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[Death Weasel]

Of course I agree with it.
The reason I bought the Founders Package was to help get this game up and running.
I, just like every other purchaser, got exactly what we were promised as part of that deal, for the price listed.
To all of you who we're not able, or, decided not to partake in the Founders Package, you are welcome, from all of us.

Hero mechs make money. PGI /IGP are in business to make money.
So far there haven't been any surprises to that idea.
There has not been any sleight of hand or double dealing.
The longer they are in business and are making money, the longer we have a game.

Oh, and before anyone asks, yes I still use my Founders mechs.
Even after I get my 'LOCUST OF DESTRUCTION !', 'SHADOW HAWK OF MAYHEM !', 'THUNDERBOLT OF CHAOS !', & 'BATTLEMASTER OF PESTILENCE !'

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh ya, and the Griffin and Wolverine too, but I don't have names for them yet.

Not trying to twist tails here. Just saying money is a good thing if it gets me what I want.

Edited by Panzershriek, 02 October 2013 - 06:20 PM.

[Hexenhammer]

When I first saw hero mechs I was annoyed they had +30% CBill gain and my founders mechs only have 25. It felt like a slap in the face. Why doesn't my mech have that? I spend $120 on this game and now you're telling me I didn't buy the best? Well in hindsight that's true but when the founders packages were offered we didn't know about hero mechs and we bought the packages thinking we were getting a good deal. And in my book I got a good deal.

For $120 I...
Supported a game I want to succeed
Got early access
4 mechs with +25% CBill bonus
3 mechs with +30% CBill bonus.
Converted XP to 200,00+ GXP and unlocked and maxed out five modules with it
10 mech bays
1 camo pattern by accident.
3-4 colors
3 months game time

So I'm damn happy with what I got for 120 and I don't have to buy a hero version of the founders mech to get a CBill bonus because I already one!

Now am I surprised they made hero versions of the founders mech? Absolutely not. I would be disappointed if PGI didn't do it because it would deny new players a CBill bonus mech and it would deny PGI the opportunity to make more money and it will deny everyone four more versions of existing mechs.

So not only do I welcome the addition of the Boar's Head Atlas to the game I'm eager to see what they do with the other mechs, especially the Hunchback. Not only that I want to see what they do for Hero Phoenix Mechs!

So that's my 2 cents.

Edited by Hexenhammer, 03 October 2013 - 03:36 AM.

[Edustaja]

As a Legendary founder I have no problems with Hero mechs for the initial four.

[Inkarnus]

as long as they dont touch the same variants as the founders for a while iam good with it

[John MatriX82]

Yes, Yes, Yes. But you didn't gave me the option for:
quite frankly I don't care at all if they release Hero mechs that overlap with founders.

First because it's clear that PGI has turned their heels on us (AS7-D Cockpit bug is the last of a big list of bad things they did to us, because now they care about new players, they don't consider the "vocal minority" anymore), in second instance because there's nothing wrong. We basically had heroized versions of normal variants with a cbill boost.

What will happen when they'll enable us to "heroize" any mech we want to get a cbill boost by spending MC's on them? Will it be wrong if I heroize my beloved HGN-733 so I'm screwing those players that took the HM instead? I think and I hope not .


Tbh, BH isn't at all better than a D, the Boar doesn't have dual ballistics (so no double ultra 5 or AC 5) no double missiles in the side (which can be dual SRMs or more lrms for dps) and still has 2 energy in the CT for a couple of mediums or a third laser. The D is the most balanced Atlas variant out there, second only to the D-DC and imho at the same level of the Boar's head. IT's definitely better than the good old RS (that I sold btw, thanks for destroying 4 LL alphas with heat penalties PGI), but it has the same degree of usefulness of any other hero mech; I can disgrace PGI for a huge amount of things that they did, do and will be doing wrong with MWO, but hero mechs ain't P2W. They are just different and bring you some more cbills, something I don't even care about since I'm way over 200 mil xD.

Oh and Boar's faster? Yeah please keep using those nice XL engines, it's so easy to pull down atlases with one in it. Anybody else will fall down to builds with std 350/360s if they are reasonable, thus making any other atlas basically on the same mobility level of the BH.

[Appogee]

I'm not a Founder (wish I was!) but I have no concern with the introduction of the Hatlas.

I won't buy it until it's at least 30% off ... but I do think it's reasonable for PGI to make it available.

[DarkDevilDancer]

Personally i think founder mechs should be 30% not 25% bonus.

But beyond that founders need to stop moaning all the time you got what you paid for and they never promised your mechs would be the best choice forever.

[Amsro]

DarkDevilDancer, on 03 October 2013 - 05:25 AM, said:

Personally i think founder mechs should be 30% not 25% bonus.

