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[Farix]

Wil McCullough, on 08 November 2013 - 11:04 PM, said:

so in a nutshell, you're saying pgi intentionally included a "reset button" in the game. so players have the right to rush to press it simply by virtue that it exists and they fine it fun, even if it's to the detriment of everyone else.

It's not a "reset button", it is a winning condition created by PGI. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it invalid.

Wil McCullough, on 08 November 2013 - 11:04 PM, said:

there is nothing to 'out-think' simply because no one is interested in fighting with you to press said reset button. majority of the players are playing a game called "mechwarrior" because they want to fight and blow things up.

You seem to have a thing against people using tactics to win a match, because you want them to mindlessly rush to the center

Wil McCullough, on 08 November 2013 - 11:04 PM, said:

as i said before, at present, cap rushing rewards nothing to everyone else in the game with you.

Which is irrelevant to some players. You need to accept that instead of constantly bitching about it.

Wil McCullough, on 08 November 2013 - 11:04 PM, said:

i suggested awarding higher cbills and xp across the winning team so at least 12 players walk away with something. you get your fun pressing the shiny reset button, your team gets cbills and xp without doing anything. win-win.

how is that not a compromise? it's not like i'm taking your capping away from you. i'm rewarding your team more for it. i have no idea why you think i'm like trying to take away your favorite soft toy.

You haven't made that compromise at all, until I and others suggested it. But end the end, whether PGI adds rewards to capture victories or not does not make the victory condition any less valid.

Wil McCullough, on 08 November 2013 - 11:04 PM, said:

you're insisting everything is working as intended, nothing should change, the qq-ers can either go slit or shut up.

that's what refusing to budge is.

Yes, everything IS working as PGI intended. If it wasn't, PGI would have made radical changes by now or replaced the mode with something else. That's not to say that things are prefect. But those QQing about capture victories, like yours, want the condition removed completely. They don't want the "defending" team to have a better chance at defend against a capture because they don't want to defend in the first place.

Edited by Farix, 09 November 2013 - 04:53 AM.

[Jon Gotham]

Wil McCullough, on 08 November 2013 - 11:04 PM, said:

yet more aggressive insults-still not moderated

And I say again, rather than being abusive (which has been your whole tone and approach so far) and changing your tack halfway through the thread, because you have given the impression contra to what you said recently so far-that's why people are jumping on you so harshly. You have even had a mod challenge you on your behaviour-that should be illustrative. You have an intent behind the words you use which is quite ugly. So either get a lot more polite or just stop it.
You could go to the thread I created and add your points to that thread in a polite, non abusive fashion-but instead, you continue to argue and push aggressive abuse at people.

"[i'm against capping when there's nothing to gain from it."

Was your statement. You could have stopped there. You have constantly abused people every time they have responded to you. You have used language and statements that blur this original statement from comprehension. Your points are valid, but are troublesome to correct for PGI. If they up the rewards there will simply be more cap rushing and more cap haters will whine. If they put in a timer before cap, the team could get mashed (ELO/weight mis match) so fast the cap timer hasn't even run down and few survivors CAN'T then realistically try to cap.
If you are against it when there is no reward, then reversing that will break the gameplay for others.
So you have been abusive, aggressive and bullying to argue a point that is mute from the offset? YOU and the language you have used and the attitude behind it are what has made you a target.
Not others stupidity or lack of reading skills-which you so often like to point out.

So I will repeat, I invite you cordially to visit my thread and voice your points politely so that PGI can see them, devoid of this aggression.

If you continue to argue after this, the point has been made.


*EDIT* you visited and continued the attack...yet again.

Edited by kamiko kross, 09 November 2013 - 08:47 AM.

[Wil McCullough]

Farix, on 09 November 2013 - 03:49 AM, said:

It's not a "reset button", it is a winning condition created by PGI. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it invalid.

oh look, deja vu. i guess after saying again and again that i think capping is a valid win criteria, people like yourself still insist on claiming i'm saying the complete opposite because, you know. stupid.

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You seem to have a thing against people using tactics to win a match, because you want them to mindlessly rush to the center

oh look, deja vu again. as usual. i've been saying again and again that i think cappng is a valid tactic, just that pgi has nerfed the rewards until practically nothing. winning by capping in the current environment is the same as pressing a reset button. it's as if the last 5 minutes never happened.

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Which is irrelevant to some players. You need to accept that instead of constantly bitching about it.

but it is also relevant to most players. for someone preaching acceptance instead of bitching, you're doing heck of a lot of it yourself.

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You haven't made that compromise at all, until I and others suggested it.

really? in which part of this thread did you get this little snapple fact? here's a hint: no one else suggested anything. why would they when they share the same blunted view as yourself? "luls just l2p and def base nub. QQ"

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But end the end, whether PGI adds rewards to capture victories or not does not make the victory condition any less valid.

see top of post.

