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[WarHippy]

Heffay, on 07 October 2013 - 02:49 PM, said:

You're being generous on that 90% figure.

That percentage would be way down if you and Panda stopped posting.

[Jakob Knight]

gavilatius, on 08 October 2013 - 01:07 AM, said:

DID SOMEBODY SAY MARAUDER?

Um..sorry, but no Marauder I ever saw had an LRM15 in the RT, especially alongside an AC/GR in the LT, LL/PPCs and MLs in the arms. This is some kind of home-grown mech, or someone's dream mech version of the Marauder (i.e. who cares about construction rules...put anything I want on it).

Also, the Marauder was noteworthy as having next to no visibility away from directly ahead because it -didn't- have even normal cockpit viewports but a single small port in the nose to see out of (it is noted in the description of the mech as one of the few downsides to the mech), so if that wireframe is supposed to be the cockpit, it's definitely not a Marauder.

[Riptor]

Chronojam, on 08 October 2013 - 09:40 AM, said:

Well where are YOUR well-written posts with a 4.8:1 like:post ratio? Maybe you ought to stop being so critical until you can achieve a 4.8:1 like:post ratio. I'd hope you could see what I'm getting at.

YAY! {Richard Cameron} waving contest!

Because likes say so much about the validity of a post!

My.. Honey Boboo must be very intellectual and of high quality if we apply your logic to it.

[Sandpit]

Riptor, on 08 October 2013 - 11:45 AM, said:

YAY! {Richard Cameron} waving contest!

Because likes say so much about the validity of a post!

My.. Honey Boboo must be very intellectual and of high quality if we apply your logic to it.

ooooooooooooooh sick honey boo boo burn! lol

[Chronojam]

Riptor, on 08 October 2013 - 11:45 AM, said:

YAY! {Richard Cameron} waving contest!

Because likes say so much about the validity of a post!

My.. Honey Boboo must be very intellectual and of high quality if we apply your logic to it.

That's not my logic, though. You may have missed the point if you made that mistake. We're exploring Panda's logic and the entire point of what you quoted just now was to present it back to him to show just how absurd it is. I think you're missing the context because you've not read the past few pages. I'll explain briefly:

When encountering criticism of MWO, Panda routinely falls back on "Well if you're going to say these complaints, why aren't you making your own mech game?" or "You say it's easy, so why aren't you doing it?" or some similar variant. It's a bizarre notion to say that you cannot be critical of something if you could not do a better job yourself.

I've taken his own bizarre notion, and instead have now asked him to not be critical of my posts unless he can prove his capability to make posts of an equal or greater quality (as reviewed by our peers here). It's the same absurd concept except about posts instead of mechs.

[MechFrog1]

Chronojam, on 08 October 2013 - 01:17 PM, said:

That's not my logic, though. You may have missed the point if you made that mistake. We're exploring Panda's logic and the entire point of what you quoted just now was to present it back to him to show just how absurd it is. I think you're missing the context because you've not read the past few pages. I'll explain briefly:

When encountering criticism of MWO, Panda routinely falls back on "Well if you're going to say these complaints, why aren't you making your own mech game?" or "You say it's easy, so why aren't you doing it?" or some similar variant. It's a bizarre notion to say that you cannot be critical of something if you could not do a better job yourself.

I've taken his own bizarre notion, and instead have now asked him to not be critical of my posts unless he can prove his capability to make posts of an equal or greater quality (as reviewed by our peers here). It's the same absurd concept except about posts instead of mechs.

Brilliant 10/10 would like again.

[Deathz Jester]

Jakob Knight, on 08 October 2013 - 11:29 AM, said:

drivel

Right....so because you've never seen it, that means it doesn't exist. Also I'm almost certain that wireframe is better than anything you could put together or me for that matter. I think he did a nice job for something he did as a joke, but I'll leave you to your crayons and refrigerator art to make a better model.


