something else. Over the years they changed to something else and I decided to give it a shot again (going F2P didn't hurt either).

But instead of that, the popular thing for people to do is try to justify their reasons by getting everyone else riled up. Can't you just post in the feed back section and go your merry way?

Again all that matters is the sales metric. If they lose half their playerbase but sales keep increasing, do you think they are going to try to keep the freebies? Its a bad economy, and PGI knows it. And they know they can't milk the turnips. As long as they can keep the people who are spending money, spending money, they can pay the rent and buy food for their own families.

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You proved a counter argument with your argument. Giant companies can afford to lay off their employees, while small cannot because, with more employees, it's easy to replace the old ones. Not to mention that if a very old project dies, who's going to pay all those working on its upkeep?

Did you read why SOE laid off the employees? They diverted resources from Planetside 2 to Everquest Next. When PGI does the same to MWO as SOE did to PS2, then you might be right.

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Are you that ignorant to believe that MWO is their only project?
PGI: "Hey there! You're hired to our team!" Empl:"Awesome! Do I get to work on MWO?" PGI: "Heck no, you'll be working on some old irrelevant projects because the last guy quit."
You really have no idea how employment in IT, specifically software development, works.

They stated in one of the QnA's or Command Chair posts that they added people to the MWO project. They had around 12 at first and are now up to 40. They've nearly quadrupled their team for MWO.

Dude, I have no stakes with PGI. I don't understand why you think I would defend them to the bitter end. I actually don't care if they succeed or fail. In fact if they are going to fail, I hope they do so and bankrupt the project before December to get it over with. This isn't to say I WANT them to. I'd like to see MWO succeed. But I'm not blind to reality. MWO isn't my dream MW MMO. That would be akin to something like MWLL meets Eve and PS2. So if MWO is successful, great, it keeps the franchis fresh and alive. If not, then it goes dead until someone else picks it up, then I get another shot.

But the point here is that I'm not following the company blindly. But I know BS when I see it. And I'm seeing the same things I've seen in other games. Attacks against the company that makes the game. Claims that they are sticking the players and being greedy. Claims that they are breaking promises. Claims that they are incompetent and don't know what they are doing. So called rebellions on the forums. All of that has happened across every successful MMO thusfar. So none of that in my opinion is a signal that the game is bad.

[Boymonkey]

Iam playing this game because it is amazing....love it to bits
{Scrap} poll btw, just reads like a cry baby thread....give people the option to vote properly in the future

Edited by Boymonkey, 02 September 2013 - 12:30 AM.

[Karpundir]

I play MWO because I like the gameplay... I love me some giant stompy robots. The IP could have been anything: BT/MW, Gundam Wing, Transformers, Voltron, or even a Pacific Rim game with the ever-so-similar Jaegers.
I like it because I love PvP and the unpredictability that human opponents offer that AI or PvE can't give you. The game requires skill AND strategy, which separates the wheat from the chaff.
I like the graphics, bugs aside. Like the sound effects. Like the mech designs for the most part.

I like that the game continues to evolve... So what if it isn't at lightning speed, it is still technically a beta. If you jumped into this game on Sept. 17th, then I bet anyone would be very impressed with the game, given it can be almost fully enjoyed as a F2P game. Sure you will need to spend some money to expand mech bays, customize your mech beyond a handful of colours or get a hero mech/special pkg. Yes, it has a steep learning curve and a bit of a grind, but the grind is not nearly as bad as most MMORPGs. Bigger/good mechs shouldn't be so easy to acquire, anyway.

What is true of almost every F2P game is that you get out of it as much as you are willing to spend on it, whether it be time or money. If YOU aren't satisfied, don't play anymore and don't spend any money. Nobody is forcing you to play MWO, so why should PGI have to endure such negativity for their efforts? They chose to build THIS game above so many other options out there, because they love MW and wanted to bring it back online as an ever-evolving game, not a standalone product. You know the developers' intended plans, so if you don't like it, just move on. If you don't like their timetable, then come back later. Some of my fellow mates are hardcore for MWO, but are getting impatient. Do they ***** about it? No. They take a break for more features and come back to this game when they like what they see. We all know things are being added over time. Patience is a virtue.

I played MPBT:3025 back in 2000-2001 when the game was in open beta then got canned after changing hands, and to a big company, might I add. It had an even simpler gameplay than MWO: 1 Assault game mode (4vs4), 4 or 5 static maps and no tactical map features or voice comms... Just in-game chat. It did have a basic inner sphere CW where you battled for a house to capture/hold a territory through win/loss tracking of aggregate matches. That game was a ton of fun and I lamented the loss of that game and rejoiced when I learned about MWO. This one is just as fun, too, even without the CW, so I know it will get better in the future. This is what has kept me coming back for more after 14 months of beta and without EVER taking a break from MWO. The lack of CW is being filled in by player run leagues for now. If you feel like there is no "goal", then I suggest you look into these leagues for your purpose to play.

