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#1261 merz

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 01:10 PM

View PostChronojam, on 18 September 2013 - 01:06 PM, said:

What's your least favorite movie? And why do you feel qualified to criticize that movie's faults when you have never once directed a feature film yourself?


fallacy of logic. that you are entitled to review film does not entitle you to direct films by proxy. take a look at 'community driven' films like snakes on a plane, that ultimately tanked at the box office. as someone who listens to music, watches film or utilises some sort of a product you are certainly entitled to opinion and even to having that opinion heard, published, etc.. and this is where your whole proposition unravels. normally someone dissatisfied with a product will either abandon it in favour of somebody else's product or endeavour to create their own. you've certainly indicated an absolute lack of faith in PGI to be able to do well by their product, which you have stated, literally thousands of times, that you do not enjoy. However, you are still here. Admonishing PGI and the product. on a daily basis. With a crew of the same exact people doing the same exact thing. While you are entitled to have opinions and certainly entitled to playing a game (hey, its FTP), you are absolutely not entitled to develop it, bully the developer into your demands or bully other people who disagree with you.

but its not like you didn't know this already. see, this is what bothers me. your arguments carry no sincerity or conviction. they're hollow tools of mass agitation lacking in personal touch. is anders writing this {Scrap} for you?

Edited by merz, 18 September 2013 - 01:17 PM.


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Posted 18 September 2013 - 01:14 PM

View PostDr B00t, on 18 September 2013 - 12:56 PM, said:

i would shut up and do my job and not make excuses or lies...or quit...
Liar.

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i dont feel sorry for PGI...they **** in the bed and now they get to lie in it
I don't feel sorry for PGI, either. I'm simply saying that my enthusiasm, regardless of the amount of money that had been coming in to make the game, would be seriously dampened if I had to listen to all the vitriolic garbage as you and your cronies seeking to destroy this universe I love are spewing from your useless little minds.

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i hope that analogy wasn't as vague or ambiguous as yours
My analogy wasn't ambiguous at all. You wouldn't put up with the BS that you're spewing out regardless of the job you had. NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE remains in a job like that. Which is why there's a 63% turnover rate at call center jobs, monthly, and something like 55-60% at fast food, weekly. You're not fooling me, I know better.

However, you would rather act poorly and salve your ego while cursing the fantastic work of others, which you aren't able to do, I would venture a guess, because you don't have (tantrum)EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANTED WHEN YOU WANTED IT!(/tantrum). Guess what, I want CW, as well, perhaps more than you do, but I'm willing to wait, now, for three reasons...

1) NGNG Podcast 88, all three parts, laid it out. Bryan took three hours of his valuable time to explain everything to us, and he didn't use vague terminology, though he also didn't get into the grapevine of difficulties this game has proceeded through, either.

2) I can't build this game. It was hard enough for me to learn HTML and the very meager amount of PHP I've had to learn to build my web site, and Excel so I could figure out how to use a spreadsheet. Now, a LOT of PGIs people might be school-trained, but I'll guarantee you they've had to learn a {Scrap}-ton of tips and tricks -very few of which that will have come easy or in short-order-, just like I had to for the tiny knowledge I do have for the things I just mentioned, and EVERYTHING they're doing is a LOT harder. Not to mention all of the balancing issues they've had to go through, so many iterations that I can't possibly imagine, for whiny babies, so they could have the most balanced game possible. I've even whined about the hard points on Catapults being incorrect, but I gave it up when I did some research on all of the 'Mechs and found out the hard points -which I still dislike and feel are wholly unnecessary- are actually fairly well-balanced, and I can see the hard decisions, now, that they would have to have made.

3) When I started into Closed Beta in late 2011/early 2012 -I don't remember exactly when they let me in- there were a LOT of problems with the game, ALL of which have been solved, and new problems introduced, to be worked through, due to the introduction of new 'Mechs, maps, a game mode, the completion of the Information Warfare pillar, re-balanced and programmed movement, etc. You people complain that nothing's being done, but this game is far more perfect than it was at the introduction of Closed Beta, and new features, maps, 'Mechs, etc., are being introduced all the time, whether you see them or not.

