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[shintakie]

So for pretty much every mechwarrior game I can think of that gave me the option I've piloted an Uziel. The fact that it could take a decent poundin, move incredibly fast for a medium mech, have incredible mobility with jump jets, and packed a nice punch with dual ppcs was far too attractive for me to even want to play anythin else. In earlier games the only time I would even switch away from my beloved Uziel was if it was literally impossible to finish a mission with anythin lighter than an assault mech and even then I'd only switch up to a heavy (vulture to be precise) because I so very dislike the incredibly slow top speed of even the fastest assault mech.

However...now I've run into a fairly large issue. The first Uziel doesn't show up in the universe until...what was it...14 years I think after the start date of MWO. Unless they plan on doin huge jumps in the timeline really soon, it'll be a very long time before I even get to see an Uziel, let alone pilot one. Bein that I only have experience with the Mechwarrior games I have very little knowledge about mechs outside of the very few that I bothered usin so I figured I'd ask the community here a question.

If the mech I'm most familiar with usin is an Uziel, are there any mechs that will be available durin the current timeline of MWO that I would actually feel comfortable pilotin or am I just outta luck in that regard until it actually shows up in game?

[Hayden]

shintakie, on 11 November 2011 - 04:32 PM, said:

So for pretty much every mechwarrior game I can think of that gave me the option I've piloted an Uziel. The fact that it could take a decent poundin, move incredibly fast for a medium mech, have incredible mobility with jump jets, and packed a nice punch with dual ppcs was far too attractive for me to even want to play anythin else. In earlier games the only time I would even switch away from my beloved Uziel was if it was literally impossible to finish a mission with anythin lighter than an assault mech and even then I'd only switch up to a heavy (vulture to be precise) because I so very dislike the incredibly slow top speed of even the fastest assault mech.

However...now I've run into a fairly large issue. The first Uziel doesn't show up in the universe until...what was it...14 years I think after the start date of MWO. Unless they plan on doin huge jumps in the timeline really soon, it'll be a very long time before I even get to see an Uziel, let alone pilot one. Bein that I only have experience with the Mechwarrior games I have very little knowledge about mechs outside of the very few that I bothered usin so I figured I'd ask the community here a question.

If the mech I'm most familiar with usin is an Uziel, are there any mechs that will be available durin the current timeline of MWO that I would actually feel comfortable pilotin or am I just outta luck in that regard until it actually shows up in game?

For medium IS 'mechs the Assassin and Clint come to mind as capable of striking at near and distant ranges while moving fast. The Pheonix Hawk is also decent for this, but is currently "unseen" so it may not be an option.

EDIT: Stats
The early Assassin can hit 118 KPH, and carries a medium laser, LRM 5 and SRM 2. Can jump.
The upgraded Assassin can go as fast, and carries a medium pulse laser and LRM 5 w/ Artemis IV. Can jump.

The early Clint can run up to 97.2 KPH, carries an AC/5 and two medium lasers. Can jump.
The upgraded Clint goes as fast, and carries an ERPPC and two medium pulse lasers. can jump.

The early Pheonix Hawk can run up to 97.2 KPH, carries a large laser, two medium lasers and two machine guns. Can jump.
The upgraded Pheonix Hawk runs as fast, carries two ER Large lasers, two medium pulse lasers, an AMS, and an MG.
Can jump.

Edited by hayden, 11 November 2011 - 05:06 PM.

[Amechwarrior]

Ouch, not much can match dual PPCs and jets in the meduim class in 3050, you may have to look heavier for that kind of firepower. However you might want to look into the Enforcer the large laser and 10 class autocannon(standard or LBX depending on variant) have that dual punch similar to 2 PPCs, but they do not exactly have the same range brackets. On the other hand, the AC/10 is far cooler running then the PPC. The Enforcer also has jump jets, and a small laser to round out the guns. This is the closest thing I could find to match the Uziel and the type of play it you favor in the 3025-3050 mediums. However, this and the other designs I link to are not speed demons, only average for their class.

You might also look at the Trebuchet if you want good dual long range weapons, but it is more like a smaller Catapult without the jump jets but slightly faster. In addition to the tried and true designs others have posted try the Centurion a good all around design with strong weapons in each range bracket.

Edited by Amechwarrior, 11 November 2011 - 05:01 PM.

[shintakie]

That Clint looks decent. Far cry damage wise from what I'd be used to, but the speed is perfect. That Enforcer though would be perfect damage wise and range wise as well, if a bit slow. Actually...both of those would probably be perfect depending on the map and lance composition. Thanks!

