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[Blo0dGusHeR]

Randalf Yorgen, on 20 October 2013 - 08:00 PM, said:

Hmmm, you think a Sub would give you everything huh, it wouldn't open the pilot trees and you would not have all the mechs sitting in your barn. WOW you still have to GRIND cloth as someone else said to level First aid, Tailoring some Engineering. You have to fish and cook meat you have hunted, Repeating daily quests for faction rep, or achievements, THAT's a grind. Look at the Race car games out there, you have to place in races to make money and it takes a very long time to be able to swap your engine, then suspension, then fuel, then overcharger, then stock noss... but wait once you top out that circuit you then have to buy a new car for the next level up and start the whole process all over again. EVE, you start with a small ship but you have to do missions but then mine the {Scrap} out of every rock in space to make money, yes it's a good economy but have you seen the price on a top end ore hauler? or what it would cost you to try and build one yourself?

Sorry dude, there is no grind, money flows at a good pace, MC, they do have sales if you watch for them, Christmas is coming. You need to play a few sub games and learn what it's all about first before you pop your top in here again.

You think im saying elminate the grind completly, and im not. You think I want something for nothing, and I don't. I'm simply saying that MC needs to come down a tad in price (or the items in game), or/and the cbills won per game is too insignificant.

The demand for skins in CSGO is high, and they are still priced fairly.

[CarNaGe X]

looks like 68% are in favor of turning down MC cost and raising C-bills

[Ecto Cooler]

CarNaGe x, on 21 October 2013 - 04:45 PM, said:

looks like 68% are in favor of turning down MC cost and raising C-bills

It's a loaded question. Who wouldn't want to get more for less?

[Tier up]

$30 for one mech is kind of ridiculous. Remember when you could pay $50 for a whole game? One that was polished and complete?

[tvaughanx]

Ohm, on 21 October 2013 - 05:48 PM, said:

$30 for one mech is kind of ridiculous. Remember when you could pay $50 for a whole game? One that was polished and complete?

+1

[Blo0dGusHeR]

Ohm, on 21 October 2013 - 05:48 PM, said:

$30 for one mech is kind of ridiculous. Remember when you could pay $50 for a whole game? One that was polished and complete?

+9000

[Ecto Cooler]

Ohm, on 21 October 2013 - 05:48 PM, said:

$30 for one mech is kind of ridiculous. Remember when you could pay $50 for a whole game? One that was polished and complete?

There are plenty of examples of AAA titles that are $60 and more with DLC that are unpolished, incomplete and terrible games. Remember renting a crummy Nintendo game and ruining your weekend? I can't count the amount of AAA titles I've purchased for full retail price and have beaten and never played again in a matter of hours.

You can get a good amount of content for $60 in MW:O if you want. Otherwise, you can play completely for free if you don't want to pay for that advantage. Look at how cheap the Phoenix package was in comparison to the individual mech prices. People who are complaining about value and pricing should at least have taken advantage of that bundle.

Edited by Ecto Cooler, 21 October 2013 - 07:11 PM.

[Tier up]

Thats cool... Because i have spent $60 on this game, and while i may not want to throw it away, I'm still disappointed in what I got.

Ecto you can try and argue that the pricing is valid... But the community says otherwise. That makes you wrong

GG

[Sandpit]

Ohm, on 21 October 2013 - 05:48 PM, said:

$30 for one mech is kind of ridiculous. Remember when you could pay $50 for a whole game? One that was polished and complete?

And THAT'S the true culprit. It's not the cost of MC. Even the colors aren't completely outrageous. Buying ANY mech (even non-heroes) is ridiculous when it comes to pricing. Colors and camos are high but nowhere near as bad as mechs

[Calamus]

These are pretty loaded questions. Given the choice I will always want more c-bills per match, and would always want cheaper mc... durr.

[Ecto Cooler]

Ohm, on 21 October 2013 - 07:25 PM, said:

Ecto you can try and argue that the pricing is valid... But the community says otherwise. That makes you wrong

Define what valid means in terms of pricing. Subjective opinions aren't something that you can prove wrong either.

There are plenty of people who have purchased the content you're complaining about at the current prices. What does that mean?

[Sandpit]

Ecto Cooler, on 21 October 2013 - 07:07 PM, said:

There are plenty of examples of AAA titles that are $60 and more with DLC that are unpolished, incomplete and terrible games. Remember renting a crummy Nintendo game and ruining your weekend? I can't count the amount of AAA titles I've purchased for full retail price and have beaten and never played again in a matter of hours.

You can get a good amount of content for $60 in MW:O if you want. Otherwise, you can play completely for free if you don't want to pay for that advantage. Look at how cheap the Phoenix package was in comparison to the individual mech prices. People who are complaining about value and pricing should at least have taken advantage of that bundle.

Using the comparison of a crappy game isn't the best idea. You can try to justify it if you want but the majority of the community disagrees with you. You are entitled to your opinion but that doesn't make anyone else's any less valid as the entire subject is subjective. $30+ for a single mech is a bit much. $5-10 for a standard mech and $10-15 is still on the high side but is at least somewhat reasonable.

