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[Koniving]

Rogue Jedi, on 02 July 2017 - 01:51 PM, said:

Liao going on the attack unsuported against Davion would be interesting ^{(mostly because I do not see how Liao could have any chance unless Davion were otherwise occupied)}.

ultimately though I would be fine with any of those pairings, would it be during the sucession wars?

Unsure but likely will have it fourth Succession War or very close to 3050, it's mainly to showcase a CW-like concept if we had a bit more depth (and vehicles/infantry/etc) to gameplay such as logistics and more meaningful intel. I want to write something that rivals this concept in terms of popularity, but also has a narrative focus as a sort of long short-story.

(To mention: Liao's defenses are terrible which in desperate times resort to car bombs and families entering combat by using any derelict combat-capable vehicle they find (through which one can earn citizenship without direct military service, provided they survive and have proof of fighting, otherwise citizenship is only earned through military service. As such most civilians have at least some military experience or have picked up some things from family members that have it). Really awesome is the unconventional use of Urbanmechs which includes burying them in jungles to use for ambushes. Sometimes you'll see the same mech fall and rise several times during a fight, each with a new pilot of varying [in]competence
Liao's offense, however, is an entirely different story. While their defenses rely heavily on large numbers of what amounts to basically poorly maintained trash, they spare no expense on their offensive forces. They sabotage their targets ahead of time with spies or commando teams and then send in their elites, with the defending team often unaware of it until the actual fighting begins. On occasion, Liao forces can slip an expeditionary force onto planets without even being detected, post 3029, despite the occasional days of travel through normal space to go from the arrival jump point to the actual planet they are invading. Also for some reason Liao's elites are almost entirely female..despite a massively high male population throughout all their planets. Just among those peculiar things to notice.)

Also thanks for the answer.

Edited by Koniving, 02 July 2017 - 02:23 PM.

[Leone]

Marik v Liao!

Let the Tech Imbalance fly!

~Leone.

[Koniving]

Always wondered why Marik kissed so much butt with the Liao, considering that the Mariks are the most technologically advanced through the second, third, and fourth Succession Wars, and are the only ones really 'equipped' to fight the Clans (besides Comstar itself) when they arrive. But then again they stayed out of most of the fights and have lots of red tape.

Maybe it's the fact that they have the least experienced military? Or perhaps because Liaos have a habit of killing Marik Ambassadors because they're annoying?

Spoiler

House Liao handbook said:

'NUFFSAID
You can say what you wish but one thing is
certain: Chancellor Kurnath knew how to start a war
the right way. Kumath was one of those people who
hated empty diplomatic creations and hated wasting
time even more. When the Free Worlds ambassador
was received for the last time, the potentate began
by expressing, in the loudest and sloppiest terms possible,
his "sincere devotion to the cause of peace and how it pained
him to announce the inability of his government to comply
with the chancellor's request ...
To !his !he Chancellor remained quiet and motionless,
save for a slight twitch of one eye.
For the next ten minutes !he League spokesman continued
in a similar vein, mouthing compliment after compliment,
paltry phrase after paltry phase. All the while the Chancellor
stood, hands quietly folded; not a word could he get in ...
At long last, the ambassador paused for air:-and Kumath
seized the opportunity to interpose a remark of his own.
"My dear sir, in the interests of saving time, may I assume
you are now finished?"
"Yes, your lordship, with all humble thanks for the gracious
time you have allotted me in your presence."
"You're sure that you're through?"
"Quite certain, your Illustrious majesty, sovereign of light
and understanding . ."
"Finished?"
"Absolutely, divine one."
"You're positive?"
"Oh yes, Illustrious guiding light."
"Good."
Chancellor Kurnath turned to the commander of his
escort.
"For God's sake, shoot him before he starts up again!!"
-From Tristam Henn, Kumath Uao: The Official Biography,
Capellan Government Printing Office. 2404

(Of course on a personal note, I think Kurita versus Davion or vice versa would be hilarious, due to the nature of Davion smart-backsides (it won't let me use the proper word.)