Edit - If it does make it into the game, the Phoenix Hawk would probably be a go to choice though. I love my energy weapons, heh.

Edited by shintakie, 11 November 2011 - 05:18 PM.

[T S Hawk]

Look into the Blackjack as well for a medium mech. Lose the jump jets and up the engine you can get a medium size Warhammer with a 5/8 engine and decent armor to take on the heavies toe to toe

[Cyttorak]

If Star League mechs are available, the Crab comes close to what you like...no jump jets, but good ground speed.
The Vindicator is also a good choice, as well as the Griffin.

[Joachim Viltry]

Also, worth mentioning is the Vindicator it is quite a bit slower than you are used to (same speed as the Enforcer), but it has a solid loadout for the period. Jump jets, PPC, lrm 5, medium laser, and a small laser; all in a 45 ton chassis.

The Enforcer is a Solid all rounder, and both its AC and LL have the same range envelope. the Centurion is also Excellent, as it can provide some solid LRM support wile still being a good front line machine (fluff wise it is meant to work in tandem with a Trebuchet).

Edited by Joachim Viltry, 11 November 2011 - 05:38 PM.

[Hodo]

UM-R60 Urbanmech

Its the cheapest mech ever produced. It has decent armor for its size. It has a good gun. And it has jump jets.

[Zakatak]

Check out the Clint 2-3U.

ER-PPC and twin Medium Pulsers, moves at 97kp/h and jumps like the Uziel. This is just by the BT canon, Mechwarrior usually amps up mech firepower and armor significantly.

[TheForce]

I'd love to see the enforcer and vindicator in the game!

If you want to go heavier and slower, Grasshopper can jump and packs a lot of energy weapons.

[saint71]

A Enforcer will be as close as you can get with fire power and armor. She's a tad slow for her weight class but the jump jets help.

If speed is a must look at the Pheonix Hawk (if we are lucky) or Clint, fire power and armor are lighter but they are good scout leaders.

[feor]

Based on your stated preferences, I'd say your best bet would probably be the Griffin, actually.

It's one of the old unseen, but it is IIRC a Crusher Joe unseen, so it's legit again and thus likely to be in game.
It's a shade slower than the Uziel (86Km/h vs 97Km/h) but fully jump capable.
It was considered the staple mech of the Lyran Commonwealth, to the point that a pair of Griffins were kept in the Archon's throne room until the Fed Com civil war when they were replaced by Fafnirs.
The most common variant in 3050 was the Marik designed 3M, which had an ERPPC, an LRM/20, and a backup small laser.

http://www.solaris7....Info.asp?ID=604

Could easily swap the LRM/20 down to a 15 or 10 for some more secondary weapons.

[Belial]

I'm pretty much in the same boat as the OP. However, I do have experience with other medium 'Mechs of the game's era, and would recommend to OP the Clint or Blackjack, any model, should they be available.

feor, on 11 November 2011 - 07:47 PM, said:

Based on your stated preferences, I'd say your best bet would probably be the Griffin, actually.

It's one of the old unseen, but it is IIRC a Crusher Joe unseen, so it's legit again and thus likely to be in game.
It's a shade slower than the Uziel (86Km/h vs 97Km/h) but fully jump capable.
It was considered the staple mech of the Lyran Commonwealth, to the point that a pair of Griffins were kept in the Archon's throne room until the Fed Com civil war when they were replaced by Fafnirs.
The most common variant in 3050 was the Marik designed 3M, which had an ERPPC, an LRM/20, and a backup small laser.

http://www.solaris7....Info.asp?ID=604

Could easily swap the LRM/20 down to a 15 or 10 for some more secondary weapons.

Somehow overlooked this post. Good advice, feor.

Edited by Belial, 11 November 2011 - 10:40 PM.

[Woodstock]

I would also go with the Blackjack ... but not the standard variant but the BJ-1DB.

This one trades the AC/2's for large lasers.

Its not stupidly fast but it is jump capable and has paired large and med lasers. (with extra heat sinks)

edit: It even becomes an omni mech in 3058

Edited by woodstock, 11 November 2011 - 11:33 PM.

[Haydin]

Going to echo the suggestion of Crab, (good landspeed and laser loadout, but no jump jets), the enforcer or the blackjack (slower, but jump capable). Crab is probably closest to what you want though. The enforcer has a fairly small ammo bin for it's autocannon, and the blackjack is probably going to be a lot less durable than you're used to. On a similar note, I just checked and it looks like the crab is actually slightly BETTER armored than the uziel.