God, I would love to see the logged man-hours and things accomplished since October 31st 2011. It would have to be reams of paper upon reams of paper, a series of posts so long it would double the current post-count total on these forums. But, nothing is going to shut you people up, or make you understand that CW, UI 2.0, etc., have been pushed back, most likely maddeningly so for the developers, so many times that it must feel like a lost cause to them, by now.

I don't feel sorry for PGI... they took this on themselves. However, your vitriol, disgust, and haranguing is not going to help ANYTHING toward moving this game along and, once they do have everything finished to at least the satisfaction of some of us -none of us will see the perfect game we have in mind, period-, your villainy here will cost the game its overall life.

So, get in, sit down, strap in, and shut up... we're going places, unless you ignorant folks who want to continue grousing about something you have NO control over, want to kill the game. At this point, though PGIs money management might come into question and they could kill their own game that way, the only way this game is going to die is if YOU, and everyone else who wants to complain rather than making this community better, wants to continue driving the stake deeper into the heart of this game.

PGI is not responsible for building this community, nor is IGP. YOU are, and I am, and all of us are... do we want to bring people in and try to be positive, and let PGI build OUR game for us, or do we want to kill it prematurely. You get what you get when you get, and the longer you ***** and complain about what you're not seeing -and, believe you me, I want to see it all, too, now-, the longer it's going to take to get it to you.

Capische?

I'm out.

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 01:16 PM

View Postsoarra, on 18 September 2013 - 12:59 PM, said:

If I had the license , cash to start it, I sure the hell could


They have had a 'Now hiring' sign up for some time... have you sent in your resume?

#1264 Deathlike

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 01:25 PM

View PostTexas Merc, on 18 September 2013 - 01:09 PM, said:

why isnt anyone noticing my awesome game in that kintaro !


c'mon man ask me about it.


Streak/LRM boat?

All I can say it... it has more backup weapon options than the A1. Congrats?

#1265 Riptor

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 01:26 PM

View PostKay Wolf, on 18 September 2013 - 01:14 PM, said:

*snip*



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Boy you must feel good about yourselfe fighting the good fight for a company that doesntcare about you in the slightest.

Edited by Riptor, 18 September 2013 - 01:29 PM.


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Posted 18 September 2013 - 01:29 PM

View PostShar Wolf, on 18 September 2013 - 01:16 PM, said:


They have had a 'Now hiring' sign up for some time... have you sent in your resume?

I would rathe slam my genitalia in a car door than work for a company that has no future , well not much of a past either

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 01:34 PM

View Postsoarra, on 18 September 2013 - 01:29 PM, said:

I would rathe slam my genitalia in a car door than work for a company that has no future , well not much of a past either


If they have no future....

Yknow what?

You want to know why they 'ignore' the forums?

People like you

People who have nothing but negatives to say

Why pay attention to what are at best Trolls?

Have a good day sir, and welcome to my 'ignore' list.

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 01:36 PM

View PostShar Wolf, on 18 September 2013 - 01:34 PM, said:


If they have no future....

Yknow what?

You want to know why they 'ignore' the forums?

People like you

People who have nothing but negatives to say

Why pay attention to what are at best Trolls?

Have a good day sir, and welcome to my 'ignore' list.


Damn Soarra you made it on an Ignore list I bet that is a first for you....

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 01:40 PM

View PostShar Wolf, on 18 September 2013 - 01:34 PM, said:


If they have no future....

Yknow what?

You want to know why they 'ignore' the forums?

People like you

People who have nothing but negatives to say

Why pay attention to what are at best Trolls?

Have a good day sir, and welcome to my 'ignore' list.



Because the "trolls" where once paying customers.. and now arent anymore... sheesh i wonder why? Why would someone NOT want to spend hundreds upon hundreds on this game that hasnt moved feature wise after a full year of open beta and wont in the near future?

Whatever could be the reason i wonder? What could turn founders who where willing to invest money into a project that could have been nothing but hot air at the time away?

Edited by Riptor, 18 September 2013 - 01:40 PM.