Spoiler

Found in the House Liao handbook said:

ULTIMATUM AND DEFIANCE
To the Officer Commanding the Federated Sun Forces on
Kasai
Sir:
As you will observe, I have positioned my forces in such a
manner that you are now completely surrounded. To avoid
unnecessary loss of life, I respectfully suggest an immediate
surrender. I will accord you two hours from receipt of this communlcation
In which to reply. ~
V.G. lshilkoff, General of the Army,
Knight of the Dragon

To General V.G. lshilkoff,
Commander, Draconis Combine Forces on Kasai
General:
I have received your recent communication concerning an
immediate surrender. I am terribly sorry, but we don't have
enough food to take you all prisoner. Perhaps next time.
Respectfully.
K. Mandon, Acting-Commander,
1st Syrtis Fusiliers

To Commander K. Mandon,
1st Syrtis Fusiliers
Sir,
I request the immediate surrender of your troops, not mine.
V.G. lshilkoff, Commanding,
Draconis 7th Sword of Light

To General V.G. lshilkoff,
Commander. Draconis 7th Sword of Light
General:
Thank you very much for your kind offer. I'm afraid, however.
I find my position perfectly maintainable. So sorry to disappoint
you. Should the general desire to have this rock, he can come
and get it.
Respectlully,
K. Mandon

So I'll do one of each, it'd be a good way to showcase an idea of how to get each faction's unique abilities into play.

(Back to your regularly scheduled short questions and answers about MWO.)

Edited by Koniving, 04 July 2017 - 03:18 AM.

[Koniving]

Does anyone else still use Awesomes? If so, which ones and a brief "Why would you?"

For me, with the loss of their slow stopping power, they can't climb hills anywhere near as well as they used to even with maximum hill climb. (The Pretty Baby which used to have a braking penalty in exchange for its extreme acceleration when it first came out could climb hills that even Locusts couldn't climb as an unintended side effect, allowing me to get on top of the spires in Tourmaline Desert when not even jumpjet users could do it). I'm not sure if completely removing any forced hard brake skill nodes would help in this regard, either. So a huge advantage that helped these mechs over pretty much everything else being better than them... just isn't there anymore.

[DavidStarr]

Does target decay skill affect the targets spotted by other teammates? Specifically, I'm curious about targets I never had a personal LoS on in the first place.

Edited by DavidStarr, 04 July 2017 - 08:58 AM.

[Tesunie]

DavidStarr, on 04 July 2017 - 07:19 AM, said:

Does target decay skill affect the targets spotted by other teammates? Specifically, I'm curious about targets I never had a personal LoS on in the first place.

As far as I know and as I have experienced, no. You have to be the one who has line of sight to the target for any of your targeting skills to work. (Though I could be wrong, but if I am, it isn't what I've been noticing in the game personally.)

[DavidStarr]

That would make sense. That would also make the skill useless for LRM boats in many situations. Good to know, thanks.

[Tesunie]

DavidStarr, on 04 July 2017 - 09:10 AM, said:

That would make sense. That would also make the skill useless for LRM boats in many situations. Good to know, thanks.

Well, though I don't actually "boat" LRMs (for many reasons), I personally find it very useful on my LRM mechs. But then again I'm probably rather different from the average LRM user and personally go out of my way to get many of my own locks. Though I don't complain when an ally wishes to try and get and hold a good lock for me either...

[DavidStarr]

Now if you don't boat, then I assume you would like to see the enemy in order to shoot him with your other weapons, so it makes perfect sense for hybrid LRM mechs to utilize this skill, seems to me.

Edited by DavidStarr, 04 July 2017 - 09:15 AM.

[Koniving]

DavidStarr, on 04 July 2017 - 09:10 AM, said:

That would make sense. That would also make the skill useless for LRM boats in many situations. Good to know, thanks.

