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[Dawnstealer]

Is the "10 heatsinks" thing going to apply to the Locust? I'm getting some ridiculous efficiencies (140%+) with the full ten. I'd love to run a Locust like this:

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...4312ed76b33c8e2

(of course, I'll find a place for that .5-ish, but this is what I'm looking at)

[Hexenhammer]

Let's ask the all knowing FAQ what unique means :

Quote

Q: How are the Phoenix Battlemechs cosmetically and functionally different from the Mechs already in-game?
A: The Phoenix Variants of each Project Phoenix Battlemech comes packed with the following cosmetic and functional perks:
Unique and Exclusive Custom Designed Exterior
30% C-Bill boost
10% Loyalty Point Boost
Important! These Phoenix Variants will NEVER again be available to purchase or to unlock once the sale offer has ended.

1. Phoenix mech hard points are NOT unique. The BTL-1G is a factory default model
2 . There will be Hero versions of the reseen/Phoenix mechs! And shock of shocks hero mechs do have unique hard points!

Edited by Hexenhammer, 07 October 2013 - 12:02 PM.

[QuackAttack]

Heffay, on 05 October 2013 - 10:23 AM, said:

One person claimed that he personally knew 300 people who got their refunds for the Phoenix package. Garth Erlam came back and laughed, saying the actually number was nowhere near that.

So I think we can safely say less than 300 people. Probably significantly less than 1% if I had to guess. And even then, a big chunk of those refunds came for reasons other than dissatisfaction with the game, and were reasons like "Wife saw credit card statement. Money needed for divorce lawyer."

My purchase of a PS2 years ago was cited in my divorce from my first wife. Best purchase I ever made

[Thanatos676]

I had to get a refund due to needing RL money. In a stroke of luck i was able to repurchase the overlord package (after getting some help from support) and am content.

[Blackfire1]

>.> They got me because they are giving me one of my all time favorite medium mechs.....
But it was an addon.

[Navy Sixes]

Galil Nain, on 06 October 2013 - 09:55 AM, said:

Would it not be fair to give them a little more notice to scrape the funds together to be able to buy-in and at least have a chance at competing?

Damn it, NO! It's bad enough that in 8 days all we're gonna see is white, black, and orange phoenix mechs... and with that C-Bill bonus, suddenly the grind will be getting less complaints... it's time to close up shop and make all the newcomers/ rage-funders pine with regret...

Just kidding. As long as I get me mechs, and their hit boxes/scale are not borked, I don't care how long PP goes on. Although I can't wait to see what the next big project will be (Panther/Phoenix Hawk/Marauder... pleasepleasepleaseplease...) once it's over.

[Jack Gallows]

PGI still can't use the Macross Unseen. No Phoenix Hawk, Warhammer, Marauder, etc.

Edited by Jack Gallows, 07 October 2013 - 12:57 PM.

[Ryue]

Jack Gallows, on 07 October 2013 - 12:39 PM, said:

PGI still can't use the Macross Unseen. No Phoenix Hawk, Warhammer, Marauder, etc.

Which I still find strange as the shadowhawk (the original concept of him) is also based on a macross mecha (and upgrade to the normal valkyrie mech I think SAP or SAP armor...don't remember atm)........so if its possible for the shd why not for those to just get new designs and get them in

[Jack Gallows]

Phoenix Hawk is the Super Veritech.

Shadow Hawk is from Dougram.