Also here:

• "MAD-4X - This variant was made at Ronin Incorporated's facility on Wallis in 3039. Techs removed the standard weaponry from a Marauder and replaced the arm mounted weapons with a Binary Laser Cannon in each arm, while the torso mounted autocannon was replaced by twin SRM-6 launchers backed by one ton of ammunition. The Marauder-4X was also noteworthy because it used a Prototype Endo Steel chassis. To keep the heat under control technicians installed twelve single heat sinks and six prototype Double Heat Sinks.[24] "

• "MAD-5D - The 5D Marauder is an upgrade of the 3D model. The 'Mech's engine has been upgraded to an XL Engine to save weight, and the entire weapons payload has been stripped out and upgraded. The 5Ds primary weapons are two ER PPCs, which increase the PPCs range. The Large Laser has been replaced with a Large Pulse Laser, and the Medium Lasers have been replaced with two Medium Pulse Lasers. A Streak SRM-2 launcher has also been added to the 'Mech for more close range protection. It is protected by fourteen tons of armor. The 5D has a jumping capability of up to 120 meters.[25] BV (1.0) = 1,504,[13] BV (2.0) = 1,787[26]"

• "MAD-9M - A departure from the standard Marauder design philosophy, the 9M is built using an XL engine and twelve and a half tons of Valiant Chainmail Ferro-Fibrous armor. The 'Mech carries, as its primary weapons, four ER Large Lasers for long-range combat. In the event that the 'Mech closes, it has two Guided Technologies 2nd Generation Streak SRM-6 launchers. The 9M also carriesTAG to designate targets for Arrow IV artillery strikes and an ECM Suite for protection against electronic warfare systems.[45] BV (1.0) = 1,383,[20] BV (2.0) = 1,704[46]"

I even bolded the parts that mention missiles so you can find them.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Marauder

[Riptor]

Chronojam, on 08 October 2013 - 01:17 PM, said:

That's not my logic, though.

Fair enough but since when do you follow that kind of logic down the rabbit hole?

[Chronojam]

Riptor, on 08 October 2013 - 07:44 PM, said:

Fair enough but since when do you follow that kind of logic down the rabbit hole?

Sometimes it's fun.

[Riptor]

Chronojam, on 08 October 2013 - 07:46 PM, said:

Sometimes it's fun.

I dont know man... theres all kinds of crazy down that pathway... some people have never returned

[Corvus Antaka]

I love when my groupies come out to play

[Chronojam]

Ah, the "puppetmaster" defense, right on schedule.

[KovarD]

WarHippy, on 08 October 2013 - 11:13 AM, said:

That percentage would be way down if you and Panda stopped posting.

Heffay and Panda deserve a Community Contributor award for their white knig... ops, I mean MWO "reputation savior", like Roadbeer.

Heffay is the biggest of all time, he is legendary when he was trying to defend alone 24/7 against the whole forum 3PV rage explosion. (ops.. I mean the "cry of a tiny island").

Panda because he was hosting a virus on his website and asking the MWO island to go to their site to activate the secret DX11 Geometry Tesselation cfg file made by him.

[Roland]

KovarD, on 09 October 2013 - 10:16 AM, said:

Panda because he was hosting a virus on his website and asking the MWO island to go to their site to activate the secret DX11 Geometry Tesselation cfg file made by him.

Oh, the tesselation post was epic.

"Just look at my website! I used some flag that enables tesselation! And I can't really tell what it did, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT TESSELATION IS."

[Chronojam]

KovarD, on 09 October 2013 - 10:16 AM, said:

Heffay and Panda deserve a Community Contributor award for their white knig... ops, I mean MWO "reputation savior", like Roadbeer.

Heffay is the biggest of all time, he is legendary when he was trying to defend alone 24/7 against the whole forum 3PV rage explosion. (ops.. I mean the "cry of a tiny island").

Panda because he was hosting a virus on his website and asking the MWO island to go to their site to activate the secret DX11 Geometry Tesselation cfg file made by him.

Haha jeez I almost forgot all about that, the virus warnings from everybody's scanners were great. Then trying to argue about the DX spec with everybody, even in the face of Cryengine documentation if I'm not mistaken.

[Psikez]

Dear this entire thread

What?

Sincerely

Psikez

[Sandpit]

KovarD, on 09 October 2013 - 10:16 AM, said:

Heffay and Panda deserve a Community Contributor award for their white knig... ops, I mean MWO "reputation savior", like Roadbeer.

Heffay is the biggest of all time, he is legendary when he was trying to defend alone 24/7 against the whole forum 3PV rage explosion. (ops.. I mean the "cry of a tiny island").

Panda because he was hosting a virus on his website and asking the MWO island to go to their site to activate the secret DX11 Geometry Tesselation cfg file made by him.

We have a user that was directing others to their website to infect them with a virus????

That's not exactly what I would call a laughing matter.....

[KharnZor]

Sandpit, on 10 October 2013 - 06:43 AM, said:

We have a user that was directing others to their website to infect them with a virus????

