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[AlexEss]

Riptor, on 09 September 2013 - 08:46 AM, said:

And who do you think is responsible for MW:ll not being in development anymore?

The modders wanted to continue but where "asked" to stop.

Now i give you three tries as to what would have happened if the modders just had continued development.

Heres a hint: it has to do with lawyers suing the pants off of them.

As you can see in my quote i am very much aware of how the land lay.. That is why i said MW:O at least have a legal way to develop.. MW:LL does not, that is what happens when you can not fork out to get the license. . (not that they could have afforded the cry-engine any way.) But iirc the community for MW:LL was pretty much dead any way. At least it seemed that way each time i stopped by

I am not saying MW:O if perfect or that PGI can do no wrong. But i know enough about project management to see how things are connected. So i am not to worried.

[Sybreed]

Belphegore, on 09 September 2013 - 09:36 AM, said:

We didn't, it's already been proven that no human can travel through the Van Allen radiation belt even with our current technology.

What is this Van Halen radiation thingy you speak of?

[slide]

So PGI are going to take away the "it's BETA" shield at launch.

This means that PGI have found a way to NERF the "white knights" on these forums.

Way to go PGI, take away the one group of people actually trying to defend you.

[Mawai]

Darwins Dog, on 05 September 2013 - 03:52 AM, said:

I still don't feel lied to or betrayed, and I still love what's out there, but I can't help but wonder: What's the point of launching?

The point of launching is that they announced it ... with unrealistic scheduling for the features they wanted to have in game for launch ... so none of those features make it. No UI2.0, no lobbies, no CW in any form, no new match formats. PGI is a small team. With all the art and development assets that will be required to bring out new maps, new mechs, and project phoenix... I am concerned that they will be able to bring out the features that are necessary to keep the game alive. Mechs and maps only go so far ... the game needs significant infrastructure and metagame enhancements for it to be successful in the long term ... and I just don't know how long these dedicated fans will wait.

PGI has a window of opportunity to make the most of the mechwarrior franchise both from a fan and a financial point of view ... the two go together ... so hopefully we will see these features before the fans lose interest and move on to other online activities.

[anubis969]

Sybreed, on 09 September 2013 - 01:16 PM, said:

What is this Van Halen radiation thingy you speak of?

In simple terms the Van Allen radiation belt is at least one of two layers of radiation surrounding the Earth. The belts pose a danger to any craft which spends a significant time in them.

Conspiracists believe that this proves the moon landings could not have taken place. However despite Belphegore's claim to the contrary, we have in fact had more than adequate shielding to protect craft travelling through the belts before the space race even began. This is because many of our satellites spend a large amount of time in the belts and therefore needed to be shielded to protect their sensitive equipment. On top of this the time the astronauts spent in the belts wasn't significant enough to do any real harm because the flight path used only skimmed the edge of the belt.

Very basic maths shows that even without shielding on the craft the astronauts would have only been exposed to around 11 Rads while travelling through the belts. It takes at least 300 RADs in one hour to be lethal. So a bit of a difference. In fact according to the astronauts radiation dosimeters their total dosage for the entire trip was no more than 2 RADs.

Or to put it another way, if Belphegore's claim was true, and we don't have the technology to travel through the Van Allen radiation belt even with modern technology then the International Space Station is also a lie because the ISS travels through the inner belt during its orbit.

Edit: To make a couple of things a bit more clearer.

Edited by anubis969, 09 September 2013 - 07:36 PM.

[Sug]

Belphegore, on 09 September 2013 - 09:36 AM, said:

We didn't, it's already been proven that no human can travel through the Van Allen radiation belt even with our current technology.

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Sybreed, on 09 September 2013 - 01:16 PM, said:

What is this Van Halen radiation thingy you speak of?

It's a feature that will be released in six stages over the next year. Stage one will be released with MWO's launch and will consist of a hastily written memo that was rumored to have been passed to Bryan during a meeting.

Edited by Sug, 09 September 2013 - 07:13 PM.

[Hawk819]

When the UI is finished then it'll get released to us all. I love what they come up with so far but get the damn bugs/kinks/wrinkles out before it's release. Things like these are part of the processes in making a good game. Do you want a god system? Or do you want one that is going to crash and discoe each time you play?