ALL INFO IS FROM SARNA, I TAKE NO CREDIT FOR THE FOLLOWING

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Unseen

List of Unseen designs

The Unseen designs, and their origins, are:
From Crusher Joe

• Ostall

Locust :Reseen as of Record Sheets: Operation Klondike



Locust IIC

• Siren

Corsair AeroSpace Fighter :Reseen as of Record Sheets: Operation Klondike

• Harpy

Samurai AerosSpace Fighter

• Mix of Siren and Harpy

Sparrowhawk AeroSpace Fighter

• Galleon Tank

Galleon Tank

• Minerva

Leopard DropShip





From Macross

• VF-1 Valkyrie

This 'Mech from the Super Dimension Fortress Macross series normally transformed into the three combat modes recognized in BattleTech by Land Air 'Mechs. Within the BattleTech game this one vehicle was split into distinct non-transformable 'Mechs models and LAM models. The LAMs, true to their artistic origin, could transform into aerospace fighter, hybrid, and 'Mech mode. Stinger VF-1A Stinger LAM - LAM model of above, illustrated in LAM or Hybrid mode Wasp VF-1S Wasp LAM - LAM model of above illustrated in LAM or Hybrid mode Super Wasp Valkyrie VF-1S Phoenix Hawk - VF-1S with FAST Packs Phoenix Hawk IIC - VF-1S :Reseen under a new agreement Phoenix Hawk LAM - LAM model of above illustrated in LAM or Hybrid mode Crusader - Armored VF-1A, ^[2] Falcon :Reseen as of Record Sheets: Operation Klondike (From BattleDroids) Firebee (From BattleDroids) Hornet (From BattleDroids)

• Zentraedi "Regult" Tactical Battle Pod

Ostroc :Reseen as of Historical Turning Points: Misery




Ostol
Ostscout - Regult Scout Pod

• HWR-00-Mk. II Monster Heavy Weight Destroid

Behemoth

• MBR-07-Mk II Spartan Main Battle Destroid

Archer

• MBR-04-Mk VI Tomahawk Main Battle Destroid

Warhammer




Warhammer IIC :Reseen under a new agreement

• MBR-04-Mk X Defender Anti-Aircraft Defense Destroid

Rifleman




Rifleman IIC :Reseen under a new agreement

• SDR-04-Mk XII Phalanx Space Defense Destroid

Longbow

• Zentraedi "Glaug" Officer's Battle Pod

Marauder




Marauder II
Marauder IIC :Reseen under a new agreement

From Dougram

• Dougram

Shadow Hawk :Reseen as of Record Sheets: Operation Klondike




Shadow Hawk IIC :Reseen under a new agreement

• H8 Roundfacer

Griffin :Reseen as of Record Sheets: Operation Klondike




Griffin IIC :Reseen under a new agreement

• F35C Blizzard Gunner

Scorpion

• T10B Blockhead

Wolverine

• F4X Ironfoot

Thunderbolt :Reseen as of Record Sheets: Operation Klondike and Historical Turning Points: Galtor

• F44A Crab Gunner

Goliath

• HT128 Bigfoot

Battlemaster



Battlemaster IIC :Reseen under a new agreement


From Victor Musical Industries

These have been temporary Unseen, until becoming Reseen. Conjurer (Hellhound) Glass Spider (Galahad) Howler (Baboon) Bane (Kraken) Vapor Eagle (Goshawk) Black Python (Viper) Stone Rhino (Behemoth) Incubus (Vixen) Raijin Grand Crusader Nexus

*Edit* fixed some pasting errors. Sarna is also not up to date on the entry for the Shadow Hawk as it's also a reseen design. Only the Macross machines are currently off limits. I will say it's rather peculiar that the Marauder has been seen on the cover of some recent books, but it's been the only one.

Would be quite a coup if PGI could deliver on a Warhammer.

Edited by Jack Gallows, 07 October 2013 - 08:15 PM.

[Xeno Phalcon]

Im patient enough to wait for them to pop out on the freebie schedule, maybe when the clan options roll along they will have more of a 'pay for what you want' approach instead, I just hope that us 'reaching' the flame pattern dosnt mean this method was successful enough that all future promotion packs will be like this.

I can see it now

$100! Dire Wolf, War Hawk, Shadowcat and Kit Fox!

$80 War Hawk, Timber Wolf and Kit Fox!

$60 Timber Wolf and Kit fox!

$40 Kit Fox!

Special Progress bar! Stage 1 Clan Insignias! Stage 2 Clan Colors! Stage 3 Non-combat Elemental Pet!

Second wave pack two months later! Order now for Shadow Hawk and Puma!

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Seriously just let me fork up $25 for Timber Wolf and get it over with.

[Jack Gallows]

Shadowcat isn't in the timeline for showing up in the Inner Sphere until the Battle of Luthien.