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Posted 18 September 2013 - 01:40 PM

View Postmerz, on 18 September 2013 - 01:10 PM, said:


fallacy of logic. that you are entitled to review film does not entitle you to direct films by proxy. take a look at 'community driven' films like snakes on a plane, that ultimately tanked at the box office. as someone who listens to music, watches film or utilises some sort of a product you are certainly entitled to opinion and even to having that opinion heard, published, etc.. and this is where your whole proposition unravels. normally someone dissatisfied with a product will either abandon it in favour of somebody else's product or endeavour to create their own. you've certainly indicated an absolute lack of faith in PGI to be able to do well by their product, which you have stated, literally thousands of times, that you do not enjoy. However, you are still here. Admonishing PGI and the product. on a daily basis. With a crew of the same exact people doing the same exact thing. While you are entitled to have opinions and certainly entitled to playing a game (hey, its FTP), you are absolutely not entitled to develop it, bully the developer into your demands or bully other people who disagree with you.

but its not like you didn't know this already. see, this is what bothers me. your arguments carry no sincerity or conviction. they're hollow tools of mass agitation lacking in personal touch. is anders writing this {Scrap} for you?
You should stop bullying people that disagree with you. You have the right to express your opinion but when your opinion is nothing more than "people who disagree with me are bullies" then you should not bully people with it. Because that's bullying.

Do you see where I'm going with this?

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 01:41 PM

View PostShar Wolf, on 18 September 2013 - 01:34 PM, said:


If they have no future....

Yknow what?

You want to know why they 'ignore' the forums?

People like you

People who have nothing but negatives to say

Why pay attention to what are at best Trolls?

Have a good day sir, and welcome to my 'ignore' list.

Well after a yeAr of constructive feedback , support tickets, doing their polls and even bringing players into this game I have given up. I'm just here now to enjoy the big launch

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 01:43 PM

For all of you that are complaing about the people complaining about PGI/IGP's buisness dealings and lack there of etc. etc. please feel free to fill out a application and actually try to due what you claim you are doing. Here is the link http://infinitegamep...ing.com/careers

Now then stop being nothing more then the same type of trolls your complaining about and due something positive.
If you can't help IGP/PGI with a position on there staff, then sit back and listen to those ranting and raving, getting there frustraions out here. And try and HELP them understand your view point instead of inflaming them more,[redacted]

Thank you and have a nice day!




P.S.
Also just remember to "Keep waiting, Keep waiting...just keep waiting"
as Dory the Mechwarrior says!

Edited by miSs, 19 September 2013 - 11:04 AM.
unnecessary


#1273 f rock

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 01:51 PM

Where is that boo guy? Lets celebrate him for smoking :)

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 01:57 PM

View Postsoarra, on 18 September 2013 - 01:41 PM, said:

Well after a yeAr of constructive feedback , support tickets, doing their polls and even bringing players into this game I have given up. I'm just here now to enjoy the big launch


Hey Soarra! Remember me? I was like you, I cared, I loved the game and tried to bring friends into it. At least one loved BT and the others thought it was an ok game. The one that loved BT saw what they were doing and threw his hands up in disgust a while ago and quit (He saw it well before I did) and the others slow dwindled to just not playing. I stopped playing as much right after c-bill nerf (Before which I was playing 10+ hours a week, but not going to farm mechs and sure as hell not buying non heroes with money) and quit completely a day after the infamous "apology". Got my refunds and have taken them to other games.

It's a shame. I tried to give feedback. I tried to use the polls and voice my opinions in a manner which to be heard. I tried to get them to understand what to do to not only KEEP my money but how to get MORE of it. Stick to the promises they made (3PV? IDC if it's in just split the queue's. High pin point alpha's? Homeless bills idea PROPERLY fixed that. and the list goes on.) and just fix the bugs. Well they didn't listen and I haven't looked back. Just checking out "Launch" day and all I can say is I'm glad this is no longer my go to game.

So long and thanks for all the fish

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 02:04 PM

That advert for the game does it no favours at all.

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 02:09 PM

View PostRiptor, on 18 September 2013 - 01:40 PM, said:



Because the "trolls" where once paying customers.. and now arent anymore... sheesh i wonder why? Why would someone NOT want to spend hundreds upon hundreds on this game that hasnt moved feature wise after a full year of open beta and wont in the near future?