Finally, please quit your whining about the game and QQ already! It will make these forums a better read for those of us who are still enjoying themselves.

[Storyteller]

I love to play MWO because in 12 player premade groups it's very tactical and for me it's very close the the battles, described in the BT novels. The mechwarrios in the novels could aim for certain parts of the mechs and the battles were described as intense as they are in MWO.

I am a BT fan for over 20 years now, our chapter was founded in 1993. I own a respectable BT collection and played all the MW games before on PC. And MWO is in my opinion very close to what I allways felt piloting a battlemech would be. Nor MW4, nor MW3 were that close IMO.

Just my two cents.
Storyteller

[Stormwolf]

I quit playing because I find that the game is no longer enjoyable for me.
It's made worse by the fact that PGI isn't listening to any input from the players.

Anyway, I originally came here for a MW game that would give us best experience in the BT universe so far. But now it's slowly turning into mechassault.

[Ensaine]

I chose 'I don't know anymore'. I really don't. Of course, I'm here for Mechwarrior.

This, what we have now, is a cash grab with a thin veneer of pseudo-Mechwarrior brushed over it.

And this is supposed to launch in 15 days.

Best case scenario, for Mechwarrior, not MWO, is a quick death of MWO, and someone picks up, or takes lead, in a REAL MW project, or expands on say MW:LL ..........

Yeah, I'm here for MW. I get just under enough MW to keep me around, plus I brought about 6 friends into MWO, whom I won't abandon. Now, I just slag through matches, waiting for LaunchPocalypse.

[Belorion]

In the end does it really make a difference? I played MW4 because it was MW more than for MWO. MWO imo is a much better game than MW4.

Yet, the IP is the IP. MWO has to be both a fun game and a MW game. Divorce it from MW and it will meld into all of the other non-MW games which would mean I would stop playing it. I want a MW game, and MWO has done a pretty good job of delivering that. A much better job than MW4 did...

[Deathmetal]

Because its Battletech related.

I started playing Battletech Tabletop about 25 Years ago, i played The Crescent Hawks Revenge on my C64 and so on.

I hoped that MW5 would have a single Player Campain etc. but MWO is still better than nothing.

(I still like single Player Campains more because there is just one I.diot in front of the screen i can blame on )

[Gremlich Johns]

Farix, on 31 August 2013 - 01:31 PM, said:

Just to correct something here. PGI didn't not close down MW:LL. MW:LL closed themselves down because there was an official MechWarrior game on the market.

You are a little incorrect, while they did volunteer to shut down the project, they were going to be given a cease and desist order to stop any further development on MW:LL if they didn't, because there was someone who licensed the IP - PGI. PGI was complicit, despite Russ's statements to the contrary.

And MW:O was not on the market at the time (nothing that worked other than videos), but it was going to be the official MW product.

[Belorion]

Gremlich Johns, on 02 September 2013 - 06:44 AM, said:

You are a little incorrect, while they did volunteer to shut down the project, they were going to be given a cease and desist order to stop any further development on MW:LL if they didn't, because there was someone who licensed the IP - PGI. PGI was complicit, despite Russ's statements to the contrary.

And MW:O was not on the market at the time (nothing that worked other than videos), but it was going to be the official MW product.

Proof? I doubt seriously they were going to be given anything remotely like a cease and desist letter. What exactly do you mean by there was nothing but videos from PGI? They didnt shut down till well after MWO development had started.

Seriously, where do people get some of the things they post.

[B0oN]

I play MW:O only very, very rarely now, mainly due to the fact there has been nothing new in the gameplay section for a year now and I really don´t like being lied straight to my face and then made fun about.

My Mech-desires have burned down to a few little glowing embers and cold ashes, but when it´s stoked anew for reason unknown I´ll just go elsewhere (read: MW:LL).

Other than that I do much dakka-ing in Firefall, trade the ever-livig **** out of everything in X3TC or race my head off in GTR2/Racing Room Racing Experience.

[Boymonkey]

Look OP I play this game because I really enjoy it, I played tabletop and every other mech game going and I think this is my fave.
Your poll is biased because you do not give any options to just say "I play because it is awesome" you just give options that are not to do with the question.
Yeah we get it you don't like the game or the way it is going but I and others do, Iam willing to give them lots of time perfecting the game and I can not wait for launch.
Monkey see monkey do? I typed my reply directly after reading your stupid bias poll.
Don't like it? uninstall already eh? move on and quit crying.