[Stormwolf]

I'd suggest the following (many people already mentioned them):

1. Crab CRB-27 http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Crab
2. Clint CLNT-2-3U http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Clint
3. Vindicator VND-3L http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Vindicator
4. Adder (if you went with the Clans) http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Adder

[ice trey]

Hey Shintakie.

If you would like my advice, I'm a long-time player of the tabletop, and have been a religious follower of the Mechwarrior series since I first tried Mechwarrior 2 as an eight-year-old child. When it comes to 'mechs, I have many memorized by heart.

First of all, considering when this game will be set, to get a nice idea of what kinds of 'mechs you will find in this game, I suggest you take a look at Battletech Techical Readout 3039, or the articles as listed on Sarna.net

http://www.sarna.net...l_Readout:_3039

As for a 'mech sufficient to your tastes, I'm going to point a few of the following things out

In this era of play, finding 'mechs that move faster than 64 kPh is actually rather rare, as the engine weight used up by such designs ends up handicapping it in every other regard. This means that many Mediums are just as slow as the heavies, and sometimes, the assaults.

If you like a good scoot-n-shooter, I would recommend the Vindicator. One PPC, backed up by an LRM5, medium laser, and small laser, but it's very heat-efficient, has great mobility, and the PPC has above-average hitting power for most medium 'mechs. It's a bit slower, but I'd also recommend the Enforcer. It's got a large laser and an AC10, meaning you've got a lot of punch on that chassis. It's slower, but it's also jump-capable, so it's worth noting.

If you're more into skirmishing and outrunning your opponents, the Dragon is probably well suited to your needs. It's got an LRM10 and AC5 for hitting at range, backed up by a medium laser, with a second one on the back (We'll just wait and see how MWO addresses rear-firing weapons). Still, at 86kPh, it's a good and speedy design with adequate armor. All depending on how it works, you might want to try something like the Quickdraw. It's a very different weapons profile than the Uziel, but in spite of it's derpy-looking design, it's quite durable, the most maneuverable heavy in the (early) game, and is well suited to short-ranged brawls that I think this game will focus on.

Lastly, I have a feeling that if it appears at all in the game, the Crab would be a ride you'd enjoy. Twin large lasers, backed up by a medium and small. It can have heat issues and it's legs look pretty silly, but it's a good, solid 'mech with no ammo-explosion concerns.

[Adridos]

I will too need a bit of help with deciding which mech to choose. I would like medium, maybe heavy mech, but I didn't find any, that I liked when looking on sarna, so I have no idea, what to choose (let alone the fact my mech will probably won't get to the final game). What mech would be good? I like it looking good, medium mobility and some good weapons. Is there any mech suiting my prefferences? Thank you guys for helping me out, I'm desperate.

[Hagan]

Try the Shadow Hawk a decent mid weight recon and strike mech.
The design is just what your looking for, and with some modification can do what the Uziel does, only better. With the added bonus of some short ranged back up firepower and the ability to replace the AC/5 with a PPC and extra heat sinks, all with those jump jets and armour your looking for, its should be in your top 5 list.

[Amechwarrior]

Adridos, on 12 November 2011 - 03:00 AM, said:

I will too need a bit of help with deciding which mech to choose. I would like medium, maybe heavy mech, but I didn't find any, that I liked when looking on sarna, so I have no idea, what to choose (let alone the fact my mech will probably won't get to the final game). What mech would be good? I like it looking good, medium mobility and some good weapons. Is there any mech suiting my prefferences? Thank you guys for helping me out, I'm desperate.

Medium or heavy with OK speed and OK guns? Why not Zoidberg?

Jokes aside, most 'mechs of this time and tech level will go a max of 64-84kph. You can expect most heavies to be 64. Classic designs like the Warhammer and Marauder have this speed and legendary reputations as fan favorites, workhorse designs seen in every faction and that they are just plain good. At point blank to extreme range these are the two most iconic "Unseen" 'mechs and arguably just as iconic as the Timber Wolf despite being out of circulation for 10 years or more.

Other great heavy designs are the Orion the original "Assault 'Mech" and the Grand Dragon a long range 'mech that is faster then average.

Also take another look at a lot of the mediums posted in this thread, everyone above has done a great job of posting the big names in that weight class.