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[Drollzy]

Mehlan, on 23 September 2013 - 04:23 PM, said:

go ahead, report people for playing spider...after all, your stated they're using an exploitable mech. Report em, and let us know what pgi's response is. :-)

what a d!ck head... seriously.
Enjoy easy mode while you can princess... Cos it will get fixed. I wish my ELO was so low that I could come across you in a match. Alas I will have to wait for you to get skillz and judging by defense of easy mode that will be a long wait.

Edited by cdrolly, 25 September 2013 - 12:24 AM.

[Mehlan]

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well for starters i didnt say to remove the spider from the game untill its fix so please dont put word in my mouth. second you say you and peef are the only ones trying to collect data as evidance......well where is it???

so fare in this tread the only things ive seen come from either you or peef are insults and threats. i made a post yesterday apologizing thinking that i some how offended you...i retract my apology. and if you think the ability to throw out a bunch of insults some how places you in a higher intelligence bracket then you are a bigger tw!t then first presumed! pull your head in fool!

Immaturity

• Denial often is expressed through immature behavior, which can leave a person incapable of dealing with life's responsibilities.

It would seem obvious that I did not see it then, wouldn't it? Much as apparently you haven't seen anything from Peef & I but insults. Let's see 2 vids so far, canon related data on LM's & Spider, explinations in regards to ping, network latency & jitter and how they impact gameplay and how this ties into HSR. Detail into hitboxes vs HSR/'netcode' in regards to what is reported as taking place, and questions posed directly to you in regards to these...




Nor, did I state

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i didnt say to remove the spider from the game untill its fix so please dont put word in my mouth. second you say you and peef are the only ones trying to collect data as evidance......well where is it???

IF you read what I said it was...

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Where as it has been your 'camps' claim that the spider itself should be 'addressed' or removed from play because of 'hitbox issues' (get that last word, implication being multiple) when data, and pgi's own statement that the leading cause seems to be the HSR. To that end it has been Peef & I, and our 'camp' who have been trying to collect the information and data for more accurate assessment, to that end asking and cajoling people to collect videos and provide relevant information rather than merely troll the forums and post the tripe as the second quote above.

that 2nd quote being

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i agree with you %100. but there are certain people in this post that will state that your a s#!t player you have no idea what your talking about then try to show how superior thay are in comparison to every one else that post on the forums and plays the game.

. That word 'camp' denotes sides...not individuals...

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what a d!ck head... seriously.
Enjoy easy mode while you can princess... Cos it will get fixed. I wish my ELO was so low that I could come across you in a match. Alas I will have to wait for you to get skillz and judging by defense of easy mode that will be a long wait.

Or perhaps it's your stupid arse that needs to come up to myne. I'm the '{Richard Cameron}' for telling someone to report people for playing a mech if their going to state it's exploitable? I'm not the moron attacking people in game chat for playing any particular mech. I'm not the genius running around talking about 'easymode' either... I'm one of the guys actually trying to help figure out something to try to lead to a better game and create understanding about what is taking place rather than putting on a blindfold and throwing darts at a wall to find the 'problem'. If that's being a '{Richard Cameron}', I've got no problem with it...I know that I am at least trying to be productive as opposed to playing the part of the screaming 2 yr old in the grocery store.

p.s. Cdrolly there would be the genius who made the comment

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PGI should remove the mech from game until its fixed. Spiders are easy mode anybody with half a brain can see this both when shooting at them and piloting them. Anybody who claims they are not broken is a half wit.

p.p..s. If you want to be sure i see something, you obviously know how to look at my profile, try clicking that button that says 'send message'.

Edited by Mehlan, 25 September 2013 - 03:59 AM.

[Drollzy]

Mehlan, on 25 September 2013 - 01:59 AM, said:

[/list] It would seem obvious that I did not see it then, wouldn't it? Much as apparently you haven't seen anything from Peef & I but insults. Let's see 2 vids so far, canon related data on LM's & Spider, explinations in regards to ping, network latency & jitter and how they impact gameplay and how this ties into HSR. Detail into hitboxes vs HSR/'netcode' in regards to what is reported as taking place, and questions posed directly to you in regards to these...


Nor, did I state IF you read what I said it was... that 2nd quote being .



Or perhaps it's your stupid arse that needs to come up to myne. I'm the '{Richard Cameron}' for telling someone to report people for playing a mech if their going to state it's exploitable? I'm not the moron attacking people in game chat for playing any particular mech. I'm not the genius running around talking about 'easymode' either... I'm one of the guys actually trying to help figure out something to try to lead to a better game and create understanding about what is taking place rather than putting on a blindfold and throwing darts at a wall to find the 'problem'. If that's being a '{Richard Cameron}', I've got no problem with it...I know that I am at least trying to be productive as opposed to playing the part of the screaming 2 yr old in the grocery store.

mate what your saying and what your doing don't match up. You are crying bloody murder and apparently have evidence showing that there is absolutely nothing wrong with Spider. You are abusive to anyone that has a different view and there are many waiting for your evidence gathering derp. Plus trust me your no where near my bracket and if a spider is your preferred mech got a long way up here. Like I said enjoy your broken mech while you can. the winds of change son.