But beyond that founders need to stop moaning all the time you got what you paid for and they never promised your mechs would be the best choice forever.

Would be a nice Upgrade to the founder mechs, I would be for it as %30 seems the norm now. (not a founder)

[Bacl]

Ok i started this discussion yesterday and i'm glad its going that well.

Now adding more grim to this story, anyone got head shot 3 games in a row in their Founder Atlas? That happened to me yesterday night, it was a first but 3 games in a row, got old really fast...

Been checking on the forum for answers and i found this: http://mwomercs.com/...ly-really-easy/

Founder atlas is being "easier" to headshot compared to all other variants the day the new Hero Atlas is coming out? Call me a paranoiac or conspiracy screamer if you want but this is too well timed. "Sigh"... You see? Thats the kind of stuff that happens all the time with them for no ( well there is $$$) obvious reasons.

Edited by Bacl, 03 October 2013 - 08:11 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

John MatriX82, on 03 October 2013 - 04:37 AM, said:

Yes, Yes, Yes. But you didn't gave me the option for:
quite frankly I don't care at all if they release Hero mechs that overlap with founders.

First because it's clear that PGI has turned their heels on us (AS7-D Cockpit bug is the last of a big list of bad things they did to us, because now they care about new players, they don't consider the "vocal minority" anymore), in second instance because there's nothing wrong. We basically had heroized versions of normal variants with a cbill boost.

What will happen when they'll enable us to "heroize" any mech we want to get a cbill boost by spending MC's on them? Will it be wrong if I heroize my beloved HGN-733 so I'm screwing those players that took the HM instead? I think and I hope not .


Tbh, BH isn't at all better than a D, the Boar doesn't have dual ballistics (so no double ultra 5 or AC 5) no double missiles in the side (which can be dual SRMs or more lrms for dps) and still has 2 energy in the CT for a couple of mediums or a third laser. The D is the most balanced Atlas variant out there, second only to the D-DC and imho at the same level of the Boar's head. IT's definitely better than the good old RS (that I sold btw, thanks for destroying 4 LL alphas with heat penalties PGI), but it has the same degree of usefulness of any other hero mech; I can disgrace PGI for a huge amount of things that they did, do and will be doing wrong with MWO, but hero mechs ain't P2W. They are just different and bring you some more cbills, something I don't even care about since I'm way over 200 mil xD.

Oh and Boar's faster? Yeah please keep using those nice XL engines, it's so easy to pull down atlases with one in it. Anybody else will fall down to builds with std 350/360s if they are reasonable, thus making any other atlas basically on the same mobility level of the BH.

weird, I still use the RS almost exclusively of the Atlases. 4 LL + Gauss is still trucking just fine for me. Dislike my DDC with a passion. (Except the ECM bit. But the hardpoints are MEH, for my tastes)

[Hugh Fairgrove]

Pretty sure they said they were going to be adding all heros over the next few months for the mech chassis that they missed. This isn't new and shouldn't bother you as much as it is, but thats just my opinion.

[John MatriX82]

Bishop Steiner, on 03 October 2013 - 08:27 AM, said:

weird, I still use the RS almost exclusively of the Atlases. 4 LL + Gauss is still trucking just fine for me. Dislike my DDC with a passion. (Except the ECM bit. But the hardpoints are MEH, for my tastes)

Meh it's just that I don't like heat penalties (can't restrain myself to shoot all of them together all the time ) , that along the last gauss mechanic killed that build for me, without accounting the "oh you lose half of your mech in the blink of an eye" thanks to the exploding GR.
I still use GR, but on Landers and Victors, at least I don't have to bother with the terrain too much or with the gauss exploding

[WildeKarde]

TBH I don't mind they put out hero version of the founders mechs. My only want would be to be able to change the colours on the mech, they could do a revamped founders camo but that would be a nice to have and not a priority if I can at least change how it looks.

[Butane9000]

Bishop Steiner, on 02 October 2013 - 11:14 AM, said:

you do know that they just released an Atlas Hero Mech, yes?

I'm talking about possible future additions.

[Mawai]

I have no problem at all with PGI offering hero mechs of any mech in the game. As a founder I think I received what I paid for (I still have some MC left even). I do think the Founder's variants should have the same earnings bonus as the hero mechs at 30%. I can understand that the hero mechs were made slightly better than the founder's mechs when first introduced to encourage founders to purchase the hero mechs when there were a smaller number of players and presumably smaller market. At this point in time however, I don't think there would be any significant consequence to adding the additional 5% earnings bonus to founders mechs.

On the other hand, the difference is small enough that it isn't a big deal but it would be a nice gesture towards their initial core community who helped with over $5 million in funding at the beginning.