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[Roadbeer]

Blo0dGusHeR, on 20 October 2013 - 10:12 AM, said:

(looks at the polls)

(And notices that next to none of them have the courage to defend their position)

[MnDragon]

Blo0dGusHeR, on 20 October 2013 - 09:47 AM, said:

That's great but the time you have spent to purchase all of those mechs shouldn't have been as long as it was. Do you have a life?

Actually, I do have a life. If you bothered to read my post you will notice I have a wife. I also have 3 kids that I play with (two are in MechWarrior bootcamp). I have a full time job that I have spent the last 20 years at, a lot of which was spent in foreign countries dealing with malcontents such as yourself. I have several friends that go with me on long motorcycle rides, I have my sister and her nieces that I spend time with, and I still have time to dedicate about 2-3 hours a night (after the kiddos go to bed) to this game. And I was able to handily purchase 11 mechs with all upgrades and all the goodies I wanted on them, for nothing more than Cbills. NOW, I understand that you are only 13, and mommy won't give you the credit card to purchase MC, and that's fine. But if you don't like the game, and have nothing constructive to say like "the reason that we need to increase Cbills is because..." and cite several reasons why other than stomp your feet and cry, then keep it to yourself, and go troll some other game's forum. [/rant]

[Blo0dGusHeR]

Hexenhammer, on 20 October 2013 - 10:14 AM, said:

Going to? Have to? A person can Trial Mechs and never buy a single mech in this game.

Realistically speaking, yes.

MnDragon, on 20 October 2013 - 10:17 AM, said:

Actually, I do have a life. If you bothered to read my post you will notice I have a wife. I also have 3 kids that I play with (two are in MechWarrior bootcamp). I have a full time job that I have spent the last 20 years at, a lot of which was spent in foreign countries dealing with malcontents such as yourself. I have several friends that go with me on long motorcycle rides, I have my sister and her nieces that I spend time with, and I still have time to dedicate about 2-3 hours a night (after the kiddos go to bed) to this game. And I was able to handily purchase 11 mechs with all upgrades and all the goodies I wanted on them, for nothing more than Cbills. NOW, I understand that you are only 13, and mommy won't give you the credit card to purchase MC, and that's fine. But if you don't like the game, and have nothing constructive to say like "the reason that we need to increase Cbills is because..." and cite several reasons why other than stomp your feet and cry, then keep it to yourself, and go troll some other game's forum. [/rant]

Cool story bro

Roadbeer, on 20 October 2013 - 10:15 AM, said:

(And notices that next to none of them have the courage to defend their position)

They don't have to defend it, that's why I'm here. They also don't have to defend it, because its right. No matter what, the prices for MC are overpriced, the cbills per-game are to petty.

[Destructicus]

Ecto Cooler, on 19 October 2013 - 12:44 PM, said:

How much would you earn with a Premium Account and Mech bonus?

More, but since the cbill nerf it's been negligible

[Warge]

MnDragon, on 20 October 2013 - 10:17 AM, said:

I have several friends that go with me on long motorcycle rides,

What's your moto for long rides?

[Roadbeer]

MnDragon, on 20 October 2013 - 10:17 AM, said:

NOW, I understand that you are only 13, and mommy won't give you the credit card to purchase MC, and that's fine. But if you don't like the game, and have nothing constructive to say like "the reason that we need to increase Cbills is because..." and cite several reasons why other than stomp your feet and cry, then keep it to yourself, and go troll some other game's forum. [/rant]

QFT

[Blo0dGusHeR]

I guess I'll remind you guys again.... that I have extra money to pay for whatever I want in Mechwarrior. I just made this topic because the MC seems overpriced, and the cbills per match are insignificant. Go ahead, keep on attacking me though

[Bront]

I don't think MC is too expensive as much as some things cost too much MC. Hero mechs are atrocious in cost, thinks like color paints are more expensive than they need to be.

CBill earnings could be better, though I understand a bit of why they have it so low. Hopefully CW might help make up a bit more of it with added goals/benefits.

[Primez]

MnDragon, on 20 October 2013 - 10:17 AM, said:

Actually, I do have a life. If you bothered to read my post you will notice I have a wife. I also have 3 kids that I play with (two are in MechWarrior bootcamp). I have a full time job that I have spent the last 20 years at, a lot of which was spent in foreign countries dealing with malcontents such as yourself. I have several friends that go with me on long motorcycle rides, I have my sister and her nieces that I spend time with, and I still have time to dedicate about 2-3 hours a night (after the kiddos go to bed) to this game. And I was able to handily purchase 11 mechs with all upgrades and all the goodies I wanted on them, for nothing more than Cbills. NOW, I understand that you are only 13, and mommy won't give you the credit card to purchase MC, and that's fine. But if you don't like the game, and have nothing constructive to say like "the reason that we need to increase Cbills is because..." and cite several reasons why other than stomp your feet and cry, then keep it to yourself, and go troll some other game's forum. [/rant]

You do realize when you started playing this game you had increased cbill earnings. Using yourself as an example that you were able to purchase more mechs while there was higher cbill earnings doesn't help your case friend.