It'll probably be, or at least I'd imagine

Dire Wolf
Timber Wolf
Stormcrow or Nova
Kit Fox

Though I agree, would rather them not keep going for the extra packs like the Saber but I think that was rushed out to help stem losses from refunds.

Edited by Jack Gallows, 07 October 2013 - 01:20 PM.

[Koniving]

Jack Gallows, on 07 October 2013 - 01:06 PM, said:

Spoiler

Phoenix Hawk is the Super Veritech.

Shadow Hawk is from Dougram.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Unseen

List of Unseen designs

The Unseen designs, and their origins, are:
From Crusher Joe

• Ostall

Locust :Reseen as of Record Sheets: Operation Klondike



Locust IIC

• Siren

Corsair AeroSpace Fighter :Reseen as of Record Sheets: Operation Klondike

• Harpy

Samurai AerosSpace Fighter

• Mix of Siren and Harpy

Sparrowhawk AeroSpace Fighter

• Galleon Tank

Galleon Tank

• Minerva

Leopard DropShip





From Macross

• VF-1 Valkyrie

This 'Mech from the Super Dimension Fortress Macross series normally transformed into the three combat modes recognized in BattleTech by Land Air 'Mechs. Within the BattleTech game this one vehicle was split into distinct non-transformable 'Mechs models and LAM models. The LAMs, true to their artistic origin, could transform into aerospace fighter, hybrid, and 'Mech mode. Stinger VF-1A Stinger LAM - LAM model of above, illustrated in LAM or Hybrid mode Wasp VF-1S Wasp LAM - LAM model of above illustrated in LAM or Hybrid mode Super Wasp Valkyrie VF-1S Phoenix Hawk - VF-1S with FAST Packs Phoenix Hawk IIC - VF-1S :Reseen under a new agreement Phoenix Hawk LAM - LAM model of above illustrated in LAM or Hybrid mode Crusader - Armored VF-1A, ^[2] Falcon :Reseen as of Record Sheets: Operation Klondike (From BattleDroids) Firebee (From BattleDroids) Hornet (From BattleDroids)

• Zentraedi "Regult" Tactical Battle Pod

Ostroc :Reseen as of Historical Turning Points: Misery




Ostol
Ostscout - Regult Scout Pod

• HWR-00-Mk. II Monster Heavy Weight Destroid

Behemoth

• MBR-07-Mk II Spartan Main Battle Destroid

Archer

• MBR-04-Mk VI Tomahawk Main Battle Destroid

Warhammer




Warhammer IIC :Reseen under a new agreement

• MBR-04-Mk X Defender Anti-Aircraft Defense Destroid

Rifleman




Rifleman IIC :Reseen under a new agreement

• SDR-04-Mk XII Phalanx Space Defense Destroid

Longbow

• Zentraedi "Glaug" Officer's Battle Pod

Marauder




Marauder II
Marauder IIC :Reseen under a new agreement

From Dougram

• Dougram

Shadow Hawk :Reseen as of Record Sheets: Operation Klondike




Shadow Hawk IIC :Reseen under a new agreement

• H8 Roundfacer

Griffin :Reseen as of Record Sheets: Operation Klondike




Griffin IIC :Reseen under a new agreement

• F35C Blizzard Gunner

Scorpion

• T10B Blockhead

Wolverine

• F4X Ironfoot

Thunderbolt :Reseen as of Record Sheets: Operation Klondike and Historical Turning Points: Galtor

• F44A Crab Gunner

Goliath

• HT128 Bigfoot

Battlemaster



Battlemaster IIC :Reseen under a new agreement


From Victor Musical Industries

These have been temporary Unseen, until becoming Reseen. Conjurer (Hellhound) Glass Spider (Galahad) Howler (Baboon) Bane (Kraken) Vapor Eagle (Goshawk) Black Python (Viper) Stone Rhino (Behemoth) Incubus (Vixen) Raijin Grand Crusader Nexus

*Edit* fixed some pasting errors. Sarna is also not up to date on the entry for the Shadow Hawk as it's also a reseen design. Only the Macross machines are currently off limits. I will say it's rather peculiar that the Marauder has been seen on the cover of some recent books, but it's been the only one.