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Yes, everything IS working as PGI intended. If it wasn't, PGI would have made radical changes by now or replaced the mode with something else.

going by your logic, ghost heat is working as intended as well. mechs with 2 ac2s are meant to overheat due to a 'feature' meant to prevent laser boating.

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But those QQing about capture victories, like yours, want the condition removed completely. They don't want the "defending" team to have a better chance at defend against a capture because they don't want to defend in the first place.

once again, see top of post.

either you think i'm someone else, you're incapable of comprehending more than half the things you read, or you're deliberately insisting on employing straw man arguments.

kamiko kross, on 09 November 2013 - 06:24 AM, said:

And I say again, rather than being abusive

apologies for the tone. i'm sick and tired of people putting words in my mouth because their IQ is below room temperature.

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and changing your tack halfway through the thread, because you have given the impression contra to what you said recently so far

i have? my argument has always been:

1. cap rushing is insanely simple to pull off.
2. it can be countered but only with some coordination and effort which is way more than what it takes to initiate and pull off a cap rush win.
3. it has an inordinately high success rate compared to how easily it takes to do because of 1. and 2.
4. it doesn't gain either team anything because it is a flat 75xp "reward".
5. which makes it puzzling to me why so many players, both old and new alike are expounding its virtues, cos you know, win.

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You have an intent behind the words you use which is quite ugly.

of course. when people try to put words in my mouth, i tend to prefer saying something about it rather than smile and blush.

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You could have stopped there. You have constantly abused people every time they have responded to you.

err, i suggest you read back and see who started the abuse.

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If you are against it when there is no reward, then reversing that will break the gameplay for others. So you have been abusive, aggressive and bullying to argue a point that is mute from the offset?

how does it break anything? capping is so prevalent now that everyone knows about it. it's not as if MORE PEOPLE will try it in-game. it's practically being attempted every game.

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YOU and the language you have used and the attitude behind it are what has made you a target. Not others stupidity or lack of reading skills-which you so often like to point out.

if certain people refuse to understand what i'm saying because of how i'm saying it, what does that say about their intelligence or reading skills?

Edited by Wil McCullough, 09 November 2013 - 07:16 AM.

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As we have recieved several reports about this thread, since it has been moved to Kaetetôã, I'd like to remind everyone that the rules in this forum section are a little bit more relaxed then everywhere on the website or in the game.

This thread has a clear warning about Kaetetôã for all of you.

Edited by Egomane, 09 November 2013 - 07:45 AM.

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Edited by DavidHurricane, 09 November 2013 - 04:54 PM.

[Blue Footed Booby]

Wil McCullough, on 08 November 2013 - 09:37 AM, said:

that was exactly the kind of circular illogical argument that was used time and time again in this thread.

"it's in the game. so it's intended. if it wasn't intended, it wouldn't be in the game".

i was pointing out how stupid it was.

I possess, through the simple expedient of being a human being capable of both empathy and inference, some limited ability to infer from context which aspects of the game are the result of design and which are oversights or outright bugs. This enables me to estimate, however crudely, that a mechanic that is explicitly referenced throughout the UI; which is directly rewarded rather than punished; which has received multiple changes via patch without changing or limiting the core mechanic; and which has been explicitly discussed by the game's developers without any mention of cap rushing being unexpected or undesired is probably not an accident.

I can also infer, again using the combined magic of humanity and context, that none of the people you are responding to really meant that being in the game definitively proves that a mechanic or behavior is intended. After all this would mean that crashing to mechlab was an intended feature.

Edited by Blue Footed Booby, 14 November 2013 - 04:58 PM.

[King Arthur IV]

wtf is wrong with this thread?? who in their right mind it reporting a ktown thread?

tbh i haven't read it all but wtf anyway. how offensive can it get?

someone link me the offensive material in here please.

[Heffay]

King Arthur IV, on 14 November 2013 - 10:40 PM, said:

someone link me the offensive material in here please.

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"STOP CAPPING, NOOB!"

You'll find it in the title.

[King Arthur IV]

Heffay, on 15 November 2013 - 05:04 AM, said:

You'll find it in the title.

90% of mwo forum will be deleted if we put in a bot to shut post with those 3 words.

[Heffay]

King Arthur IV, on 15 November 2013 - 05:49 AM, said:

90% of mwo forum will be deleted if we put in a bot to shut post with those 3 words.

And the forum would be a much better place as a result.

[990Dreams]

So now n o o b is a bad word? Or is it bad to tell people to stop using an over-rated down right cowardly tactic?

Edited by DavidHurricane, 17 November 2013 - 02:47 PM.

[Jon Gotham]

DavidHurricane, on 17 November 2013 - 02:46 PM, said:

So now n o o b is a bad word? Or is it bad to tell people to stop using an over-rated down right cowardly tactic?

I think that bot should look for poor uses of the word "cowardly."
You'd be stuffed matey:P

[Heffay]

Cowardly winners... ehhehehehee...

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Now eat cake.