[Blo0dGusHeR]

Those first couple games are so nice! Then the reality of how much you make per game hits you.

[Thunder Lips Express]

hrmmm, look at op's siggy, microsoft did it better. do you remember mechassault 1,2? mechwarrior 4? granted mechwarrior 4 was fun but there is no comparison

[Blo0dGusHeR]

Ecliptor, on 20 October 2013 - 02:02 PM, said:

hrmmm, look at op's siggy, microsoft did it better. do you remember mechassault 1,2? mechwarrior 4? granted mechwarrior 4 was fun but there is no comparison

I've been playing since mw3, so yes I remember. Those were console games, and can't even be compared

Lots of trollololozlzolzzol coming out of you - but nothing relevant

[Julian Tifflor]

Well it sure is nice that some people are able to rake in CBs a lot in one hour...

some cant...for different reasons.

Just an example for my own situation with a friend i am playing with:

His job earns him good money...more that i do earn and i dont mind it at all...so one problem here is...he buys a lot of mechs, is a founder, has hero mechs and a lot of equip to change and try out.

Ofc i could afford a hero...but i have fallen for one product already i spent money on and in the end was gunned down with the game closing. So at least i want to wait till CW hits before i think about buying something besides mechbays or the marauder my favorite mech.

So my own 1h gameplay...with the 5 mechs i own so far (with the awesome 9M rotting away thanks to ghostheat and risen heat for ER PPC and his awful hitboxes):

Hmm which one do i play? Raven? Rifleman? Cataphract? Atlas? Well not that many to make it a hard choice...mostly if he choses a fast mech i go with Raven or Rifleman...other 2 are 48.6kmh...

My friend...above 25 mechs...especially now with phoenix has to XP them...requip them...try them out etc.
so for each new game her refits them with a different setup besides chosing a mech which can take like 5min or longer.
he activated premium time, has hero mechs with the bonus so his income is nice while i sit on my normal expected income.

i dont mind to wait for him cause he is trying out things...wish i could...all i have i had to spend on the mechs and make them work good. the usual...oh wait buy double heatsinks...why do mechs even have single heatsinks when you buy them?
dang...wrong XL engine...sell it to get the proper one faster...why cant i upgrade the engine while buying a mech instead of selling and rebuying a more expensive one?

Ok well we go into the match...another 1min wait time since one always doesnt press the ready or cant press it cause it bugged out. ok its not that hard to wait another minute...so thats fine with me...for now!

we get roflstomped...32-36k income for me...i did good but still lost around 50-76k
we won...didnt do very good 79k...i did good...90k...wow survivor kills, nice loot etc can be 100-130k

well it fluctuates but sometimes you even have a loosing streak...no matter how good you and my friend perform we cant win a game with just us 2 and if the team fails hard or we have 6 lights while the others only have 2-3 you sometimes cant do much.

so i end up often with gaining 1.000.000 CBs in like 3-4h gameplay. if i would only play one hour i would barely hit 250k...is this really ok? besides that my friend gains more on the night cause of his sub and hero mech bonus i still dont think this is fine as it is and feels too slow in progression.

if i remember right i started a few weeks before the stats on profile began to start counting...i couldnt play much at the start since my pc was too weak till some patch made it playable. since then i play a lot...then take abreak cause i get bored of the grind but i always come back to fight some rounds.

Accumulative C-Bills Per Match 89,225.00

so i am not a beginner...and thats all the average i get so far. 5 mechs which one useless one as most of you would agree. the awesome was a fun mech even with his weaknesses...now its just junk in the mechbay.
4 mechs after a long time...mastering mechs? wtf hell no...i want to have different mechs and not playing 3 of the same kind...especially if i have to grind that much to buy just one more mech...then requip it to make it actually a good mech.
well some are close to be good or are playable from the start...but DHS are a must to buy...always...shame on you pgi.

and buying a new XL...god often costs near the same as the mech itself.

for a game...where i am not sure where its heading...and with many broken promises i cant bring myself to buy something...especially with this high prices. virtual goods are just of no lasting value...unlike in rl you cant sell them and get some of the money back. sure its a hobby and if its fun why dont spend some on it...but only if its reasonable. for some with a higher income this might be ok...but for some that has to watch what he spends his money on...pgi´s prices are out of question for me and besides mechbays i wont buy anything for now.

but anyone is free to make her(his own choices about it. for me its a bit too much...and the income of CBs too low making me feel like grinding even if i do enjoy the matchs even with the bugs or imbalances of weapons, balancing in general or the matchmaking.

i love BT and i think thats the only thing keeping me here and not the game itself which could become great...but my hope for it is dwindling down faster with each passing month.

oh well sorry for the long past...doubt many will read it anyway^^

Edited by Julian Tifflor, 20 October 2013 - 05:10 PM.