Edited by cdrolly, 25 September 2013 - 02:37 AM.

[Mehlan]

cdrolly, on 25 September 2013 - 02:27 AM, said:

mate what your saying and what your doing don't match up. You are crying bloody murder and apparently have evidence showing that there is absolutely nothing wrong with Spider. You are abusive to anyone that has a different view and there are many waiting for your evidence gathering derp. Plus trust me your no where near my bracket and if a spider is your preferred mech got a long way up here. Like I said enjoy your broken mech while you can. the winds of change son.

Yea, yea yea.... Tell you what. Why don't YOU (Rolly) tells us exactly what is wrong with the spider (and how you determined it) that does NOT involve 'netcode'/HSR and is not impacted/influenced by network performance.

[TB Freelancer]

RandomLurker, on 21 September 2013 - 02:24 PM, said:

Spider is fine. The mech's size is not. It's half the size of a Cicada, which is only 10 tons heavier. It's smaller then a Commando, which is 5 tons lighter.

PGI really needs to get their mech's scaled properly. By someone who knows what the square/cubed law means. This would solve many problems.

http://imageshack.us/f/7/a9s6.jpg/

Yeah, a lot of the sizes of mechs in this game are downright goofy.

[Hika]

i have to say.

I really love the game ATM

But The Elo is killing me...

I Think the mayor problem for me NOW is the Spiders. As a Raven Pilot i can kill jenners. Ravens , Trollmandos.
When i see a spider i run, because i have no Chance against that bugged Scrap.

i hope they fix in the next patch the Elo and spiders.

Elo because if you are a good player you will be punished to Death.

**. Yesterday i used 98 SSRM on a spider, not Killed. (+ 3 ml lasers) i just followed in Mordor map, i think he was trying the uberarmor because he just run .

Pardon for my POOR english guys. I hope you can understand .

[Boymonkey]

Don't care what other people say Spiders are broken, I played a match a couple of days ago and It was myself in my Mya and a legged spider at my base and I hit him 5 times with an ac20/ac10 combo before he blew up...everyone including the spider pilot was loling because of how broken the spider is.
It will be fixed and we will see no more of them.

[Mehlan]

for the literacy and attention span challenged...

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Many of you have cited hit detection errors. We’re seeing this as well. While it happens across almost all Mechs, it’s most noticeable with small Mech chassis. Bumping damage is going to help deal a small amount more damage to small Mechs, but the larger Mechs are going to be destroyed VERY quickly. We are investigating the root cause of these detection errors but it’s a deep problem. We need to find out if it’s in HSR (host state rewind) or is it in the simulation running on the server etc etc. Once found we will be pouring heavy resources on to the problem to fix it ASAP. However, I can tell you this, it’s going to take a while to find due to its complexity.

Why does it appear more frequent on the spider?... narrow legs & arms (angled to the side) vs the blockier profiles of the commando & jenner. Network quality (Ping, Jitter etc) are going to compound that effect. The spider is HALF the size of the cicada? Please, put up a screenshot of them next to each other.

[Blacksoul1987]

I also believe that there is a problem with spiders I think their torso is too narrow and if you fire at them with projectile weapons in your arms when you lead the target perfectly while it is moving it results in a straddle, torso mounted projectiles will hit but not in the ct like it would on any other mech, they often hit the arms instead. The spider seems far too small in general it is 30 tons so it should have something like 1/3 the volume of a highlander but really to me it looks like its smaller than a highlander's leg.... and since everyone seems to want weapon stats here are my most common.... AC/20 68.39%, Medium Laser 83.29%, ER Large Laser 84.34%, PPC 53.88%, Gauss 54.04%, AC/5 65.32%, AC/10 63.60%. not great but not terrible

[Riogar Daylighter]

Ngamok, on 21 September 2013 - 03:43 PM, said:

Bloodfin > Bria

Kauri>Bloodfin>Bria

[Asakara]

+ =

KTO-18:
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...28be32fbd89c74b

[wintersborn]

Spiders are indeed broken, I ran up behind a AFK spider and at point blank hit him with (2) AC20's in the back of his head. I had to do this 3 times to kill it WTF?

[Clit Beastwood]

Asakara, on 25 September 2013 - 08:54 AM, said:

+ =

KTO-18:
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...28be32fbd89c74b

lol some spider was stupid enough to be in front of you. Natural selection for the win!

[Mehlan]

wintersborn, on 25 September 2013 - 02:17 PM, said:

Spiders are indeed broken, I ran up behind a AFK spider and at point blank hit him with (2) AC20's in the back of his head. I had to do this 3 times to kill it WTF?