For me, I think I'd rather wait till they have all the bugs worked out! Patience is a virtue.

[Haniwa]

well im one of the 50% founders that log in at least once a month. Just to see its getting worse and stop playing until the next patch
Im sooo glad they didnt make a second MC-Sale when I was still playing.

Buisness wise, theyre doing a great job with little effort. In fact they made the perfect cash-cow with a great money-grabbing strategy. Now they changed the game to rip off another gamer-faction. Console port seems likely.

But probably launch will be the stop of development and starting the sell out. Theyre going to release the already finished phoenix mechs for the next few months and thats it. Maybe they finish UI.2, but I dont expect more.

Edited by Haniwa, 09 September 2013 - 08:00 PM.

[Nauht]

Riptor, on 09 September 2013 - 08:46 AM, said:

And who do you think is responsible for MW:ll not being in development anymore?

The modders wanted to continue but where "asked" to stop.

Now i give you three tries as to what would have happened if the modders just had continued development.

Heres a hint: it has to do with lawyers suing the pants off of them.

I'm disillusioned with PGI as the next guy but this is flat put wrong.

PGI and the MWLL team have stated it had nothing to do with legal threats or any request for them to stop.

http://www.mechlivin...the-founders-3/

Get your facts right.

[Wolfways]

Nauht, on 09 September 2013 - 08:21 PM, said:

I'm disillusioned with PGI as the next guy but this is flat put wrong.

PGI and the MWLL team have stated it had nothing to do with legal threats or any request for them to stop.

http://www.mechlivin...the-founders-3/

Get your facts right.

You're right. There was no official C&D.
Read that any way you like....

[Nauht]

Wolfways, on 09 September 2013 - 09:39 PM, said:

You're right. There was no official C&D.
Read that any way you like....

As opposed to wild speculation and conspiracy theories?

It's out of the horse's mouth. There would no reason for them to simply say exactly that if they were legally threatened. You cannot get sued for speaking the truth.

But yeah it's better for you to think what you like rather than facts. Hey, if it makes you feel any better who am I to stop you.

[Accursed Richards]

NamesAreStupid, on 05 September 2013 - 10:29 AM, said:

Found an interesting quote:
"Yes, there are many. The biggest conspiracy theory is that Community Warfare is not actually real, and that PGI created a Beta of a game just so they can collect Founder's money and dissolve the project. I have chatted with individuals who said they they would respect PGI much more than they currently do if PGI would come forward and admit that Community Warfare was a lie. Yes, they said that they would "respect PGI more" because they actually subscribed to this conspiracy. This was a fairly well-circulated conspiracy here on the forums, and little-to-none of its proponents are willing to apologize or back-down from their stance. They currently cite the lack of UI 2.0 as "evidence" that PGI is doing nothing to progress the game.

Well, I think CW is at least in development, but it's not actually hard to see where the idea that it's vapourware comes from. Where are the previews? The teasers to get the fans drooling over what they'll be able to do? The emails to cancelled accounts saying "Hey, look what's coming to the game, want to give it another try?".

If you keep your big new feature under a shroud of secrecy rather than getting the player base pumped about it, then unsurprisingly, people will start to wonder why, and then start to wonder if the Emperor actually has any clothes on. If you have a cool new feature coming up, you advertise it. It's not rocket science.

(edit) Holy quad post! What's happening with the forums?

Edited by Accursed Richards, 10 September 2013 - 12:48 AM.

[Edustaja]

Accursed Richards, on 10 September 2013 - 12:43 AM, said:

Well, I think CW is at least in development, but it's not actually hard to see where the idea that it's vapourware comes from. Where are the previews? The teasers to get the fans drooling over what they'll be able to do? The emails to cancelled accounts saying "Hey, look what's coming to the game, want to give it another try?".

If you keep your big new feature under a shroud of secrecy rather than getting the player base pumped about it, then unsurprisingly, people will start to wonder why, and then start to wonder if the Emperor actually has any clothes on. If you have a cool new feature coming up, you advertise it. It's not rocket science.

(edit) Holy quad post! What's happening with the forums?

Yeah pretty much this. Given that CW was promised first shortly after launch, then Q1/Q2 2013 and finally rolling out during the summer of 2013, it's been quite an elusive item...

