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[Mudhutwarrior]

Slepnir, on 16 November 2013 - 05:15 AM, said:

1.just because you loose doesn't mean the enemy team is a group/premade. in fact most teams have at most one 4 man team in any given drop on BOTH sides. 2.12V12 can ONLY be played between 2 full teams 3.there is a chat system and a way for groups to get together its called TEAMSPEAK. go look at the number of channels advertised in the forums. I frequent comstar US and 3 of the official house kurita TS servers. there is no secret codeword or handshake anybody can play everybody is welcome.

Like everyone knows all that. Been said ten thousand times. The issue is casuals, pugs and new players should have teamspeak too.
You all say its a team game except it isnt. Its a 4 man or 8 man game and the rest are in the dark or stuck with keyboard. A team game means all 12 have the same channel in voice. Really is it that hard to understand? Been voip in game since 1999. Is this a throwback to table top? An old farts excuse to make up for poor reaction times against 12 year olds?
Just defies all known logic.

[Tolkien]

@OP If you assume forum population and in game population are correlated you can see that in game population has hit a low since the phoenix rush died off. In open beta I remember seeing ~2500 forumites logged in during peak times (ca 7pm EST) when both Europe and North america were playing. During phoenix that spiked to ~6000 at peak peak, so more than a double and matches seemed fast to find too.

Now we are seeing ~1400 at peak times on the forums. If in game population tracks in the same ratios then you might be noticing crappier matches since the ELO system will swing higher and lower to form matches when there aren't enough people on.

Today dropping solo I had two or three in a row periods of >30 seconds searching for a match... something that didn't happen very often before.

[Bishop Steiner]

Mudhutwarrior, on 16 November 2013 - 04:51 AM, said:

Any smear you bulls on parade can use? Nice to see and opponent so weak he has to resoert to hidden supposed transgressions?All the good players have left. The ones who actually cared and wanted this game to be better for everyone. All thats left is the usual cadre standing on the corpse declaring they know better than anyone else while defending their use of exploits on the weak and ill prepeared.. You fit that mold along with the rest who populate k-town with their destruction. You have nobody fooled anymore.

lolz.

Nice strawman argument. Got proof?

The good players haven't left. Your ELO is probably just so bad that you never see them. I'm OK with keeping the Bads out of my matches as much as possible.

[mekabuser]

xMEPHISTOx, on 15 November 2013 - 06:16 PM, said:

I would not go so far as to say it is unplayable for pugs as a matter of fact I think it has been better for them then ever before. The days of full on pugstomping are pretty much a thing of the past. Of course it is not perfect but I cannot think of a game that I have played that provides a 'perfect' pugging experience.

any cb pug vet will agree with you I would think. Pug stomps used to be obnoxious. By that ii mean , they would be so overpowering they would just march straight at the enemy. No pretext of tactics since the only tactic they needed was to just call out targets and the enemy would just wilt.
thats the forge many a pug player was tempered in . It created a large group of very competent pugs.
Thats why , at least in the top one third of elo, which is where i think im at, pugs really arent at a disadvantage. A good group of pugs can handle one or two enemy 4 man teams.
Not all four mans are equal.

[Mudhutwarrior]

Bishop Steiner, on 16 November 2013 - 05:21 AM, said:

lolz.

Nice strawman argument. Got proof?

The good players haven't left. Your ELO is probably just so bad that you never see them. I'm OK with keeping the Bads out of my matches as much as possible.

Too funny. Been here long enough to know the differnce between the good players and those who think they are.

[Procobator]

My advise is that when pugging you shouldn't worry so much about winning and focus on being a useful resource for your team. I used to get frustrated when losing in pugging. Then I stopped worrying about it and focused on tactics and it has become much more enjoyable.

[Mudhutwarrior]

Procobator, on 16 November 2013 - 05:43 AM, said:

My advise is that when pugging you shouldn't worry so much about winning and focus on being a useful resource for your team. I used to get frustrated when losing in pugging. Then I stopped worrying about it and focused on tactics and it has become much more enjoyable.

Oh, be a good slave then? You guys just are too funny.

[Randalf Yorgen]

Mudhutwarrior, on 16 November 2013 - 05:20 AM, said:

Like everyone knows all that. Been said ten thousand times. The issue is casuals, pugs and new players should have teamspeak too.
You all say its a team game except it isnt. Its a 4 man or 8 man game and the rest are in the dark or stuck with keyboard. A team game means all 12 have the same channel in voice. Really is it that hard to understand? Been voip in game since 1999. Is this a throwback to table top? An old farts excuse to make up for poor reaction times against 12 year olds?
Just defies all known logic.

