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[Blo0dGusHeR]

Randalf Yorgen, on 19 October 2013 - 05:53 PM, said:

I notice that it was my reply that started this, I also notice that my reply was actually the first to challenge the OP's position and since then he's been frothing at the mouth saying basically that NO ONES OPINION IS VALID BUT MINE.... IF YOU DON"T AGREE WITH ME YOU ARE A TERD, well not those words exactly but it's the underlying tone.

Bloodgusher, this is a FREE TO PLAY GAME, they make money through MICRO TRANSACTIONS and the cost of running their business (paying staff, server hosting, IGP support, CryEngine 3 licencing, Advertising, place of business rental, insurance etc etc) VS INCOME which is set by volume of MICRO TRANSACTIONS is what sets the cost of MC. If more people bought into the game and they had a higher VOLUME OF MICRO TRANSACTIONS then they could lower the cost of MC. However with an average of about 60% of the people who play the game NOT SPENDING A DIME AND BASICALLY BEING... what was the word... oh ya, CONTENT the prices are not likely to come down any time soon. Perhaps you could try to be part of the solution instead of someone who tries to stir the crowd into a frenzy in order to get their own way, you would get your own way.

That's basic economics, with a touch of psychology and a dash of reality in this post. Is that intelligent enough for you?

Nice emphasis on all of the capitalized words.

This is a free to play game, you're right. You could actually just play for free, but realistically speaking you have got to spend money. They make enough money, and then some. They would have more transactions and gain more members of the community if they lowered the prices. Where are your statistics at? I'm pretty sure there are a higher percentage of paying players than non-paying players.

You should probably go back to class and ask your economics professor to retake the course. There's also something called business ethics, ask him about that while you're at it.

[Caladus]

I haven't paid a dime. But I'm not invested enough. I play a lot for sure but until I find a compelling reason for myself to spend money on this game I'll just keep on keepin' on. Christmas is coming up for god's sake I need to save money for gifts. Not to mention the Steam Winter Sale.

[Ecto Cooler]

Blo0dGusHeR, on 19 October 2013 - 07:07 PM, said:

They make enough money, and then some. They would have more transactions and gain more members of the community if they lowered the prices. Where are your statistics at?

Where are your statistics at? You have zero idea as to how profitable or not they are as a company, or how much of what is sold on a regular basis. You have no idea what you're talking about.

You just don't like the prices and are coming up with excuses to justify yourself. You want the game to fit your budget perfectly, so you can get what you want as quickly and cheaply as possible. Then you mock people who spend more money than you're comfortable spending on a game, only because you're clearly jealous.

You're just a selfish, self-entitled, and jealous child. I'm done arguing with you, too busy actually having fun with the game.

[Vaniyz]

C-bill gain is fine. It was nice back when it was higher, and the idea presently right now is for you to pay money for direct MC purchases or premium time. As it will always be. Same reason we can't just buy empty chassis so that variant with an XL engine we're going to throw out as soon as we get it, thus cutting out a huge chunk of the expense. If you don't want to pay, there's a huge time sink.

However, MC prices are absurd. Unless this game gets to where I have no complaints about balance and mechanics, I would be very unlikely to ever pay another cent. Even at the best MC/$ ratio, most of the hero mechs I'd even consider getting are easily twice as expensive as is at all reasonable, particularly with them being MC-only. Paint colors and camo, too, are obnoxious. I'm glad they added the single-use camo option to their credit, but something more like getting a color per dollar, or a set of three for $5 as options seems better. Instead of $2-$5.50 depending on your MC purchase size and normal/premium colors. That falls out of the whole free-to-play micro transactions idea and into decent-sized purchases. I know I would have a whole lot more spent in that department if it was just "Ooh, that's a buck or two. That's not terrible needing three new colors for this mech!"

[Primez]

Ecto Cooler, on 19 October 2013 - 06:37 PM, said:

All I hear is people saying, I want something but I don't want to pay the listed price so instead I'll just complain. Imagine standing in a store complaining over the price instead of just leaving and going to another store.

That analogy is terrible, there is no other store in town. If there was another f2p mechwarrior franchise similar to this they hell yea but there isn't. So if you stuck with one company that has a monopoly (mechwarrior franchise) all you can do is complain.

Edit: On a side note, is it still possible to buy ecto cooler? That **** was so good as a kid.

Edited by Primez, 19 October 2013 - 09:56 PM.

[Ecto Cooler]

Primez, on 19 October 2013 - 09:45 PM, said:

That analogy is terrible, there is no other store in town. If there was another f2p mechwarrior franchise similar to this they hell yea but there isn't. So if you stuck with one company that has a monopoly (mechwarrior franchise) all you can do is complain.