Would be quite a coup if PGI could deliver on a Warhammer.

You've given me a list of shows to watch. Thank you.

[Wintersdark]

Jack Gallows, on 07 October 2013 - 01:06 PM, said:

Spoiler

Phoenix Hawk is the Super Veritech.

Shadow Hawk is from Dougram.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Unseen

List of Unseen designs

The Unseen designs, and their origins, are:
From Crusher Joe

• Ostall

Locust :Reseen as of Record Sheets: Operation Klondike



Locust IIC

• Siren

Corsair AeroSpace Fighter :Reseen as of Record Sheets: Operation Klondike

• Harpy

Samurai AerosSpace Fighter

• Mix of Siren and Harpy

Sparrowhawk AeroSpace Fighter

• Galleon Tank

Galleon Tank

• Minerva

Leopard DropShip





From Macross

• VF-1 Valkyrie

This 'Mech from the Super Dimension Fortress Macross series normally transformed into the three combat modes recognized in BattleTech by Land Air 'Mechs. Within the BattleTech game this one vehicle was split into distinct non-transformable 'Mechs models and LAM models. The LAMs, true to their artistic origin, could transform into aerospace fighter, hybrid, and 'Mech mode. Stinger VF-1A Stinger LAM - LAM model of above, illustrated in LAM or Hybrid mode Wasp VF-1S Wasp LAM - LAM model of above illustrated in LAM or Hybrid mode Super Wasp Valkyrie VF-1S Phoenix Hawk - VF-1S with FAST Packs Phoenix Hawk IIC - VF-1S :Reseen under a new agreement Phoenix Hawk LAM - LAM model of above illustrated in LAM or Hybrid mode Crusader - Armored VF-1A, ^[2] Falcon :Reseen as of Record Sheets: Operation Klondike (From BattleDroids) Firebee (From BattleDroids) Hornet (From BattleDroids)

• Zentraedi "Regult" Tactical Battle Pod

Ostroc :Reseen as of Historical Turning Points: Misery




Ostol
Ostscout - Regult Scout Pod

• HWR-00-Mk. II Monster Heavy Weight Destroid

Behemoth

• MBR-07-Mk II Spartan Main Battle Destroid

Archer

• MBR-04-Mk VI Tomahawk Main Battle Destroid

Warhammer




Warhammer IIC :Reseen under a new agreement

• MBR-04-Mk X Defender Anti-Aircraft Defense Destroid

Rifleman




Rifleman IIC :Reseen under a new agreement

• SDR-04-Mk XII Phalanx Space Defense Destroid

Longbow

• Zentraedi "Glaug" Officer's Battle Pod

Marauder




Marauder II
Marauder IIC :Reseen under a new agreement

From Dougram

• Dougram

Shadow Hawk :Reseen as of Record Sheets: Operation Klondike




Shadow Hawk IIC :Reseen under a new agreement

• H8 Roundfacer

Griffin :Reseen as of Record Sheets: Operation Klondike




Griffin IIC :Reseen under a new agreement

• F35C Blizzard Gunner

Scorpion

• T10B Blockhead

Wolverine

• F4X Ironfoot

Thunderbolt :Reseen as of Record Sheets: Operation Klondike and Historical Turning Points: Galtor

• F44A Crab Gunner

Goliath

• HT128 Bigfoot

Battlemaster



Battlemaster IIC :Reseen under a new agreement


From Victor Musical Industries

These have been temporary Unseen, until becoming Reseen. Conjurer (Hellhound) Glass Spider (Galahad) Howler (Baboon) Bane (Kraken) Vapor Eagle (Goshawk) Black Python (Viper) Stone Rhino (Behemoth) Incubus (Vixen) Raijin Grand Crusader Nexus

*Edit* fixed some pasting errors. Sarna is also not up to date on the entry for the Shadow Hawk as it's also a reseen design. Only the Macross machines are currently off limits. I will say it's rather peculiar that the Marauder has been seen on the cover of some recent books, but it's been the only one.