This is part of their entire marketing strategy though. They keep the prices high and then when they have a sale people rush in and swoop it up. OR when they come up with something like the phoenix pack it's VERY hard to pass up when you get reasonably priced mechs in the package but still pay a larger chunk of money outright. The colors and camos are EXTREMELY high for what you get. A simple color change shouldn't be running more than a buck or two camos 3-4. I mean 500 MC for one color??
Colors permanent = 100
One time use = 50

750 for a camo???
Permanent camo = 300
One time use = 100

Cockpit items 500-750???
1-200

Atlas7K = 5480??? (not even a hero mech)
try 2-3000
Scale other mech prices appropriately with nothing under 1k being adjusted.


Boar's Head runs 7500 MC which is over $30....

You can argue all you want but your hardcore TT gamers (of which I'm a longtime TT player) who love the IP are only going to carry you so far. PGI has done nothing but talk about catering to a new demographic and changing development ideas to make sure they enjoy the game. Your casual player who doesn't have years and decades invested into this IP and game history are NOT going to pay $30 for a mech. They just won't.

Just for example as many of the players they seem to want to draw in are more the console crowd and FPS gamers. Black OPs 2 was $60 plus a season pass to all 4 DLC packs was another $60 for $120 total. You can buy 4-5 mechs (because they don't even include mech bays when you purchase them with MC) That measn you get a few mechs and nothing else. You can purchase a single mech for what 2 DLC packs would run in BO2. (actually it's more than what you would pay for those if you buy a boar's head and the bay to go with it and if you want to color it up).

If you can't see the difference in what you're getting for the same amount of money then uhm ok. Yes I understand they need to make money (I think it's obvious I support them when I see something reasonably priced) but they have NO idea how to work the micro transaction market which is where most of their casual gamers are going to look to spend money.

You can argue against everything I just said all you want but just because it's an ok value to you doesn't mean it will be to the majority of customers. Of course they're not hurting for income, YET. They are riding high on PP sales and the hardcore players at the moment. I'm sure they will have more packs as they need fresh influxes of cash but there are only so many mechs out there before it becomes over saturated. Those colors, camos, cockpit items, medallions, etc. are going to be what sustains and maintains long-term viability.

[tvaughanx]

Ecto Cooler, on 21 October 2013 - 07:38 PM, said:

Define what valid means in terms of pricing. Subjective opinions aren't something that you can prove wrong either.

There are plenty of people who have purchased the content you're complaining about at the current prices. What does that mean?

stop trolling you have 44 post an their all you arguing with the majority of people the prices are to high and the grind is too long period.

[Randalf Yorgen]

Ecto Cooler, on 21 October 2013 - 07:38 PM, said:

Define what valid means in terms of pricing. Subjective opinions aren't something that you can prove wrong either.

There are plenty of people who have purchased the content you're complaining about at the current prices. What does that mean?

It means that he feels the standard mechs aren't good enough, nor are the default camo patterns and colors but he doesn't want to pay to get a Champion Mech or change his colors, even though you can open a single color fairly cheaply for your entire account, even two or three of them and have a standard custom color scheme for all his mechs. It means he is wanting the FREE in the free to play title but doesn't understand exactly what that means.

Also, once again, there is no grind, there is playing the game, and nothing else. No hunting and skinning to level your skill, no making bandages to level your First aid. No rep grind (yet).

Now, you are calling him a troll because he has 44 posts and has only been a member since September this year and that his opinion is different than yours and that he is making a valid point. Hmm, is it really him who is being the troll or is it you who are being a QQ Queen and are throwing a fit when ever someone doesn't agree with what you say or post here. I know, lets just go reread this entire thread and see who is telling people to go away and stop posting in this thread the most when people say something that they don't like.

And the winner is...... (I'll give you a hint, it sounds like Tvaughanx and his 83 posts, 83 posts, he must be a troll)

[Dreamslave]

MC has been too expensive since day one over a year ago. The fact that PGI still hasn't knocked down the pricing speaks volumes about how out of tune they are with their own playerbase.

[Burke IV]

I dont know if this has already been mentioned but you cant now lower the prices without it being a big slap in teh face for the poor fools who payed the higher price. The prices should have never been so high in the first place, some of the MC mech prices are just rediculous. The whole F2P thing is starting to attract attention, maybe not just yet but there might just be sometihng of a crackdown, at least in some countrys. The whole selling pixels for money thing is really dodgy in my mind at least, people might say they are supporting the game but really they are nothing more than consumers (if you want to support a game then buy shares in the company making it)

Dont get me wrong i want MWO to stay around, but somebody misjudged something. The pricing combined with the wording of some of the announcements could really give somebody the wrong impression about PGI

[Dreamslave]

Ecto Cooler, on 21 October 2013 - 05:37 PM, said:

It's a loaded question. Who wouldn't want to get more for less?

It's not loaded at all. prices have been to high for over a year. This exact poll has been done over a dozen times and each time people have voted to lower MC costs.

[Sandpit]

Dreamslave, on 22 October 2013 - 08:31 AM, said:

MC has been too expensive since day one over a year ago. The fact that PGI still hasn't knocked down the pricing speaks volumes about how out of tune they are with their own playerbase.

Here is where you're wrong though unfortunately. If they weren't making money they would have dropped the prices. Nobody is going to keep a pricing level that prevents them form making a profit. They ARE making profit otherwise they would have reduced the prices. The only way to get them to drop those prices is to speak with your wallet.

[Burke IV]

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[vondano]

honestly, if mechs cost 3$ to 5$, id be shelling 20$ /months into this game...

now, i paid once to encourage them, i keep cheking the mc page and I wanna buy some, but they are WAY too expensive..

just my 2c