Whatever could be the reason i wonder? What could turn founders who where willing to invest money into a project that could have been nothing but hot air at the time away?



Because 3/4 at best of what is in the suggestions are garbage and/or phrased in ways that even the hard to offend find insulting? even from before it went to open beta?

Because so many of the 'founders' took their status as an ownership of the game in spite of nothing giving them the legal reason to think so?

Because my point still stands and you have not even denied it beyond claiming donations to an incomplete project?

Welcome to the ignore list buddy.

Edit: hey the forums are more positive whilst still maintaining useful criticism already!

Edited by Shar Wolf, 18 September 2013 - 02:10 PM.


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Posted 18 September 2013 - 02:11 PM

View PostBryan Ekman, on 17 September 2013 - 08:54 AM, said:

State of the Inner Sphere

....... and have registered over 1.3 million players, and we continue to see amazing growth and engagement from our community!


I'd hate to burst your bubble, but that number is false. Give or take 25% of that..more or less are simply extra accounts created by the same person.... and by extra thats at least 2-3 extra from that very same person.


just saying.

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 02:12 PM

View PostCorwin Maxwell, on 18 September 2013 - 01:43 PM, said:

For all of you that are complaing about the people complaining about PGI/IGP's buisness dealings and lack there of etc. etc. please feel free to fill out a application and actually try to due what you claim you are doing. Here is the link http://infinitegamep...ing.com/careers

Now then stop being nothing more then the same type of trolls your complaining about and due something positive.
If you can't help IGP/PGI with a position on there staff, then sit back and listen to those ranting and raving, getting there frustraions out here. And try and HELP them understand your view point instead of inflaming them more, that way we won't have a incident like we had in Washington D.C, Columbine, etc. We all know the anger needs to stay here and not in the real world.

Thank you and have a nice day!




P.S.
Also just remember to "Keep waiting, Keep waiting...just keep waiting"
as Dory the Mechwarrior says!


Why would I want to work for a company who treats their paying customers this way? I can only imagine how they treat their non-management employees.

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 02:14 PM

View PostShar Wolf, on 18 September 2013 - 02:09 PM, said:



Because 3/4 at best of what is in the suggestions are garbage and/or phrased in ways that even the hard to offend find insulting? even from before it went to open beta?

Because so many of the 'founders' took their status as an ownership of the game in spite of nothing giving them the legal reason to think so?

Because my point still stands and you have not even denied it beyond claiming donations to an incomplete project?

Welcome to the ignore list buddy.

Edit: hey the forums are more positive whilst still maintaining useful criticism already!



Shar buddy i think you really need to take a long look in the mirror there, and see for yourself you are nothing but what you are complaining about. And for you to defend a company that really does not care for you, show just how much blind faith you have and how easily corrupted you have become. Welcome to the cult of PGI/IGP hope you enjoy our stay in eternal denial.

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 02:15 PM

View Postmerz, on 18 September 2013 - 01:10 PM, said:


fallacy of logic. that you are entitled to review film does not entitle you to direct films by proxy. take a look at 'community driven' films like snakes on a plane, that ultimately tanked at the box office. as someone who listens to music, watches film or utilises some sort of a product you are certainly entitled to opinion and even to having that opinion heard, published, etc.. and this is where your whole proposition unravels. normally someone dissatisfied with a product will either abandon it in favour of somebody else's product or endeavour to create their own.


What he said isn't a logical fallacy, only your reinterpretation of it. A person may state that they find some aspect of a product displeasing or lacking and provide reasons for it without themselves having the technical knowledge to make a competing product. If you took your truck to the manufacturer and complained that it doesn't fly they'd be within their rights to ignore you, because that's not something that the product they sold you was meant to do, nor something any of their competitors could reasonably be expected to make a car do. If, however you go to them and say, "Hey, my car's wheels fall off every time I close the door." then you have a legitimate complaint. Yes, the forum has it's share of both kinds of suggestions, but PGI's decision to ignore everyone equally is to their detriment.





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