Edit: On a side note, is it still possible to buy ecto cooler? That **** was so good as a kid.

The MechWarrior license itself probably wasn't particularly cheap either, which would also explain higher prices.

There is another F2P fighting robot game that's cheaper too. I didn't say you would like shopping at the Dollar Store, but it's hardly a monopoly.

[Roadbeer]

Blo0dGusHeR, on 19 October 2013 - 07:07 PM, said:

They make enough money, and then some.

http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__2137876

[Blo0dGusHeR]

Ecto Cooler, on 19 October 2013 - 08:55 PM, said:

Where are your statistics at? You have zero idea as to how profitable or not they are as a company, or how much of what is sold on a regular basis. You have no idea what you're talking about.

You just don't like the prices and are coming up with excuses to justify yourself. You want the game to fit your budget perfectly, so you can get what you want as quickly and cheaply as possible. Then you mock people who spend more money than you're comfortable spending on a game, only because you're clearly jealous.

You're just a selfish, self-entitled, and jealous child. I'm done arguing with you, too busy actually having fun with the game.

You have zero idea as to how profitable or not they are as a company, or how much of what is sold on a regular basis. The prices are absurd.

Again, all you do is attack me with petty remarks. "Ego Battles" aren't why I'm here, take your immaturity elsewhere.

[Blo0dGusHeR]

Roadbeer, on 20 October 2013 - 05:02 AM, said:

http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__2137876

Oh, thanks for business lesson! I've already been through college though.

With that being said, the price of MC needs to come down - OR - the cbills won needs to go up per game.

[Roadbeer]

Blo0dGusHeR, on 20 October 2013 - 05:28 AM, said:

Oh, thanks for business lesson! I've already been through college though.

With that being said, the price of MC needs to come down - OR - the cbills won needs to go up per game.

Really? Did they stop teaching critical thinking in college?

[Blo0dGusHeR]

Roadbeer, on 20 October 2013 - 05:33 AM, said:

Really? Did they stop teaching critical thinking in college?

Good one ! hahaha You seem a little tense man, maybe you should step away from the computer.... lololololol

[Hexenhammer]

Blo0dGusHeR, on 19 October 2013 - 01:13 PM, said:

More? However the Premium account, founders mechs, etc. are all just an added modules to the game to get more MC out of everyone. Why is it that all of you people are okay with paying what you pay to get what you want out of this game???

I know some people that have easily paid over 500$ that's absolutely RIDICULOUS! You should be embarrassed you paid that much money! Then the cbills take so long to accumulate unless you drop even more money into the game? Come on! People have simply walked away from this games based on that alone.

I agree. How dare you people have a job that pays well enough that you can spend money on this game. Damnit don't you realize this is America! You get welfare from the government. You get health care from the government. You get your freedom from the government. You money grubbing capitalist scum suckers should stop giving this game money! It teach them a lesson! It'll put them in their place and I can get my stuff for free because that's the American way! Free free free! You can't have freedom if everything isnt free!

[Blo0dGusHeR]

Hexenhammer, on 20 October 2013 - 05:38 AM, said:

I agree. How dare you people have a job that pays well enough that you can spend money on this game. Damnit don't you realize this is America! You get welfare from the government. You get health care from the government. You get your freedom from the government. You money grubbing capitalist scum suckers should stop giving this game money! It teach them a lesson! It'll put them in their place and I can get my stuff for free because that's the American way! Free free free! You can't have freedom if everything isnt free!

Even if you have a good job (which I do). I'm not saying free I'm saying reduced. It's not only Americans that play this game btw.

[Roadbeer]

Blo0dGusHeR, on 20 October 2013 - 05:38 AM, said:

Good one ! hahaha You seem a little tense man, maybe you should step away from the computer.... lololololol

Thanks, but I'm fine. Enjoying my morning coffee while mocking you.

Blo0dGusHeR, on 20 October 2013 - 05:41 AM, said:

It's not only Americans that play this game btw.

Which, since our economy has tanked because of us providing all the "free" stuff listed above, their local currency is up against the dollar, so MC must be a great deal for them. Think MC prices are too high, tell it to the ballot box.

Edited by Roadbeer, 20 October 2013 - 05:50 AM.

[Blo0dGusHeR]

Roadbeer, on 20 October 2013 - 05:50 AM, said:

Thanks, but I'm fine. Enjoying my morning coffee while mocking you.