[Ricktor Black]

Appogee, on 05 September 2013 - 03:23 AM, said:

Thanks for posting. Unfortunately, there's not much good news in there, and a lot of bad news...

* No UI 2.0 at launch?!
* No lobby system - even in UI 2.0?!!!
* Not even a teensy bit of CW at launch?!

What do these guys do all day?!

It's further disturbing to learn that most founders no longer player (lowering the bar to ''once per month'' is not fooling anyone).

At the risk of being cynical, whenever PGI says ''eventually'' or ''under consideration'' I now hear ''never''.

You people crack me up. Sure, since PGI doesn't fly out to your house to give you a back rub and solve your personal problems, they are obviously just bumming around all day sipping coffee and playing Candy Crush. In a way, I envy people like you. It must be fun to exist in such a simple universe where opinions and decisions are made with so little thought.

[Wolfways]

Nauht, on 09 September 2013 - 10:40 PM, said:

As opposed to wild speculation and conspiracy theories?

It's out of the horse's mouth. There would no reason for them to simply say exactly that if they were legally threatened. You cannot get sued for speaking the truth.

But yeah it's better for you to think what you like rather than facts. Hey, if it makes you feel any better who am I to stop you.

And you can believe what you like because you think you know the facts, but i'm not going to discuss this further as i don't want to put people's jobs at risk.

[RG Notch]

Wolfways, on 10 September 2013 - 07:28 AM, said:

And you can believe what you like because you think you know the facts, but i'm not going to discuss this further as i don't want to put people's jobs at risk.

OOOh hints of inside info, classic conspiracy, I know but I can't tell you because my "source" would be in danger. Well my inside source says you're wrong. Woot! This is fun. I'd say more but you know jobs and all.

[Sug]

RG Notch, on 10 September 2013 - 07:53 AM, said:

OOOh hints of inside info, classic conspiracy, I know but I can't tell you because my "source" would be in danger. Well my inside source says you're wrong. Woot! This is fun. I'd say more but you know jobs and all.

http://en.wikipedia....osure_agreement

Not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone. Just sayin' .

[Fais]

NamesAreStupid, on 05 September 2013 - 03:20 AM, said:

No UI 2.0? No CW? No DX11? What exactly are they launching.

This, so disapointed.

[RG Notch]

Sug, on 10 September 2013 - 08:08 AM, said:

http://en.wikipedia....osure_agreement

Not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone. Just sayin' .

Yup that's the excuse I'm using for not revealing my "inside source"....

[tucsonspeed6]

carl kerensky, on 05 September 2013 - 05:11 AM, said:

Also why in blazes can't PGI communicate these things here? Why does it have to second hand news? The core audience is the canary? Wtf The core audience is the foundation of this game !! You lost almost half of your founders? These people paid money because they believed in what you were doing. They saw the vision and potential. That has to tell you something. Like PGI needs to change the way they operate. Seriously.
Wow unbelievable.
Ck

You wonder why they don't post here and then one line later take the canary quote out of context to make them look bad.

I understand that there are legitimate concerns about the state of the game. Honestly my take is that they are in fact in over their heads, but I don't see that changing the final product in any way other than the delivery date. When they said that CW would come out this summer they didn't foresee many of the technical hurdles that were in the way. That's no reason to take it personally.

More disturbing, however, is the state of these forums. This place is a toxic waste dump of negativity. It's depressing to see grown men acting like irrational teenagers. At a certain point it stops being a reaction to any news from PGI but rather the whole situation reverses to where you know the reaction first ( outrage ) but are simply looking for the trigger. Brian could have used the metaphor of a litmus test, and you or someone else would have gotten bent out of shape over fantasies of being dunked in acid.

And here is my plea to all of those toxic elements here and to no one individual in particular:

Be adults for crying out loud. I know a lot of the players here are adult men with wives and kids, yet I can't imagine any man's children looking up to him if they were to see these public tantrums of "But...they LIED!" Or "I'm not giving them a penny until I get my way!" Have some dignity for Gods sake. It's embarrassing. A man this passionate about something should be able to keep his composure, or at the very worst be able to wash his hands of the game completely and walk away silently. Pick one. The hand wringing and melodrama is pathetic.