Stop and think about that a minute... you had to hit it for 120pts damage, on 'AFK spider'. In this same thread you have people stating they have hit/damaged/killed them w/o difficulty.
How do you know the pilot was afk? Could it be that there were network issues between the pilot and the server? What was the pilots name, it'd be good if he happened to be on the fourms and find out what he saw on his end, if anything,..presuming he was not afk, and/or not having network issues.

Edited by Mehlan, 25 September 2013 - 02:50 PM.

[Clit Beastwood]

Mehlan, on 25 September 2013 - 02:49 PM, said:

Stop and think about that a minute... you had to hit it for 120pts damage, on 'AFK spider'. In this same thread you have people stating they have hit/damaged/killed them w/o difficulty.
How do you know the pilot was afk? Could it be that there were network issues between the pilot and the server? What was the pilots name, it'd be good if he happened to be on the fourms and find out what he saw on his end, if anything,..presuming he was not afk, and/or not having network issues.

I don't think you're supposed to call out people by name. Also, we're assuming this is a real event, which I doubt. Getting winged by an AC20 kills my spider plenty easy. I spent most of my evening last night in a CTF-3d with 4LL and didn't have much trouble putting down spiders. They're easier to kill when you're familiar with how they move (as in, from driving them) - it's really hard to get a heavy/assault pilot to try a spider... despite the old adage "know thy enemy".

[Mehlan]

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I don't think you're supposed to call out people by name. Also, we're assuming this is a real event, which I doubt. Getting winged by an AC20 kills my spider plenty easy. I spent most of my evening last night in a CTF-3d with 4LL and didn't have much trouble putting down spiders. They're easier to kill when you're familiar with how they move (as in, from driving them) - it's really hard to get a heavy/assault pilot to try a spider... despite the old adage "know thy enemy".

I'll give the benefit of the doubt, it's feasible in regards to the 'hsr', network combination..if the pilot was having some serious fluctuations in network connectvity (ie: lost packets).
...as for the name, in this i don't we're neccessarily calling the pilot out, as in seeking assistance...however the poster could send it to me in a message or to the pilot themselves and ask, or point em to the thread, it doesn't require the name be publicly posted.

[akpavker]

Fierostetz, on 25 September 2013 - 02:58 PM, said:

I don't think you're supposed to call out people by name. Also, we're assuming this is a real event, which I doubt. Getting winged by an AC20 kills my spider plenty easy. I spent most of my evening last night in a CTF-3d with 4LL and didn't have much trouble putting down spiders. They're easier to kill when you're familiar with how they move (as in, from driving them) - it's really hard to get a heavy/assault pilot to try a spider... despite the old adage "know thy enemy".

i also find it easyer to hit spiders with lasers. but seem to have trouble getting hit reg with balistics and ppc's. i dont realy play lights like you said no thy enemy......i made and leveled ravens months ago and played them and thought i was a **** hot light pilot. then they got nerfed/balanced and the reality was that i sucked realy bad on lights lol. ive since leveled and played a commando aswell but still never did real well the lightest mech youl see me in now is a medium. as fare as spiders go i dont real want to wast my time as i dont like playing lights so i dont see the point. i think there will be a few dissapointed spider pilots as well if there is ever a fix for them.

Edited by akpavker, 25 September 2013 - 04:09 PM.

[TB Freelancer]

I actually love seeing the other side a light heavy, if they make the mistake of getting within 300m, I can usually wipe them out pretty reliably in mechs running AC10, AC20 or Gauss. Also, some of the KTO builds are absolutely devastating to all lights, including spiders.

When I pilot them, people seem to have no issue killing me either most of the time. Sure I get the odd match where I get 5 kills and do 700 damage, but I was playing very well, and against a bunch of pilots that sucked really bad.

[Scandinavian Jawbreaker]

TB Freelancer, on 25 September 2013 - 07:38 PM, said:

I can usually wipe them out pretty reliably in mechs running AC10, AC20 or Gauss.

And AC/5. Pinpoint seems to be the way to go with HSR, at least for me. Try to take down a spider with lasers... now that's a chore!

[wintersborn]

Mehlan, on 25 September 2013 - 02:49 PM, said:

Stop and think about that a minute... you had to hit it for 120pts damage, on 'AFK spider'. In this same thread you have people stating they have hit/damaged/killed them w/o difficulty.
How do you know the pilot was afk? Could it be that there were network issues between the pilot and the server? What was the pilots name, it'd be good if he happened to be on the fourms and find out what he saw on his end, if anything,..presuming he was not afk, and/or not having network issues.

You can doubt it all you want, but you may be right about a disconnect with some sort of server hit issues. He was just standing there where he dropped at the start of the game.

I don't record anything and don't pay attention to pilot names since I just PUG. I have also legged many of spiders with dual AC/20's but there is something broken with hit detection on the spider and even though it may not be consistent it is there. I have even seen a post by a DEV? about the issue.