Which, since our economy has tanked because of us providing all the "free" stuff listed above, their local currency is up against the dollar, so MC must be a great deal for them. Think MC prices are too high, tell it to the ballot box.

Even if I lived in another country with a different currency I would still see this as a overpriced a tad. They are trying to squeeze every last dollar, pound, euro, out of everyone.

I do think MC is overpriced, and I think people like you that are okay with it are ignorant. PGI knows that you're ignorant too.

Edited by Blo0dGusHeR, 20 October 2013 - 06:10 AM.

[Crohnic]

Roadbeer, on 20 October 2013 - 05:02 AM, said:

http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__2137876

Thank you Roadbeer. I rarely see anyone accounting for the cost of running the server being factored in the cost of MC. Battlefield clans pay for that right out of their pocket on top of the game purchase price. Most pugs just pile in and freeload on the backs of FPS clans. Nothing wrong with that as long as they are honest about the fact that someone else is paying for them to play.

I am not prepared to second guess PGI's business model as they have access to a wealth of data, while many forum users just express their uninformed opinion on such topics as the proper cost of MC, the complex world of game coding, or running a business in general.

That doesn't mean PGI hasn't made mistakes, but I work in a fairly successful manufacturing facility and we've made a lot of mistakes along the way. You learn from them and move on, that's part of doing business.

Edited by Crohnic, 20 October 2013 - 09:49 AM.

[Roadbeer]

Blo0dGusHeR, on 20 October 2013 - 06:07 AM, said:

I do think MC is overpriced, and I think people like you that are okay with it are ignorant. PGI knows that you're ignorant too.

Nope.

It's called "Disposable Income". I have it to spend, so it doesn't bother me.
I also buy name brand soft drinks and not the "off brand" stuff, Micro beer instead of budget brand, and I buy my meat from the rack and not the bin.

If you don't have it, don't spend it. But if you don't spend it, then you don't have a leg to stand on judging those of us that do. Every person who disagrees with you has a forum tag showing that they've bought in to the game. Those of us who have spent money are telling you that the prices are fine.

[Blo0dGusHeR]

Roadbeer, on 20 October 2013 - 06:23 AM, said:

Nope.

It's called "Disposable Income". I have it to spend, so it doesn't bother me.
I also buy name brand soft drinks and not the "off brand" stuff, Micro beer instead of budget brand, and I buy my meat from the rack and not the bin.

If you don't have it, don't spend it. But if you don't spend it, then you don't have a leg to stand on judging those of us that do. Every person who disagrees with you has a forum tag showing that they've bought in to the game. Those of us who have spent money are telling you that the prices are fine.

Wow you're such a b.a.. Do you drive a lambo too?? Seriously though thanks for defining disposable income to me. I really needed that.

I have money. I just don't agree with the prices at all, and that's why I'm making this topic.

Edited by Blo0dGusHeR, 20 October 2013 - 06:36 AM.

[IC Rafe]

Roadbeer, on 20 October 2013 - 06:23 AM, said:

If you don't have it, don't spend it. But if you don't spend it, then you don't have a leg to stand on judging those of us that do. Every person who disagrees with you has a forum tag showing that they've bought in to the game. Those of us who have spent money are telling you that the prices are fine.

Excuse me but i've seen plenty with a founder/overlord badge who also say they find the prices steep (both a few in this topic as in other topics). Overlord and founder where good priced packages though, but the rest, not really in my opinion.

Now can we stop the personal assaults from both ways and actually discuss the issue being presented or is that too much too ask?

[Roadbeer]

IC Rafe, on 20 October 2013 - 07:11 AM, said:

Now can we stop the personal assaults from both ways and actually discuss the issue being presented or is that too much too ask?

This,

Blo0dGusHeR, on 19 October 2013 - 12:27 PM, said:

Lower the cost of MC, or increase the amount of C-bills you get per match.

If you want the community to continue to grow stop trying to squeeze every penny out of them!

100,000 per win at 8 minutes a game is 7 games an hour
is 700,000

You see the problem with this is that some people only have about an hour to play. It will take 10 hours of play to get just 7 million ... Sometimes you don't even win and are subject to even less amount of c-bills.

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Ecto Cooler, on 19 October 2013 - 12:44 PM, said:

How much would you earn with a Premium Account and Mech bonus?

and returns this...

Blo0dGusHeR, on 19 October 2013 - 01:13 PM, said:

I know some people that have easily paid over 500$ that's absolutely RIDICULOUS! You should be embarrassed you paid that much money!

Doesn't seem very likely that's going to happen.
This isn't a discussion, it's a QQ rant and will be treated accordingly.