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[Kutfroat]

just this. let premades try to inflate their elo lvl by farming other premades. it works for league of legends, so make it work here. can´t be this hard. i´m fine with waiting longer. at least matches will have the chance to be balanced and fun.

[Adiuvo]

Look at the Comstar NA and EU TS. Look at at the Creddit TS. Look at Lowtax, Kong, whatever... those are these scary premades people complain about. Most of them are just random people who get together for a few matches to have fun. The majority are not groups who run around in 4 Highlanders all day.

Edited by Adiuvo, 16 October 2013 - 12:48 PM.

[Homeless Bill]

I vote no. The playerbase isn't large enough and it would take even longer to find matches. I PUG most of the time, and it's just not that big of a deal. Corral your PUGs in chat and you'll win 2/3 times.

[Purlana]

Matches are balanced and fun. Especially when PUG players march right into the firing squad with an elevated position. The problem isn't Pre-Made groups the problem is we have too many sheep on the battlefield

Edited by Purlana, 16 October 2013 - 02:00 PM.

[Corrado]

Purlana, on 16 October 2013 - 01:58 PM, said:

Matches are balanced and fun.

Team1:

Alpha lance premade: LRM boat,spider5D,spider5K,spider5K (in comms)
Bravo lance premade: Atlas DC, atlas DC, AC40 jag, AC40 jag (in comms)
Charlie lance: pugs... some poptart(d)s, some kintaros...

Team2:

Alpha, bravo and charlie, all pugs.. maybe even without a DC atlas or any ECM scout.

Guess who'll win.

[wintersborn]

I vote yes until they get in game team and lance voice chat.

[xMEPHISTOx]

Adiuvo, on 16 October 2013 - 12:48 PM, said:

Look at the Comstar NA and EU TS. Look at at the Creddit TS. Look at Lowtax, Kong, whatever... those are these scary premades people complain about. Most of them are just random people who get together for a few matches to have fun. The majority are not groups who run around in 4 Highlanders all day.

Homeless Bill, on 16 October 2013 - 01:32 PM, said:

I vote no. The playerbase isn't large enough and it would take even longer to find matches. I PUG most of the time, and it's just not that big of a deal. Corral your PUGs in chat and you'll win 2/3 times.

^^^^Pretty much nails it.
Why there are so many that make no effort to jump on comstar or ngng to play in pickup groups is beyond me. And if choose to run solo should simply take the lumps for doing so, and stop whining about it. It is your choice to play that way. It is a game based on team play and as such there is no need to cater to those who choose to play with themselves.

wintersborn, on 16 October 2013 - 02:04 PM, said:

I vote yes until they get in game team and lance voice chat.

They have that in wot and no one ever used/uses it (unless its to annoy people with childish noises making us all turn it off ). Would be nice to think it would be different here but I doubt it.

[Wispsy]

League only does that for ranked queue and we have no ranked...if you just want to drop and play with friends, you can drop and play with friends, up to all 5 against 5 randoms, even in ranked you can queue with 2 people for a 5man team...that is slightly more of the team then you can put together now in the normal queue!

Most premades have premades balancing them, just most are also normal players who have bad games too. Some are more organised then others...just how people work. What is more, they are not impossible to beat even if you queue alone.

[Roland]

Homeless Bill, on 16 October 2013 - 01:32 PM, said:

I vote no. The playerbase isn't large enough and it would take even longer to find matches. I PUG most of the time, and it's just not that big of a deal. Corral your PUGs in chat and you'll win 2/3 times.

While I hear what you are saying, you can't say that the idea is bad purely because the player base is small, even if you believe such a change would improve the game.

Because at that point, you are effectively opposing changes which would increase the player base, because the player base is too small... Which is going to eventually just kill the player base and thus the game, in the long run.

[Roadbeer]

Yes, then let us make groups of any size we want.

The LOne Wolves have already done enough damage by QQing until groups were forced to be 4player/max player in size, often leaving a lot of people the "odd man out" who is forced to PUG alone until they get frustrated and log out, eventually, rarely to be seen.

LOne Wolf PUGs are Horribad and they deserve each other for being anti-social and not forming into a group.

Edited by Roadbeer, 16 October 2013 - 02:19 PM.

[Agent 0 Fortune]

Homeless Bill, on 16 October 2013 - 01:32 PM, said:

I vote no. The playerbase isn't large enough and it would take even longer to find matches. I PUG most of the time, and it's just not that big of a deal. Corral your PUGs in chat and you'll win 2/3 times.