Last time I checked TEAMSPEAK was a free client download and most channels are free to use. You might have to answer 4 questions on a request to join forum the very first time you go but that is nothing (This is so some groups out there cannot Flood/Crash/JAM the TS Server by having 1000 of their friends all log in at the same time during CW battles)

I do understand your issue but if you were to go to any of the larger servers (500+ user size)servers and ask for a SOLO DROP ONLY section with maybe 10 channels under it so you and whomever you end up with during your random drop could have a place to go for that match, those servers would happily do it. It's how we do Marik Monday Madness. 50-80 players, all solo, no teams, all in the same mode, maybe doing a challenge by all trying the same trial mech for a drop. Once the game launches we simply call out the channel during the start up, people tab out, change channel, and come back into the game, when the match ends we all go back to the main channel. Best part is that you DON"T HAVE TO JOIN THE FACTION TO DO THIS. but if even the though of a faction server is to much then go to NGNG or the Comstar Server and get it done there, no problem.

You could even go and do it yourself (why you haven't by now escapes me unless you; a. Didn't think of it (here's your chance) b. to lazy, or c. are just trolling and railing against the "Evil Premade empire") Just remeber if you go and set it up yourself, you have to manage the server, you have to advertise the server and you have to put up with people like yourself who, without even going and checking it out for themselves will just try to tear you down because you are doing something that they are either jealous of or hate simply because they haven't tried it and doing so would force them out of their comfot zone.

TeamSpeak 3 is out there, is a free client download and opens the door to a whole new player experience. Refusing to try it and then raning about it is not only childish, it's also hurtful, spitefull, game damaging, and most likely something that would shame some peoples grandmothers if the Grandmothers knew how some people were being haters.

[Bishop Steiner]

Mudhutwarrior, on 16 November 2013 - 05:35 AM, said:

Too funny. Been here long enough to know the differnce between the good players and those who think they are.

apparently not, as you are under the impression you are good?

[Randalf Yorgen]

Bishop Steiner, on 16 November 2013 - 05:21 AM, said:

lolz.

Nice strawman argument. Got proof?

The good players haven't left. Your ELO is probably just so bad that you never see them. I'm OK with keeping the Bads out of my matches as much as possible.

Actually I've dropped against him a few times, he's not bad. he's killed me, I've sotted him and my TEAM MATES rained LRM hell on him. (might be why he hates premades) it's all good.

[Mudhutwarrior]

Bishop Steiner, on 16 November 2013 - 06:02 AM, said:

apparently not, as you are under the impression you are good?

If you find me ever saying i am good hell would have frozen over. Way below average would be my guess.

Has nothing to do with the argument here or in game voip.

Edited by Mudhutwarrior, 16 November 2013 - 06:19 AM.

[Nooee]

I do pug a lot, that is my style. I do not care much for K/D W/L, it is more about helping the team out. Since the Phoenix Mech's were released we saw an increase in the player base. Now that most of those Mech's have been mastered the playerbase is dropping off exponentially. Many times I have to wait for more than 2 min for a match when puging. It is also giving me the same players that all are still using the PPC, AC 20 and Gauss builds that PGI have nerfed, So did the nerf really change the game play? Yes it has caused player base to drop off in my view. Those that are left have the higher ELO therefore finding pug matches will become more time consuming.

[Randalf Yorgen]

Mudhutwarrior, on 16 November 2013 - 06:18 AM, said:

If you find me ever saying i am good hell would have frozen over. Way below average would be my guess.

Has nothing to do with the argument here or in game voip.

I put you right in the middle, maybe a touch on the upper side. that would be MY guess.

[Mudhutwarrior]

Randalf Yorgen, on 16 November 2013 - 06:21 AM, said:

I put you right in the middle, maybe a touch on the upper side. that would be MY guess.

Thanks, Don't see it that way myself and some times I go off the reservation with boredom and get all kamikaze.

[Randalf Yorgen]

Mudhutwarrior, on 16 November 2013 - 06:31 AM, said:

Thanks, Don't see it that way myself and some times I go off the reservation with boredom and get all kamikaze.

Ahh man.... you know my answer when you tell me that you are sometimes bored, and it involves getting a new perspective and a new player experience and...........




teams and voip...............




lol

I agree, the repetativeness of the game does get old but having friends and chatting with them while playing makes things a lot more fun. You KNOW I drop with roadbeer, we don't sit there and say Kill This guy and Kill That guy. Usually it's much more... oww oww oww OUCH... someone get this mech off me. It is fun I just wish you wouldn't hate on it so much. Many 4 mans out there are just dropping for fun, very few are the leetpeens that are... well.... leetpeens.