Would be quite a coup if PGI could deliver on a Warhammer.

That was a very awesome overview, thanks!!

And yeah... While I honestly don't think we'll ever see a Marauder, or Warhammer given how the IP is in the hands of notoriously litigious ******* who are actively using it in the creation of a movie, I'd so drop cash immediately if they somehow managed it.

...I'll watch the aforementioned movie, though, in a heartbeat

[Jack Gallows]

Koniving, on 07 October 2013 - 06:06 PM, said:

You've given me a list of shows to watch. Thank you.

You know, I should probably check them out as well to see what the original designs were like in their original shows. I've only seen Robotech/Macross.

Wintersdark, on 07 October 2013 - 08:04 PM, said:

That was a very awesome overview, thanks!!

And yeah... While I honestly don't think we'll ever see a Marauder, or Warhammer given how the IP is in the hands of notoriously litigious ******* who are actively using it in the creation of a movie, I'd so drop cash immediately if they somehow managed it.

...I'll watch the aforementioned movie, though, in a heartbeat

Well, all I did was quote from the Sarna.net article, so the thanks really rests with those who made the article.

If what I hear is correct Harmony Gold's in a lawsuit of it's own, it was only licensed to release the show in the states/etc and may have overstepped it's boundaries as I think the original owners of the Robotech/Macross IP isn't actually around anymore so it's some kind of insanely convoluted mess right now who owns what/is allowed to do what. Best hope we can have is HG goes under and the designs might see the light of day if Catalyst can negotiate using the images from the actual owners.

Pipe dream, but it might happen. In the end...I just want to see Alex Iglesias concept arts even if they never make it into game. For me, every 'mech he touches turns to gold. As for a Robotech movie...isn't Leonardo DiCaprio in talks to star in it with Tobey McGuire attached to either direct or produce it?


On topic, I'd imagine the end sale date would be near Christmas if only to snag last minute buyers after they see the 'mechs in game. Might even be November to allow for a month after the actual 'mechs being placed in game then gives them time to set up all sorts of deals/etc for Xmas.

Edited by Jack Gallows, 07 October 2013 - 08:23 PM.

[Koniving]

Jack Gallows, on 07 October 2013 - 08:16 PM, said:

You know, I should probably check them out as well to see what the original designs were like in their original shows. I've only seen Robotech/Macross.

Same. And I barely made it through the first robotech. Oddly enough I did not know about the Marauder design being in it, so when I saw it I suddenly got over how old/bad the animation was and the huge size difference in characters. "Holy ----! That's a Marauder! Oh wow!" I didn't know Macross and Robotech were the same show.

Wintersdark, on 07 October 2013 - 08:04 PM, said:

And yeah... While I honestly don't think we'll ever see a Marauder, or Warhammer.

A Marauder could legally be made quite easily. It'd need only minor changes to the overall design. For example the turret mounted on the left or right torso instead of the center is an easy fix (and preferable considering). The arms would most likely be very similar to the Cataphract. Overall the body would be blockier with armored plating.

I don't think anyone would complain if the arms did not hang below the knees as often depicted (low-hanging arm complaints, anyone?) so there is that, too.

My question would be what might the cockpit look like, as I can't recall if the Marauder had a visible one. For some reason I can only recall a sleek solid body with no transparent steel, but I'm recalling the Marauder from the old MW 3050 game for the SNES.

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Also having faced one with a stock Atlas K in megamek (a digital BT TT), I'm not terribly impressed with the Marauder. I fried it pretty bad and meanwhile used the rear-mounted medium pulse lasers to headshot a Mercury behind my Atlas.

In the words of my opponent: "You would be every technician's dream. An Atlas pilot that can bring an Atlas through a battle with multiple kills virtually unblemished."

Though playing it... I gotta say I want a crab and a Quickdraw with rear mounted weapons. I kept throwing my QD between two enemies to hit them both at the same time over and over. And I was quite impressed when the crab started firing 90 degrees left and right at the same time and scored some good hits.