If you pug the only effect it would have on you is narrowing the Elo range you drop with, make matches much more competative, better weight balanced and speed up the matchmaker. It is difficult to comprhend why a pug player would not be in favor of a dedicated queue.

The viewpoint you present is that of a pre-made player, and in fact match setup times woudl be much longer without being able to pull in PUG players of wildly diffeirng Elo scores to fill the cracks. I'm not saying this isnt' a valid point of view, it just isn't how you represented yourself.

[Poerisija]

Roadbeer, on 16 October 2013 - 02:17 PM, said:

Yes, then let us make groups of any size we want.

The LOne Wolves have already done enough damage by QQing until groups were forced to be 4player/max player in size, often leaving a lot of people the "odd man out" who is forced to PUG alone until they get frustrated and log out, eventually, rarely to be seen.

LOne Wolf PUGs are Horribad and they deserve each other for being anti-social and not forming into a group.

Are you trolling or is this a serious post?

[Hellcat420]

so when you get your solo que and still get stomped 9 games out of 10 who are you going to blame then since the "evil premades" are out of the equasion.

[Roadbeer]

Poerisija, on 16 October 2013 - 02:21 PM, said:

Are you trolling or is this a serious post?

Those are not mutually exclusive concepts.

[Agent 0 Fortune]

Hellcat420, on 16 October 2013 - 02:22 PM, said:

so when you get your solo que and still get stomped 9 games out of 10 who are you going to blame then since the "evil premades" are out of the equasion.

Lets find out.

[Agent 0 Fortune]

Roadbeer, on 16 October 2013 - 02:17 PM, said:

Yes, then let us make groups of any size we want.

The LOne Wolves have already done enough damage by QQing until groups were forced to be 4player/max player in size, often leaving a lot of people the "odd man out" who is forced to PUG alone until they get frustrated and log out, eventually, rarely to be seen.

LOne Wolf PUGs are Horribad and they deserve each other for being anti-social and not forming into a group.

Poerisija, on 16 October 2013 - 02:21 PM, said:

Are you trolling or is this a serious post?

it is how pre-made players view the importance of group-play, they don't understand how the PUGs can live as they do. The sentiment may seem riduculous to anyone who has intentionally played a pug match, but pre-made players don't know any better, to them PUGs are simply things you use to start a match, they don't realize that PUG players don't need groups, it is groups that need PUG players. (or maybe they do, and that is why they are adamently against having a PUG queue).

[mekabuser]

i voted no. I can understand it being a problem , perhaps in some elo brackets more than others.
From what I see, pugstomping is almost non existent compared to what it was b4.

my advice, if u see abunch of kur or FRR or whatever in a lance, shadow them.
I think all lances should be color coded for this reason.

I love seeing more and more premades. Its good for the game.
THey should be celebrated.

i only pug. /solo.

Edited by mekabuser, 16 October 2013 - 02:32 PM.

[Roland]

Roadbeer, on 16 October 2013 - 02:17 PM, said:

Yes, then let us make groups of any size we want.

EXACTLY THIS.

Currently, we had a few folks come back after not playing for a while... but we didn't have exactly 12 on at once, so... derp.

Give the lone guys a solo queue, and put everyone else into another queue, with no size restrictions.

[Adiuvo]

Hellcat420, on 16 October 2013 - 02:22 PM, said:

so when you get your solo que and still get stomped 9 games out of 10 who are you going to blame then since the "evil premades" are out of the equasion.

The best way to get better is to look at yourself and examine what you could have done better.

'Carry harder' might usually be meant as a joke, but why aren't you carrying harder? You should always carry harder.

[Roadbeer]

Agent 0 Fortune, on 16 October 2013 - 02:30 PM, said:

it is how pre-made players view the importance of group-play, they don't understand how the PUGs can live as they do. The sentiment may seem riduculous to anyone who has intentionally played a pug match, but pre-made players don't know any better, to them PUGs are simply things you use to start a match, they don't realize that PUG players don't need groups, it is groups that need PUG players. (or maybe they do, and that is why they are adamently against having a PUG queue).

Um, I'm a premade player, almost exclusively, and I would love nothing more than a PUG queue, as long as us premades would be allowed to create groups of any size (up to 12) that we wanted.. or even just even numbered groups so smaller groups could fill the holes.

I don't speak for every premade, but my conversations usually run like "Zergherd is going to Mt. Doom, as usual, so we might as well loop around to flank the enemy before they get chewed up". or "PUGshield activated, and is going single file into Theta, oh look, 3 down already, Hold up and dig in at C3, we're going to loose, but at least we can take some with us".

You can have your solo queue.