You must be the one to see them last, however they will still be available to all your teammates after they leave your sight.

This is very useful to medium range LRM boats.

Another thing you can consider is NARC. Peg an enemy with a NARC, and he is yours to rain fiery brimstone down upon.

[MAD-IIC-D]

DavidStarr, on 04 July 2017 - 07:19 AM, said:

Does target decay skill affect the targets spotted by other teammates?

Yes it does, it doesn't matter if you never saw them directly yourself.

Edited by Teer5 Kerensky, 04 July 2017 - 12:20 PM.

[Magoo]

Ok noob question ! ,

I cannot start the game because it needs patching. Any kind soul point me to where the patches are please. I seem to have clicked all over the place.

[MAD-IIC-D]

Magoo, on 04 July 2017 - 12:26 PM, said:

Ok noob question ! ,

I cannot start the game because it needs patching. Any kind soul point me to where the patches are please. I seem to have clicked all over the place.

The launcher/portal/steam will download the patch and install it. Maybe you've tried starting the game directly.

[Rogue Jedi]

Magoo, on 04 July 2017 - 12:26 PM, said:

Ok noob question ! ,

I cannot start the game because it needs patching. Any kind soul point me to where the patches are please. I seem to have clicked all over the place.

click where it says patch,
"installing" just installs the portal, the portal then downloads something like 12gb of "patches" which install the game.

alternately just get it on steam, MWO on steam is lower maintenance than the regular portal

[Koniving]

I spent three days of hell trying to download the PTS on MWO Portal. After it stopped once, it refused to even try to patch as the patch button wouldn't work no matter how many times I'd close it. I had to use the repair tool to get it to download the game.

Steam's version is just so much easier. Download once, you're done.
Patches automatically if a new patch comes out. (Doesn't "say" it needs to patch to download the actual game).
If a problem happens, right click MWO, choose properties, Local Files, and click "Verify Integrity." Fixes it in seconds (to minutes if it's something major) and you're off to the races.

[Magoo]

Thank you for the help, looks like steam is the way to go. TY

[Koniving]

About the only way I'd suggest the MWO portal version is if you're using a low end computer or laptop (because you can close the portal after launching the game; Steam has to stay open unless you find a way around it. Not that steam takes up much and most players already have Steam, so why not use it? It sure as heck downloads a LOT faster, too).

[Keltan]

What colors are included with the Civil War : Escalation pack as early adopter rewards? Are their names listed somewhere, or do we just look at the shade and guess? Are the colors all basic, all premium or some mix, eg two basic, one premium?

Also, for the loot bag event, can we only search through the camo spec panel to find what each color and pattern is? Are they described anywhere? Going through each group of shades seems the best way, but was hoping for a simple listing.

[Audacious Aubergine]

Keltan, on 04 July 2017 - 04:54 PM, said:

What colors are included with the Civil War : Escalation pack as early adopter rewards? Are their names listed somewhere, or do we just look at the shade and guess? Are the colors all basic, all premium or some mix, eg two basic, one premium?

Also, for the loot bag event, can we only search through the camo spec panel to find what each color and pattern is? Are they described anywhere? Going through each group of shades seems the best way, but was hoping for a simple listing.

1. If they are new colours in the Civil War packs then they won't be listed anywhere yet since they technically don't exist yet. I don't remember if they are going to be new ones or not.
2. The short answer is yes, searching through the in game camo spec tab is (I think) the only way of seeing what you'll be getting

[Keltan]

Audacious Aubergine, on 04 July 2017 - 05:55 PM, said:

1. If they are new colours in the Civil War packs then they won't be listed anywhere yet since they technically don't exist yet. I don't remember if they are going to be new ones or not.
2. The short answer is yes, searching through the in game camo spec tab is (I think) the only way of seeing what you'll be getting

Ah, yes, didn't see they were new colors. Thanks very much!