Looking forward to facing off against the King Crab, Griffin, Wolverine, Battlemaster, Thunderbolt, Locust, and Shadowhawk in megamek soon to see how they perform on the tabletop.

Here's to hoping for the crab and king crab in the near future.

Edited by Koniving, 07 October 2013 - 08:30 PM.

[Warge]

Toadkillerdog, on 04 October 2013 - 06:35 PM, said:

So many of them screamed they were getting refunds, showing them how few, loud, and obnoxious they are would be a much deserved slap in their faces

The majority did not require refund? So they don't care about BT. They are "just another players"...

Edited by Warge, 07 October 2013 - 08:30 PM.

[Jack Gallows]

Koniving, on 07 October 2013 - 08:22 PM, said:

A Marauder could legally be made quite easily. It'd need only minor changes to the overall design.

Well, they tried doing that once with the original Project Phoenix except some of them were utterly horrible (including the Marauders.) It seems that they mostly want to avoid going near the Macross unseens just to avoid legal red tape until they're 100% sure it's ok. I don't blame them.

Example, Experimental Tech Readout Marauder, book isn't even a year old.

Koniving, on 07 October 2013 - 08:22 PM, said:

Looking forward to facing off against the King Crab, Griffin, Wolverine, Battlemaster, Thunderbolt, Locust, and Shadowhawk in megamek soon to see how they perform on the tabletop.

Here's to hoping for the crab and king crab in the near future.

It's fun to remember how certain 'mechs fared so much better in TT then they ever will in MW:O. Wolverine is a lot more dangerous then it's going to be in MW:O as it's a nasty medium 'mech, just like how the Orion is a scary heavy in TT.

King Crab won't make it in for a LOOONG time. There are no 'mechs with their lower actuators removed...and the King Crab has it's removed to fit AC/20's in the arms. It would require you to have three separate reticules and special 'mechbay rules.

[Koniving]

Jack Gallows, on 07 October 2013 - 08:36 PM, said:

It's fun to remember how certain 'mechs fared so much better in TT then they ever will in MW:O. Wolverine is a lot more dangerous then it's going to be in MW:O as it's a nasty medium 'mech, just like how the Orion is a scary heavy in TT.

King Crab won't make it in for a LOOONG time. There are no 'mechs with their lower actuators removed...and the King Crab has it's removed to fit AC/20's in the arms. It would require you to have three separate reticules and special 'mechbay rules.

Everyone's thermal limit is 30 in TT, so every mech fared better but would be slaughtered in seconds in MWO. (Some of my mechs hit in the high 80s for thresholds).

But we both know MWO won't bother with separate rules. Also the King Crab still has both its lower arm actuators and its hands, and instead uses split-criticals. In MWO there's one of two solutions for this.

• Option 1: Simply remove the lower arm actuators and hand actuators -- the game won't know any better and the arm movement rules are not determined by the actuators but by settings put in by PGI.
  
• Option 2: Subtract crit limits from the side torsos and add them to the arms.

The crab and king crab special abilities 'could' be done in MWO but likely never will be put in and instead replaced with torso twist.

(Also... "no mechs with their lower arm actuators removed" I'm assuming you mean in MWO? Dragons had it removed for a bit before being added in. Centurion AH and Yen Lo Wang. Every Victor. Highlander 733C. Stalkers, Jenners, Jagermechs, Blackjacks just to name a few.)

I agree (and in a past post on a previous page you'll find me saying it) that all weapons not mounted on arms with lower arm actuators (and turrets) should have separate reticles and fire in parallel rather than converged. But it isn't happening here.

Edited by Koniving, 07 October 2013 - 08:50 PM.

[Jack Gallows]

Ah, yeah I was confusing it with another design, the split criticals was one of the issues. I just don't think they'd take the time anytime soon to deal with finding out how to make it work (unless they moved the AC/20s to the side torsos..but that'd have it's own share of issues) versus adding something easier.

[The Reaper Beckons]

QuackAttack, on 07 October 2013 - 11:26 AM, said:

My purchase of a PS2 years ago was cited in my divorce from my first wife. Best purchase I ever made

Bwahahaha.

Mate, that is AWESOME. That made me laugh so hard