[Xeno Phalcon]

I'll take silent/text stupid over voice stupid, anytime im playing <Insert random Source engine game here> some little kid is yammering away in either a language I cant understand or at such a high pitch only my dog can understand it.

[KinLuu]

Mudhutwarrior, on 16 November 2013 - 05:48 AM, said:

Oh, be a good slave then? You guys just are too funny.

No.

Play it safe. Always stay behind someone else, only commit if the premade commits, do not wander of alone, keep yourself alive. As long as you are not dead, you can still influence the game. Once you are dead, you can only watch.

And if the premade commits at the wrong time, or gets caught out of position, blame them for the loss. This is the beauty of pugging.

[Mudhutwarrior]

Randalf Yorgen, on 16 November 2013 - 06:38 AM, said:

Ahh man.... you know my answer when you tell me that you are sometimes bored, and it involves getting a new perspective and a new player experience and...........




teams and voip...............




lol

I agree, the repetativeness of the game does get old but having friends and chatting with them while playing makes things a lot more fun. You KNOW I drop with roadbeer, we don't sit there and say Kill This guy and Kill That guy. Usually it's much more... oww oww oww OUCH... someone get this mech off me. It is fun I just wish you wouldn't hate on it so much. Many 4 mans out there are just dropping for fun, very few are the leetpeens that are... well.... leetpeens.

I don' t hate on it. I just don't get the logic calling it a team game when at least four men on that team cant readily communicate. its really four or eight team and the rest fluff. With in game voip every game is a team game. Only the resistance to bring the game into modern times do I hate. Well the bullying here on the forum I tend to dislike too.

[Roadbeer]

Mudhutwarrior, on 16 November 2013 - 07:20 AM, said:

I don' t hate on it. I just don't get the logic calling it a team game when at least four men on that team cant readily communicate. its really four or eight team and the rest fluff. With in game voip every game is a team game. Only the resistance to bring the game into modern times do I hate. Well the bullying here on the forum I tend to dislike too.

1. What feature that is in development should have it's resources diverted from, in order to create a costly and complicated design feature?
2. What feature that has been developed should have had it's resources diverted from in order to create a costly and complicated design feature?
3. How long do you imagine that such a feature would take to develop? What do you assume the staff size would be required to develop the feature?
4. C3 was widely disliked by those who use VoIP. If PGI were to not create their own, which VoIP should they build their foundation on. Cite the bonuses and limitations and costs of a server to accommodate the number of users for each.
5. Using a 3rd Party VoIP, site the costs of staff and resources necessary to write a 'room switching' overlay that will place members of a team together in the appropriate room.
6. The attraction of a 3rd party VoIP to many is that they are allowed to be selective about the members who use it, and have their own Code of Conduct in order to keep their users in line. List the features that would need to be implemented for a playerbase wide VoIP so it would be attractive to all, and the costs of resources necessary to implement it.
7. Given your proclivity to inject the premade argument into any conversation, whether it is relevant or not, have you considered that you're not being bullied, but in reality being counter-trolled?

[Randalf Yorgen]

Mudhutwarrior, on 16 November 2013 - 07:20 AM, said:

I don' t hate on it. I just don't get the logic calling it a team game when at least four men on that team cant readily communicate. its really four or eight team and the rest fluff. With in game voip every game is a team game. Only the resistance to bring the game into modern times do I hate. Well the bullying here on the forum I tend to dislike too.

Well, the bullying, you get just a messy as the rest of us and I'll leave that at that.

The resistance you are talking about goes both ways. there are regional servers for voips set up (yes drops aren't made up of people all from one region, I get that) but if players tried to use those it would help, especially if they did organized drop events during their primetime. This isn't a shameless plug but Marik Monday Madness is an example of such an event that puts players from across several timezones into a drop que at the same time. Something like this used by the regional servers (NA, Europe, Asia, Orient) would go a long way to help group these types of players together. But when people who are anti-outside voip come in and are just so poisonus against it's use especially when most haven't even tried to find out if something like this could work for them by either going to their regional server and joining or starting an event like this you can see where those of us who do use outside voip become frustrated.

People say it's an unfair advantage, that's like calling MWO P2W, the thing is, neither statement are correct. VOIP is free and you can either choose to use it or not to, no one is holding a gun to you either way. in a perfect world should there be integrated voip in MWO, hell yes, do we have it now, hell no but those who want it are finding work arounds and don't try to stop anyone else from using those same work arounds. Why do the people who don't want to use these work arounds try to crash and trample those who do. It's a simple choice, do or do not, there is no force. That's what I don't get.

Edited by Randalf Yorgen, 16 November 2013 - 08:06 AM.