That's not exactly what I would call a laughing matter.....

You are of course assuming he did it intentionally?
Come on now.

[Sandpit]

KharnZor, on 10 October 2013 - 09:27 PM, said:

You are of course assuming he did it intentionally?
Come on now.

I assumed nothing, I made no statement, I asked a question.
. = statement
? = question

I just wanted to know if this is indeed true.

[Jakob Knight]

Iron Harlequin, on 08 October 2013 - 07:25 PM, said:

Right....so because you've never seen it, that means it doesn't exist. Also I'm almost certain that wireframe is better than anything you could put together or me for that matter. I think he did a nice job for something he did as a joke, but I'll leave you to your crayons and refrigerator art to make a better model.


Also here:

• "MAD-4X - This variant was made at Ronin Incorporated's facility on Wallis in 3039. Techs removed the standard weaponry from a Marauder and replaced the arm mounted weapons with a Binary Laser Cannon in each arm, while the torso mounted autocannon was replaced by twin SRM-6 launchers backed by one ton of ammunition. The Marauder-4X was also noteworthy because it used a Prototype Endo Steel chassis. To keep the heat under control technicians installed twelve single heat sinks and six prototype Double Heat Sinks.[24] "

• "MAD-5D - The 5D Marauder is an upgrade of the 3D model. The 'Mech's engine has been upgraded to an XL Engine to save weight, and the entire weapons payload has been stripped out and upgraded. The 5Ds primary weapons are two ER PPCs, which increase the PPCs range. The Large Laser has been replaced with a Large Pulse Laser, and the Medium Lasers have been replaced with two Medium Pulse Lasers. A Streak SRM-2 launcher has also been added to the 'Mech for more close range protection. It is protected by fourteen tons of armor. The 5D has a jumping capability of up to 120 meters.[25] BV (1.0) = 1,504,[13] BV (2.0) = 1,787[26]"

• "MAD-9M - A departure from the standard Marauder design philosophy, the 9M is built using an XL engine and twelve and a half tons of Valiant Chainmail Ferro-Fibrous armor. The 'Mech carries, as its primary weapons, four ER Large Lasers for long-range combat. In the event that the 'Mech closes, it has two Guided Technologies 2nd Generation Streak SRM-6 launchers. The 9M also carriesTAG to designate targets for Arrow IV artillery strikes and an ECM Suite for protection against electronic warfare systems.[45] BV (1.0) = 1,383,[20] BV (2.0) = 1,704[46]"

I even bolded the parts that mention missiles so you can find them.








http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Marauder

Very well, let's look at your suggestions:

MAD-4X: Has 2 SRM6 launchers. Not an LRM15. And this model has no AC/GR..the missile launchers were -in place of- this weapon mount.

MAD-5D: Has a single SSRM2. Not an LRM15, and certainly not a launcher with 15 tubes.

MAD-9M: This mech has 4 ERLL, which would be assumed to be in the hands of the model pictured, and twin Streak SRM6s. Avoiding the issue of using weapons that don't exist in MWO, those missiles, again, replace the AC/GR mount.

So, you have not provided any sort of Marauder with 2 heavy beam weapons, 2 smaller beam weapons, a full 15-tube missile system and a heavy cannon mount as well, which supports my statement, not disproves it. I knew very well that there were Marauder models with missile systems, but none of them mounted the kind of weaponry illustrated in the picture. As I did claim, the mech illustrated is someone's 'dream mech', done without regards to construction rules or established models. It's easy to make a good-looking picture, but if that picture doesn't match what is possible and it is supposed to be, then it is just a fantasy of the illustrator.

If you are going to illustrate a mech and call it a Marauder, it has to match what a Marauder is. Posting a picture of a MDG-1A Rakshasa and calling it a Marauder would be no different. The Rakshasa is not a Marauder, despite whatever you might want to say...it is a Rakshasa. The reason it is a Rakshasa is because of the attributes that make it a Rakshasa (weapons configuration, handling, mission profile), and just because it shares the shape of a Marauder does not make it one.


And, I have come up with published mech designs myself, so don't be too quick with the 'crayons and refrigerator art' comment. Unlike the picture you posted, I actually had to draw mine by hand. Also unlike the picture posted, I had to make sure the mechs I illustrated matched what was possible in the game I was illustrating for (yes, I had to learn and gain quite a bit of experience with what was possible in a mech of a certain tonnage, tech level, and year of production).

Edited by Jakob Knight, 11 October 2013 - 10:43 AM.