[Thunder Lips Express]

Blo0dGusHeR, on 20 October 2013 - 03:56 PM, said:

I've been playing since mw3, so yes I remember. Those were console games, and can't even be compared

Lots of trollololozlzolzzol coming out of you - but nothing relevant

4 was not console.... And simply because I don't agree with you does not make what I say any less irrelevant, if anything your whiney thread is irrelevant since it doesn't matter how loud you cry you won't change the game

[Blo0dGusHeR]

Julian Tifflor, on 20 October 2013 - 05:09 PM, said:

Well it sure is nice that some people are able to rake in CBs a lot in one hour...

some cant...for different reasons....
etc

Well said, even if its a long post.

Ecliptor, on 20 October 2013 - 05:38 PM, said:

4 was not console.... And simply because I don't agree with you does not make what I say any less irrelevant, if anything your whiney thread is irrelevant since it doesn't matter how loud you cry you won't change the game

Assault was console, that's what I was referring too. MW3, MW4V, MW4BK, MW4M were all GREAT games. MW2 Commander even lol

Edited by Blo0dGusHeR, 20 October 2013 - 05:43 PM.

[Caladus]

You do have to find your niche in order to maximize your cbill income. In my BJ-1X I can make 100-150K a match consistently. Barring the one or two crappy matches.

So it still takes 50 matches to get enough cbills to even think of buying a mech. Much less refit it.

Too much. That there is grinding PGI.

And no, I'm still not paying to make it go faster.

[Whatzituyah]

I think this should help explain things why this is happening with the prices of MC but I do want c-bill income to go up!

Edited by Whatzituyah, 20 October 2013 - 08:00 PM.

[Randalf Yorgen]

Blo0dGusHeR, on 20 October 2013 - 09:47 AM, said:

That's great but the time you have spent to purchase all of those mechs shouldn't have been as long as it was. Do you have a life?



Yes charge me a monthly fee for all of the content instead of trying to squeeze every last dime out of my pocket.

Hmmm, you think a Sub would give you everything huh, it wouldn't open the pilot trees and you would not have all the mechs sitting in your barn. WOW you still have to GRIND cloth as someone else said to level First aid, Tailoring some Engineering. You have to fish and cook meat you have hunted, Repeating daily quests for faction rep, or achievements, THAT's a grind. Look at the Race car games out there, you have to place in races to make money and it takes a very long time to be able to swap your engine, then suspension, then fuel, then overcharger, then stock noss... but wait once you top out that circuit you then have to buy a new car for the next level up and start the whole process all over again. EVE, you start with a small ship but you have to do missions but then mine the {Scrap} out of every rock in space to make money, yes it's a good economy but have you seen the price on a top end ore hauler? or what it would cost you to try and build one yourself?

Sorry dude, there is no grind, money flows at a good pace, MC, they do have sales if you watch for them, Christmas is coming. You need to play a few sub games and learn what it's all about first before you pop your top in here again.

[Whatzituyah]

Randalf Yorgen, on 20 October 2013 - 08:00 PM, said:

Hmmm, you think a Sub would give you everything huh, it wouldn't open the pilot trees and you would not have all the mechs sitting in your barn. WOW you still have to GRIND cloth as someone else said to level First aid, Tailoring some Engineering. You have to fish and cook meat you have hunted, Repeating daily quests for faction rep, or achievements, THAT's a grind. Look at the Race car games out there, you have to place in races to make money and it takes a very long time to be able to swap your engine, then suspension, then fuel, then overcharger, then stock noss... but wait once you top out that circuit you then have to buy a new car for the next level up and start the whole process all over again. EVE, you start with a small ship but you have to do missions but then mine the {Scrap} out of every rock in space to make money, yes it's a good economy but have you seen the price on a top end ore hauler? or what it would cost you to try and build one yourself?

Sorry dude, there is no grind, money flows at a good pace, MC, they do have sales if you watch for them, Christmas is coming. You need to play a few sub games and learn what it's all about first before you pop your top in here again.

I suggested this earlier who says they can't co-exist f2p with p2p like say when you pay for a subscription its like you have premium time and you grind a little tiny bit of MC along with it.

[Sandpit]

this "discussion" has been well documented. The problem with either side of this argument is that it's purely subjective. One person considers the pricing ok, another considers it outrageous. The only way you're going to get the pricing model changed I if money starts slowing down for PGI. If you think they're too high don't spend money on it and that's going to be the most powerful tool you have to affect change. I don't have a problem with the MC pricing at all. The only thing I feel is outrageous are the prices for mechs when bought with MC, especially hero mechs. If you look at the cost of items purchased in a bundle (such as the phoenix bundles) they are much more reasonable. The problem is you have to spend a good chunk to get it all. Alternatively you can purchase the cheaper package one month, then upgrade the next, then upgrade again later. This makes the cost much more manageable and effective. From a marketing standpoint it's actually a really good model. They keep prices high and when a bundle like this is offered, many jump on it because it's "too good of a deal" to pass up